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Sweden11 Posts
Idra beat Nony easily straight-up in the seed match, he can go siege expand and still be comfortable, provided he defends against dt's or other super cheesy things. Yet he prepares this super risky greedy build (and TWICE!) when I don't even think he needed that advantage. Why why why use this build for TWO games when the biggest risk for Idra was Nony cheesing, not Nony outmacroing him and such? The truth can be hard to see sometimes because it's so dark. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On February 15 2010 08:37 JohnColtrane wrote: omg idra cheesed into oblivion >.< A better question is when will IdrA stop dodging cheese play and learn to play against it? | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On February 15 2010 08:37 JohnColtrane wrote: omg idra cheesed into oblivion >.< he pretty much provoked cheese | ||
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PiePie
United States248 Posts
On February 15 2010 08:38 Integra wrote: A better question is when will he start dodging cheese play and learn to play against it? he didnt even ask a question...LOL | ||
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Sight
United States148 Posts
On February 15 2010 08:31 Glaucus wrote: No. Learn to read or try harder. Liars should be banned for sure. Learn to bm. No. I said finals is going to be disappointed because all the really skilled players are gone. Ret and Idra are really skilled, excluding Rets ZvZ. Mondragon and Nony are 'just' skilled. You disgrace this tournament and all the players in it with your dishonestly. Ban this guy please. Dude, you don't know what your talking about. Your post demonstrated blatant ignorance. You either rageposted or are ignorant. edit: Are you serious? Nony and Mondragon are just skilled, and you we're talking about "really" skilled players? It sounded far more like you were saying the only people with real skill are gone. Seriously stfu. | ||
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blipster8
United States71 Posts
Second note: as someone else said above, if Idra thought he was far superior in a long macro game, he wouldn't have gone CC before gas in 40% of the games this series. Presumably Idra, like basically everyone else, thought he was at least somewhat stronger than Nony in a long game, but evidently not by very much (or else he'd have played safe and been willing to take a small early-game deficit just to make it to the late game). So to people acting like Nony somehow cheated us out of longer games: Nony went for cheesy stuff in games 1, 3, 4, while Idra did in games 1, 2, 5. This was a very close and exciting series, and both players tried some mindgames, but Nony came out on top. GGs! | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On February 15 2010 08:35 hifriend wrote: This post pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter. I gotta say though I can't understand why people are so obnoxiously hateful towards Idra. The past couple of days I've seen posts directed against Idra that makes his jokingly bad manners seem like nothing. Idra is just a guy trying to achieve his dream in a game all of us essentially love. He also happens to be a brilliant player and the only representative for foreigners in korea, yet you hardly ever see anyone supporting him. Just the fact that he's done many interviews on scforall should tell you that he very much gives a fuck about this community that has decided to despise him, but threads like these really makes me wonder why. Clearly you don't get it. He's BM. And if he's BM; it makes him the anti-christ, clearly. It is everybody's duty to let their emotions completely overwhelm their basic sense of humor on these issues and then make pages and pages of rants directed at him and anybody who defends him. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
Lol, he thinks he has a definition of "good". | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
But it's still a dammn good question never the less. | ||
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PiePie
United States248 Posts
On February 15 2010 08:40 Integra wrote: But it's still a dammn good question never the less. It is I admit  | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
From: Glaucus Subject: Why so dishonest? Date: 2/15/10 08:39 I think I deserve a public apology. Hahaha. | ||
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Rebel_lion
United States271 Posts
I can't find my WCG replay of Idra's super short game.. was that a misclick too? Could be a hype thing, maybe Idra is anti-clutch. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 15 2010 08:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel the same way here that I do about Flash vs Jaedong. Flash is the overall better player, Jaedong outprepared him. If you really think everytime someone loses a game then they are a worse player than the player who beat them you are fucking stupid. Therefore: HyuN > Flash Sen > Ret frOzean > Bisu etc. NonY prepared beautifully. IdrA knows NonY is comfortable in macro games and that's what he prepared for, NonY countered that thought and did the exact opposite of what IdrA expected. Reminds me a bit of Flash vs Stork in Bacchus 2008 where Stork prepared for the Flash style build and Flash just did an all-in every game and raped Stork. IdrA completely outclasses NonY in mechanics/multitask/macro/micro but he just wasn't prepared. I'm not shitting on NonY or his accomplishments. It's a beautiful thing to see this level of preparation and I really like that kind of stuff. obviously you dont really like that kind of stuff. You fail to realize that preparation is an essential factor for competetive SC 1on1 gaming. And therefore it is an essential factor for determining the overall quality of a player. And who the fuck thinks a game automatically determines who is "better" anyway? Do you really think someone went thinking "Idra > Nony" to "Nony > Idra" to "Idra >Nony" to finally "Nony > Idra" in his mind when comparing the skill of these two players?? Its pretty ridiculous to come out and belittle a players skill by saying "yeah he outprepared him and won, but the other guy is still overall better player". Your hugely underestimating the importance of strategy in SC. On a side note, I personally think its idiotic to claim somebody is overall a better player when he trained 12-16 hours a day for 1.5 years and loses to someone coming out of a year-long retirement. In the big picture Nony is the more talented and therefore better player imo, but that is besides the point. Even judging their current skill and saying "he outprepared Idra but Idra is overall better" shows that you have little experience with competetive SC at a high level. | ||
Empyrean
17018 Posts
lulz. EDIT: Any mod willing to check IPs on this guy? | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
oneother why are you being such a dick, who the fuck posts private messages for everyone to see | ||
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
On February 15 2010 08:38 Integra wrote: A better question is when will IdrA stop dodging cheese play and learn to play against it? Umm, when you play against strategic play or abusive builds nearly every game against foreigners, you are going to lose some. Idra wins most of the games he plays, but he is going to lose a few every now and then. Even the best players in Starcraft lose a fair amount of their games A great starcraft player can win 65% of their games. Also to people wondering why he went 1 rax cc on FS. Often Toss users go 12 nexus on FS, so the 1rax cc kind of negates some of the advantage of a 12 nexus because of the quicker CC. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
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PiePie
United States248 Posts
On February 15 2010 08:43 damenmofa wrote: obviously you dont really like that kind of stuff. You fail to realize that preparation is an essential factor for competetive SC 1on1 gaming. And therefore it is an essential factor for determining the overall quality of a player. And who the fuck thinks a game automatically determines who is "better" anyway? Do you really think someone went thinking "Idra > Nony" to "Nony > Idra" to "Idra >Nony" to finally "Nony > Idra" in his mind when comparing the skill of these two players?? Its pretty ridiculous to come out and belittle a players skill by saying "yeah he outprepared him and won, but the other guy is still overall better player". Your hugely underestimating the importance of strategy in SC. On a side note, I personally think its idiotic to claim somebody is overall a better player when he trained 12-16 hours a day for 1.5 years and loses to someone coming out of a year-long retirement. In the big picture Nony is the more talented and therefore better player imo, but that is besides the point. Even judging their current skill and saying "he outprepared Idra but Idra is overall better" shows that you have little experience with competetive SC at a high level. Lay off of him, he already rounded out his argument and said that he made a wrong assumption. No need to attack DrH anymore seriously... | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
Wow. Really..? | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
I wish ret was here but then we would still have a clear favorite, now there really can't be a favorite .... and I like that! | ||
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