[SWL] KT Rolster vs Hwaseung Oz - Page 57

uhh did you transition from a factory/starport type back to a barracks bio build and just forget or did you play 30 mins of bio with just spamming A? O.o

I went for a normal 1 Rax FE Bio build and somehow forgot to upgrade it. I never noticed and I thought I had upgraded it, so I was really confused when my marines kept failing in situations that they normally would rape in. After like 25 minutes I noticed that when I pressed ''t'' nothing really happened. XD Most retarded game of my life (in tough competition, I have some other hilarious moments of retardation).

7mk

Germany10157 Posts

January 26 2010 14:36 GMT

#1123

On January 26 2010 22:52 11cc wrote:

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Flash just revolutionalized TvZ

We might never see another dark swarm cast in pro gaming again

konadora

Singapore66359 Posts

January 26 2010 14:38 GMT

#1124

On January 26 2010 23:24 JFKWT wrote:

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I call mech! =P

LOL

Syrup

United States31 Posts

January 26 2010 14:59 GMT

#1125

JD clearly realized that the MSL flaming on TL was starting to die down, and didn't approve.

LF9

United States537 Posts

January 26 2010 15:22 GMT

#1126

Suspend the rules for a day and let Jaedong and Flash just play all the matches so they can have a rematch of the botched MSL Finals. That would be so awesome.

SuperJongMan

Jamaica11586 Posts

January 26 2010 15:25 GMT

#1127

Hiya has really filled out to be a great T for OZ.
Seems dumping ForGG worked out rather well.

vaMpYr

France119 Posts

January 26 2010 15:30 GMT

#1128

I want to say something .
im talking as a hard hard jaedong fan .
im seeing this days there is a lot of flash fan ( thats a good thing ) , and there is a big fan battle with the JD fans .
i have also the impression that JD fans are really more objective and realist than the flash ones .

lets remember some JD vs flash games :

- proleague game on python , macro game win by flash , jaedong was inexperienced at the time . deserved win by flash .
- bacchus OSL quarterfinal , FLASH completly crushed jaedong in a bo3 with 100% insane macro ( oov can stop starcraft now )
-GOM tv MSL quarterfinal , jaedong revenge and outplayed flash completly in a bo 5 .
- gomtv invitational , flash raped everyone easy , jaedong included . ( this games less value , joke league )
- gomtv intel classic final , jaedong 3 0 flash , 3 hudge rapes ( this games have less value , joke league )
- proleague match@harmony , flash fast CC , jaedong guessed perfectly flash play and did pool 9 on a macro map where NO zerg did pool 9 .
- proleague match@destination , fast rape by jaedong vs some meca bo from flash
- lost saga MSL , risked macro build from jaedong , flash played perfectly and raped jaedong .
- proleague match@chupung ryong , flash played his best level and raped jaedong in a very beautiful way .
- proleague match@rush hour , maybe their best game ever , jaedong showed thats he can be superior to flash .
- bacchus OSL match on return of the king , fast muta rape by jaedong .

flash is 2 2 vs jaedong in OSL
jaedong is 3 2 vs flash in MSL
jaedong is 3 2 vs flash in proleague

flash won 2 0@OSL , first game , flash played his best lvl , jaedong sucked quite hard . second game raks 7 , suprised JD , GG . but it still was 2 0 . flash deserved to win , he won , there is no escuse here . the "jaedong played bad " is not an escuse , just some comment of the game . i was sad this day , but i never denied flash was really awesome and completly outplayed JD . thats the first part .

then come the MSL finals

for some mysterious reasons i cant still understand , almost everyone on earth was seeing a 80% 3 0 or 3 1 win from flash . jaedong was at this moment 8 0 in MSL , was showing some insane play vs protoss everywhere . BUT again dont know why ( human stupidity ? ) , everyone was seeing flash easy win . and WOW 3 1 for jaedong . MIRACLE MY GOD ? first game , muta rape for the 15533 time on flash . seconde game , BRILLANT play by jaedong on strategic and builds , BRILLANT play by flash with magic dropships , flash won with 100% of his lvl . win well-deserved for flash . 3rd game , one of the best game ever between them . jaedong really played his best level ever and did a surnatural comeback from outearth and took the game ( jaedong had AT LEAST 70% advantage , he was playing his BEST level on this game , how could he lose ? ) . the blackout controversy and MBC stupidity made everyone forgot how great the 3 first games was . the 4rd game , raks 7 from flash , 9o from jaedong , nothing to say more , GG . the "flash is a kid , he felt under pressure because of the blackout and kespa decision" is a pathetic escuse . jaedong is known for having one of the best mental strenght ever , the 3 1 win from jaedong CANT be more deserved . forgot the power outage shit ( we all are mad of this ) , and watch the games HARDER . did jaedong made the 80% stupid pronostic guys shut their mouth ? i doubt . this the second part .

flash is 4 2 in OSL
jaedong is 6 3 in MSL
jaedong is 3 2 in proleague
jaedong is then 11 9 vs flash in official leagues

and then come the today match . everyone looking for it . jaedong start again his 3 hatch before pool build , perfect muta harrass and marines frags , completly insane macro with magic upgrades , he was playing his best level again and again . everything was on his side . flash was playing little weird , insane macro for sure but with weak micro and decision making ( not making turrets is not something you forget or something you can miss with a missclick )
and then flash push out , everyone was already seeing a jaedong easy win . and then HUUU , 50 gling , perfect upgrades , lurkers and 8 hatch , defilers and NO swarm . flash attacked very well and win without surprise due to jaedong mistake . and now , every flash fan is saying that flash is better and already put him in #1 power rank without any thinking . this is the third part .

the last part : jaedong DID a missclick , we all know it . i dont want to act like a fanboy and i wont say its pathetic win from flash and blabla . this game is official competition , maybe the most important league . flash won , jaedong lost . it will count for ever . but you have to be honest , forget or missclick the consume evolution is a really crucial and insane mistake , and its the ONLY reason flash won . jaedong played really really better than flash on this game . so just saying , we CANT say flash > jaedong . the power rank discussion will be and should be a HARD question for the #1 #2 spot .

if we see the results and the achievements , jaedong is really far awar from flash . but im the first to say it everyday , result is not everything . i dont see stork or bisu really behind flash , just differents .

but objectivly . if we have to choose one who should be the best , it has to be jaedong and not flash stork or bisu .

i just feel the impression that jaedong has not the reconaissance , the gratitude he deserve .

many people love bisu , little hate him
many people love stork , almost nobody hate him
many people love flash , not so many people really hate him
many people love jaedong , and many hate him . can someone tell me why ?

can someone explain me the 80% pronostic by everyone on earth before MSL finals ?

7mk

Germany10157 Posts

January 26 2010 15:48 GMT

#1129

^
dude... no... just no...
dont start a pointless discussion like that.
and your "many people love bisu, few hate him" statement is such bull shit.
Out of those 4 he might just be the most hated.
I'm a jaedong fan too btw.

Smorrie

Netherlands2928 Posts

January 26 2010 15:48 GMT

#1130

On January 26 2010 21:41 Mooncat wrote:

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True. I've rewatched the game and read what other people who obviously know a lot more about Starcraft than I do thought about the game and came to the conclusion that I was clearly wrong.
Jaedong did have a major advantage.

Still I think that it didn't warrant a free win.

I remember you posting in the MSL Finals thread lol.
After Game1 you became mad because people were cheering for JD's awesome muta micro, saying it had nothing to do with JD and any Zerg would've won that. Then during Flash's win in Game2, after JD pulled a ridiculous move and wasted all his muta/guardians you said hardly anyone else could've won it but this game was won by Flash brilliant strategy and his "GENIUS GENIUS GENIUS GENIUS" play. Then after Game3 you kept on defending Flash's victory (until 98% of the forum told you otherwise).

No offense but you lost all your credibility right in that thread lol. I understand you're a Flash fan boy but you might want to change your posting antics a bit if you want people to take your serious again

MrHoon

10183 Posts

January 26 2010 16:00 GMT

#1131

edit: yeah seriously man, no more fuel

I know you did this with innocent intentions but don't do it man

plus

many people love bisu , little hate him
many people love stork , almost nobody hate him
many people love flash , not so many people really hate him
many people love jaedong , and many hate him . can someone tell me why ?

so maaaaaaaaaaaaaanyyy people will laugh at you the second they read that

okum

France5778 Posts

January 26 2010 16:04 GMT

#1132

That's so wrong. Barely anyone hates Jaedong. The predictions had nothing to do with "hating" him.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

January 26 2010 16:06 GMT

#1133

Meh. Last thing we need is T to be even more >>> over Z by forgetting consume JD!
The map being 70% T>Z isn't helping either.

Oh, and JD forgetting Consume is not comprable to flash not building turrets. Flash doesn't build turrets on purpose because he feels his marine micro is so good he can counter it. It's never a "mistake" when Flash is short on turrets, but rather a type of justified arrogance concerning his ability to defend.

Forgetting consume on the other hand is something that no zerg would ever, ever, be able to justify. It's not the kind of thing you want to forget since no amount of skill makes up for the loss in not having this ability. You cripple the zerg late-game army without consume.

Roffles

Pitcairn19291 Posts

January 26 2010 16:12 GMT

#1134

On January 27 2010 00:30 vaMpYr wrote:
many people love bisu , little hate him
many people love stork , almost nobody hate him
many people love flash , not so many people really hate him
many people love jaedong , and many hate him . can someone tell me why ?

I made amends to your quote here:

No one loves Bisu, they all hate him.
Many people love Stork, no one hates him cause he's awesome.
Many people love Flash, the only haters are anti cheese and anti campers.
Many people love Jaedong, the only haters are Bisu/Flash fans.

Alur

Denmark3900 Posts

January 26 2010 16:23 GMT

#1135

On January 27 2010 01:12 Roffles wrote:

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Amen Roffles, except for the last one.

freelander

Hungary4707 Posts

January 26 2010 16:25 GMT

#1136

fuck the haters
hail the skaters

Atrioc

United States1865 Posts

January 26 2010 16:26 GMT

#1137

Fuck lol
Thats a dissapointing way for JD to go out, firstly because that early game was fucking stellar and secondly because Rolster doesnt need more PL wins and Oz definitely played good enough today (consume notwithstanding) to get one and start moving back up.

Anyway WP by Flash, cant blame him for winning.

KOFgokuon

United States14910 Posts

January 26 2010 16:28 GMT

#1138

go FLASH

Klive5ive

United Kingdom6056 Posts

January 26 2010 16:42 GMT

#1139

I agree with MrHoon that is total nonsense.
If anyone I would say Bisu is the most disliked in that list(mainly because of Savior).

I thought that JD was the favourite going in to the best of 5 as well. I think the main reason Flash got more votes was that people took the map statistics into account too much.
People always forget that good players play the maps better. Savior did, Flash does(remember Katrina) and so does Jaedong. They find the way that their race plays best on that map and use that to their advantage.