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JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
January 26 2010 14:24 GMT
#1121
On January 26 2010 22:55 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 22:51 Silentness wrote:
On January 26 2010 20:54 baubo wrote:
Stork had his goon range. Savior had his adrenaline. And now Jaedong has his consume.

Massive facepalms in SC history.


I played a whole game without vulture speed once... I was like wow how did I not realize my vultures were not upgraded. >,<

That's nothing compared to what I did once; I played a 30 minute TvZ without having stim. XD

I call mech! =P
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 26 2010 14:25 GMT
#1122
On January 26 2010 23:13 Silentness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 22:55 Holgerius wrote:
On January 26 2010 22:51 Silentness wrote:
On January 26 2010 20:54 baubo wrote:
Stork had his goon range. Savior had his adrenaline. And now Jaedong has his consume.

Massive facepalms in SC history.


I played a whole game without vulture speed once... I was like wow how did I not realize my vultures were not upgraded. >,<

That's nothing compared to what I did once; I played a 30 minute TvZ without having stim. XD


uhh did you transition from a factory/starport type back to a barracks bio build and just forget or did you play 30 mins of bio with just spamming A? O.o

I went for a normal 1 Rax FE Bio build and somehow forgot to upgrade it. I never noticed and I thought I had upgraded it, so I was really confused when my marines kept failing in situations that they normally would rape in. After like 25 minutes I noticed that when I pressed ''t'' nothing really happened. XD Most retarded game of my life (in tough competition, I have some other hilarious moments of retardation).
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 26 2010 14:36 GMT
#1123
On January 26 2010 22:52 11cc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 22:27 adelarge wrote:
On January 26 2010 21:42 Holgerius wrote:
On January 26 2010 21:40 Hinanawi wrote:
Disclaimer: I am an absolutely horrible D Starcraft player who in no way has any advanced knowledge of any matchup.

That being said, can someone tell me why Flash never makes turrets by his main SCV line on Match Point? Like two or three of them? I want to pull my hair out seeing how often he loses (or almost lost, in this game's case) because of the Z player just flying mutas right over his main worker line on this map.

Is the 150 or 225 minerals for 2/3 turrets there just too much? I could swear that other T players have built 3 or so turrets there against Zerg, and it seems to work fine for them...

Ya. I'm also really annoyed by his building placement in his main that prevents him from running around properly with his rines. Instead he gets them in stupid lines that makes it impossible to pwn those mutas.


Actually, Flash builiding placement in his main is perfect. It's specifically designed to send subconscious message "forget consume!" Then he lets JDs' lings and mutas in his main to be sure he sees it, minimalizes the loses and prepares strong time push to abuse the lack of said consume.

Jaedong didn't forget consume, Flash made him forget!

Don't believe me? Just ask yourself, were you thinking about consume while looking at Flash builing placement...? No? Maybe as if you...FORGOT?!


Flash just revolutionalized TvZ


We might never see another dark swarm cast in pro gaming again
beep boop
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
January 26 2010 14:38 GMT
#1124
On January 26 2010 23:24 JFKWT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 22:55 Holgerius wrote:
On January 26 2010 22:51 Silentness wrote:
On January 26 2010 20:54 baubo wrote:
Stork had his goon range. Savior had his adrenaline. And now Jaedong has his consume.

Massive facepalms in SC history.


I played a whole game without vulture speed once... I was like wow how did I not realize my vultures were not upgraded. >,<

That's nothing compared to what I did once; I played a 30 minute TvZ without having stim. XD

I call mech! =P

LOL
POGGERS
Syrup
Profile Joined January 2009
United States31 Posts
January 26 2010 14:59 GMT
#1125
JD clearly realized that the MSL flaming on TL was starting to die down, and didn't approve.
anglice loqui tironum est
LF9
Profile Joined November 2009
United States537 Posts
January 26 2010 15:22 GMT
#1126
Suspend the rules for a day and let Jaedong and Flash just play all the matches so they can have a rematch of the botched MSL Finals. That would be so awesome.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
January 26 2010 15:25 GMT
#1127
Hiya has really filled out to be a great T for OZ.
Seems dumping ForGG worked out rather well.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
vaMpYr
Profile Joined July 2009
France119 Posts
January 26 2010 15:30 GMT
#1128
I want to say something .
im talking as a hard hard jaedong fan .
im seeing this days there is a lot of flash fan ( thats a good thing ) , and there is a big fan battle with the JD fans .
i have also the impression that JD fans are really more objective and realist than the flash ones .

lets remember some JD vs flash games :

- proleague game on python , macro game win by flash , jaedong was inexperienced at the time . deserved win by flash .
- bacchus OSL quarterfinal , FLASH completly crushed jaedong in a bo3 with 100% insane macro ( oov can stop starcraft now )
-GOM tv MSL quarterfinal , jaedong revenge and outplayed flash completly in a bo 5 .
- gomtv invitational , flash raped everyone easy , jaedong included . ( this games less value , joke league )
- gomtv intel classic final , jaedong 3 0 flash , 3 hudge rapes ( this games have less value , joke league )
- proleague match@harmony , flash fast CC , jaedong guessed perfectly flash play and did pool 9 on a macro map where NO zerg did pool 9 .
- proleague match@destination , fast rape by jaedong vs some meca bo from flash
- lost saga MSL , risked macro build from jaedong , flash played perfectly and raped jaedong .
- proleague match@chupung ryong , flash played his best level and raped jaedong in a very beautiful way .
- proleague match@rush hour , maybe their best game ever , jaedong showed thats he can be superior to flash .
- bacchus OSL match on return of the king , fast muta rape by jaedong .

flash is 2 2 vs jaedong in OSL
jaedong is 3 2 vs flash in MSL
jaedong is 3 2 vs flash in proleague

flash won 2 0@OSL , first game , flash played his best lvl , jaedong sucked quite hard . second game raks 7 , suprised JD , GG . but it still was 2 0 . flash deserved to win , he won , there is no escuse here . the "jaedong played bad " is not an escuse , just some comment of the game . i was sad this day , but i never denied flash was really awesome and completly outplayed JD . thats the first part .

then come the MSL finals

for some mysterious reasons i cant still understand , almost everyone on earth was seeing a 80% 3 0 or 3 1 win from flash . jaedong was at this moment 8 0 in MSL , was showing some insane play vs protoss everywhere . BUT again dont know why ( human stupidity ? ) , everyone was seeing flash easy win . and WOW 3 1 for jaedong . MIRACLE MY GOD ? first game , muta rape for the 15533 time on flash . seconde game , BRILLANT play by jaedong on strategic and builds , BRILLANT play by flash with magic dropships , flash won with 100% of his lvl . win well-deserved for flash . 3rd game , one of the best game ever between them . jaedong really played his best level ever and did a surnatural comeback from outearth and took the game ( jaedong had AT LEAST 70% advantage , he was playing his BEST level on this game , how could he lose ? ) . the blackout controversy and MBC stupidity made everyone forgot how great the 3 first games was . the 4rd game , raks 7 from flash , 9o from jaedong , nothing to say more , GG . the "flash is a kid , he felt under pressure because of the blackout and kespa decision" is a pathetic escuse . jaedong is known for having one of the best mental strenght ever , the 3 1 win from jaedong CANT be more deserved . forgot the power outage shit ( we all are mad of this ) , and watch the games HARDER . did jaedong made the 80% stupid pronostic guys shut their mouth ? i doubt . this the second part .

flash is 4 2 in OSL
jaedong is 6 3 in MSL
jaedong is 3 2 in proleague
jaedong is then 11 9 vs flash in official leagues

and then come the today match . everyone looking for it . jaedong start again his 3 hatch before pool build , perfect muta harrass and marines frags , completly insane macro with magic upgrades , he was playing his best level again and again . everything was on his side . flash was playing little weird , insane macro for sure but with weak micro and decision making ( not making turrets is not something you forget or something you can miss with a missclick )
and then flash push out , everyone was already seeing a jaedong easy win . and then HUUU , 50 gling , perfect upgrades , lurkers and 8 hatch , defilers and NO swarm . flash attacked very well and win without surprise due to jaedong mistake . and now , every flash fan is saying that flash is better and already put him in #1 power rank without any thinking . this is the third part .

the last part : jaedong DID a missclick , we all know it . i dont want to act like a fanboy and i wont say its pathetic win from flash and blabla . this game is official competition , maybe the most important league . flash won , jaedong lost . it will count for ever . but you have to be honest , forget or missclick the consume evolution is a really crucial and insane mistake , and its the ONLY reason flash won . jaedong played really really better than flash on this game . so just saying , we CANT say flash > jaedong . the power rank discussion will be and should be a HARD question for the #1 #2 spot .

if we see the results and the achievements , jaedong is really far awar from flash . but im the first to say it everyday , result is not everything . i dont see stork or bisu really behind flash , just differents .

but objectivly . if we have to choose one who should be the best , it has to be jaedong and not flash stork or bisu .

i just feel the impression that jaedong has not the reconaissance , the gratitude he deserve .

many people love bisu , little hate him
many people love stork , almost nobody hate him
many people love flash , not so many people really hate him
many people love jaedong , and many hate him . can someone tell me why ?

can someone explain me the 80% pronostic by everyone on earth before MSL finals ?
jaedong > flash in OSLs ; jaedong > flash in MSLs ; jaedong > flash in WCGs ; jaedong > flash in proleagues . what else ? NESPRESSO ( old quote =( )
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 26 2010 15:48 GMT
#1129
^
dude... no... just no...
dont start a pointless discussion like that.
and your "many people love bisu, few hate him" statement is such bull shit.
Out of those 4 he might just be the most hated.
I'm a jaedong fan too btw.
beep boop
Smorrie
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2925 Posts
January 26 2010 15:48 GMT
#1130
On January 26 2010 21:41 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 21:36 7mk wrote:
On January 26 2010 21:34 infinity2k9 wrote:
On January 26 2010 21:31 Mooncat wrote:
On January 26 2010 21:24 SuperArc wrote:
On January 26 2010 21:22 Mooncat wrote:
On January 26 2010 21:16 SuperArc wrote:
I havent felt so down since Bisu 3-0ed savior. =/


And that's probably not even close to what Flash fans have been feeling since power outage won the MSL for Jaedong.


Why? Jaedong lost a won game, Flash lost a lost game.


Jaedong got two free wins, that's why.
And before you start throwing probabilities around - no one knows how Game 3 would've turned out. Game 4 was obviously the result of Game 3's circumstances.


Wait are people still honestly arguing how that would have turned out... lol


Take into consideration that when the power outage happened, this dude was sure that Flash had a huge lead in game 3.


True. I've rewatched the game and read what other people who obviously know a lot more about Starcraft than I do thought about the game and came to the conclusion that I was clearly wrong.
Jaedong did have a major advantage.

Still I think that it didn't warrant a free win.



I remember you posting in the MSL Finals thread lol.
After Game1 you became mad because people were cheering for JD's awesome muta micro, saying it had nothing to do with JD and any Zerg would've won that. Then during Flash's win in Game2, after JD pulled a ridiculous move and wasted all his muta/guardians you said hardly anyone else could've won it but this game was won by Flash brilliant strategy and his "GENIUS GENIUS GENIUS GENIUS" play. Then after Game3 you kept on defending Flash's victory (until 98% of the forum told you otherwise).

No offense but you lost all your credibility right in that thread lol. I understand you're a Flash fan boy but you might want to change your posting antics a bit if you want people to take your serious again
It has a strong technique, but it lacks oo.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-26 16:00:50
January 26 2010 16:00 GMT
#1131
edit: yeah seriously man, no more fuel

I know you did this with innocent intentions but don't do it man

plus
many people love bisu , little hate him
many people love stork , almost nobody hate him
many people love flash , not so many people really hate him
many people love jaedong , and many hate him . can someone tell me why ?


so maaaaaaaaaaaaaanyyy people will laugh at you the second they read that
dats racist
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
January 26 2010 16:04 GMT
#1132
That's so wrong. Barely anyone hates Jaedong. The predictions had nothing to do with "hating" him.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-26 16:21:54
January 26 2010 16:06 GMT
#1133
Meh. Last thing we need is T to be even more >>> over Z by forgetting consume JD!
The map being 70% T>Z isn't helping either.

Oh, and JD forgetting Consume is not comprable to flash not building turrets. Flash doesn't build turrets on purpose because he feels his marine micro is so good he can counter it. It's never a "mistake" when Flash is short on turrets, but rather a type of justified arrogance concerning his ability to defend.

Forgetting consume on the other hand is something that no zerg would ever, ever, be able to justify. It's not the kind of thing you want to forget since no amount of skill makes up for the loss in not having this ability. You cripple the zerg late-game army without consume.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-26 16:13:09
January 26 2010 16:12 GMT
#1134
On January 27 2010 00:30 vaMpYr wrote:
many people love bisu , little hate him
many people love stork , almost nobody hate him
many people love flash , not so many people really hate him
many people love jaedong , and many hate him . can someone tell me why ?

I made amends to your quote here:

No one loves Bisu, they all hate him.
Many people love Stork, no one hates him cause he's awesome.
Many people love Flash, the only haters are anti cheese and anti campers.
Many people love Jaedong, the only haters are Bisu/Flash fans.
God Bless
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
January 26 2010 16:23 GMT
#1135
On January 27 2010 01:12 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2010 00:30 vaMpYr wrote:
many people love bisu , little hate him
many people love stork , almost nobody hate him
many people love flash , not so many people really hate him
many people love jaedong , and many hate him . can someone tell me why ?

I made amends to your quote here:

No one loves Bisu, they all hate him.
Many people love Stork, no one hates him cause he's awesome.
Many people love Flash, the only haters are anti cheese and anti campers.
Many people love Jaedong, the only haters are Bisu/Flash fans.

Amen Roffles, except for the last one.
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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 26 2010 16:25 GMT
#1136
fuck the haters
hail the skaters
And all is illuminated.
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
January 26 2010 16:26 GMT
#1137
Fuck lol
Thats a dissapointing way for JD to go out, firstly because that early game was fucking stellar and secondly because Rolster doesnt need more PL wins and Oz definitely played good enough today (consume notwithstanding) to get one and start moving back up.

Anyway WP by Flash, cant blame him for winning.




Writerman what
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
January 26 2010 16:28 GMT
#1138
go FLASH
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
January 26 2010 16:42 GMT
#1139
many people love bisu , little hate him
many people love stork , almost nobody hate him
many people love flash , not so many people really hate him
many people love jaedong , and many hate him . can someone tell me why ?


I agree with MrHoon that is total nonsense.
If anyone I would say Bisu is the most disliked in that list(mainly because of Savior).

I thought that JD was the favourite going in to the best of 5 as well. I think the main reason Flash got more votes was that people took the map statistics into account too much.
People always forget that good players play the maps better. Savior did, Flash does(remember Katrina) and so does Jaedong. They find the way that their race plays best on that map and use that to their advantage.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
lgd-haze
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden547 Posts
January 26 2010 16:47 GMT
#1140
On January 27 2010 01:42 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
many people love bisu , little hate him
many people love stork , almost nobody hate him
many people love flash , not so many people really hate him
many people love jaedong , and many hate him . can someone tell me why ?


If anyone I would say Bisu is the most disliked in that list(mainly because of Savior).



I thought it had to do with his arrogance in interviews and stuff. That's the case for me at least =)
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