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[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 142

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Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
January 23 2010 10:35 GMT
#2821
On January 23 2010 19:31 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 19:29 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Was Jaedong's 3 o clock not mining or is everyone just ignoring that?

well he obviously had that or the game would have ended 5 minutes earlier

jd was definitely ahead but not enough for a free win. i am so disappointed at msl right now


He had no drones there until the attack on 7
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
January 23 2010 10:35 GMT
#2822
MSL, I am disappoint.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
January 23 2010 10:35 GMT
#2823
Flash had an expo btw guys, scvs were transferring 20-30 seconds before blackout
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
January 23 2010 10:35 GMT
#2824
It is extremely unfair for Flash to lose this game in this fashion.

It would be extremely unfair for Jaedong to replay the game on the same map, all things being considered.

MSL deserve to get shut down instead of boosting their ratings by playing the GODDAMNED commercials RIGHT AFTER they incompetantly abort the best game in the series so far like they COULDN'T FUCKING WAIT FOR IT. I hope everyone in Korea switches off their television and only watch the games via the internet switching the stream off in between games, just to screw with MBC Game. FUCK THEM.
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 23 2010 10:36 GMT
#2825
awarding JD the win will taint his championship with "what could have been"
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
January 23 2010 10:36 GMT
#2826
Now, if JD wins, this title is going to be tainted. Flash was 2 base against 4 with superior tech in game 2. It took him a while when he couldn't destroy the base as well. Flash was about to expand in this game - if he pulled off his attack, it would be 3 bases to 3, with JD having no army and not enough gas to support ultra/ling, and no lurker aspect.
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
January 23 2010 10:36 GMT
#2827
On January 23 2010 19:31 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 19:29 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Was Jaedong's 3 o clock not mining or is everyone just ignoring that?

well he obviously had that or the game would have ended 5 minutes earlier

jd was definitely ahead but not enough for a free win. i am so disappointed at msl right now

Yes I agree. I was responding to those that said Flash was ahead in eco or he was about to break. There is no good solution now.
Jaedong
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 23 2010 10:36 GMT
#2828
On January 23 2010 19:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I'm with the people saying Flash is never out of a game. Both the first 2 games had large swings where the other player appeared to have a lead... then lost it. Jaedong was ahead, but he wasn't so far ahead that Flash was somehow all ready on the gallows.

One min only in the middle of the map, main and nat mined out, and with such perfect macro before that he wouldn't have anything saved up, with Flash's entire MnM force crushed right before the power cut, with defilers defending the base. First, JD wouldn't have lost the bottom left. Second, a Z with 2 bases with a third coming > T with one min only IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP how do you defend that?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
January 23 2010 10:36 GMT
#2829
people in the audience are starting to leave, rofl epic fail
How do you mine minerals?
LorDo
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden485 Posts
January 23 2010 10:36 GMT
#2830
Guys, JD was in the lead. But consider what happened. It's not Flash's fault the power was broken. They CAN never now what would happen that game.

In EVERY sport they replay shit when something like this happens. This is so bad of Kespa. Of course JD would be at a disadvantage if they replay, but he still has a chance. Flash doesn't. This is BULLSHIT.

There is NO other option than replay the game. You guys are just stupid for thinking this is fair.
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 23 2010 10:36 GMT
#2831
This is not a big fucking deal. Fail from MBC. Yes. We know.

If they had replayed it it would be totally unfair to Jaedong, so stop spamming about it being bullshit.

On January 23 2010 19:32 Itachii wrote:
wasnt flash's SV count really low?
Didn't he lose his whole army while attacking bottom left?
Wasn't his main mined out and nat really low @ mins?

he had no chance to come back whatsover, and to be honest i thought that he actually gged and my stream just fucked up.any other decision than giving the win to JD wouldn't be fair

TL died before my post worked and then I saw this. I thought it was a gg too.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
January 23 2010 10:36 GMT
#2832
lol fucking stupidest fuck lololol. i could grab a couple of my friends and run a better fucking e-sports association and channel than this shit. horrible horrible decisionmaking, mismacro, and mismicro on mbc and kespa's parts
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
January 23 2010 10:37 GMT
#2833
Rematch wouldn't really be fair either... imagine how that would feel for JD. You just pulled an epic comeback with amazing swarm usage, and you just gained a huge advantage, when suddenly the power goes out and now you have to start all over again with 4 drones.
NeoOmega
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States495 Posts
January 23 2010 10:37 GMT
#2834
So much fanboyism T_T
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 23 2010 10:37 GMT
#2835
This is not the worst decision ever since

THERE IS NO RIGHT DECISION, rematch is unfair towards Jaedong and giving win is unfair towards Flash.

MBC is to be blamed for not having enough power.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Weaponx3
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada232 Posts
January 23 2010 10:37 GMT
#2836
stop comparing game 2 and 3 they were different i game 2 jd had no units or defiler tech up and running he lost alot of his tech and flash already had a 3rd and 4th up and running, game 3 jd had defiler and ultra aswell as 4 bases mining compared to flash just starting to get one going cuz his nat and main were mined out..
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
January 23 2010 10:37 GMT
#2837
Guy's the point is Flash didn't GG, he didn't lose until he GG'ed.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
January 23 2010 10:37 GMT
#2838
Flash would admit that it was JD win rather than going for a rematch
he is not BM
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
Dandy4
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States493 Posts
January 23 2010 10:37 GMT
#2839
On January 23 2010 19:34 Smorrie wrote:
If I was a ref I wouldn't ever have dared to make that decision.. but let's be real.. I thought Flash was gonna take it, looking at JD's sloppy play. But when swarms came out, he cleared Flash's m&m pretty nicely.

At the 'end' of the game:
Flash mined out his main, his exp didn't have too much left.. He was about to get the min only exp rolling. His vessel count was low though. He made another push towards 7, while JD had fully graded ultra/ling waiting there with 2 defilers.

While we could question whether JD would've taken the game from there or not, there is no way we could say Flash had that game.



well said
Who let the dogs out?
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
January 23 2010 10:38 GMT
#2840
looks like Bogus won this MSL
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
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