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On January 16 2010 19:22 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:18 7mk wrote:On January 16 2010 19:17 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 19:16 7mk wrote:On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent pvz victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. Just lol at this... Your post had absolutely nothing to do with what Shikyo wrote I don't care, I just wanted to point that out, and it does have some relevance to why Kal got such a beating. But it didnt have any revelance to which of the games should be recommended which is all that shikyo's post is about ? It's relevant because I implied why Kal played so poorly against Jaedong and why none of the games should be recommended. But I should of directly answered his question.
Look, I don't know about you, but I watch the games and see how good they are. I don't just look at a game, think it was entertaining, and then look up the history of the player's MU stats and decide that it shouldn't be recommended just because the losing player hasn't lately beat every good ZvP player.
What kind of logic is that? If Flash played an amazingly entertaining game against a worse Zerg and the game would be great to watch, would you take it off recommendations just because the Z hadn't recently beaten many good TvZers? They aren't called the recommended MU histories, they're called the recommended games.
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On January 16 2010 19:28 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:22 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 19:18 7mk wrote:On January 16 2010 19:17 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 19:16 7mk wrote:On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent pvz victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. Just lol at this... Your post had absolutely nothing to do with what Shikyo wrote I don't care, I just wanted to point that out, and it does have some relevance to why Kal got such a beating. But it didnt have any revelance to which of the games should be recommended which is all that shikyo's post is about ? It's relevant because I implied why Kal played so poorly against Jaedong and why none of the games should be recommended. But I should of directly answered his question. Look, I don't know about you, but I watch the games and see how good they are. I don't just look at a game, think it was entertaining, and then look up the history of the player's MU stats and decide that it shouldn't be recommended just because the losing player hasn't lately beat every good ZvP player. What kind of logic is that? If Flash played an amazingly entertaining game against a worse Zerg and the game would be great to watch, would you take it off recommendations just because the Z hadn't recently beaten many good TvZers? They aren't called the recommended MU histories, they're called the recommended games.
And yes I like watching a good starcraft game too no matter who's playing. But in this case, none of the games should be recommended, the games were not competitive despite the caliber of both players. I expected more from Kal. I'm just saying Kal has yet to beat a good zvp zerg.
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on the side note my parents are having sex in the room above me??
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Lets get ready for the OSL and next week Flash vs Jaedong.
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On January 16 2010 19:32 vRoOk wrote:
on the side note my parents are having sex in the room above me??
If I were you I'd run in screaming and yelling LJD! LJD! LJD! like a madman chanting about an Epic MSL Finals!  That way your father would cum a second time 
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On January 16 2010 19:30 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:28 Shikyo wrote:On January 16 2010 19:22 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 19:18 7mk wrote:On January 16 2010 19:17 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 19:16 7mk wrote:On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent pvz victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. Just lol at this... Your post had absolutely nothing to do with what Shikyo wrote I don't care, I just wanted to point that out, and it does have some relevance to why Kal got such a beating. But it didnt have any revelance to which of the games should be recommended which is all that shikyo's post is about ? It's relevant because I implied why Kal played so poorly against Jaedong and why none of the games should be recommended. But I should of directly answered his question. Look, I don't know about you, but I watch the games and see how good they are. I don't just look at a game, think it was entertaining, and then look up the history of the player's MU stats and decide that it shouldn't be recommended just because the losing player hasn't lately beat every good ZvP player. What kind of logic is that? If Flash played an amazingly entertaining game against a worse Zerg and the game would be great to watch, would you take it off recommendations just because the Z hadn't recently beaten many good TvZers? They aren't called the recommended MU histories, they're called the recommended games. Good point you win, whatever. To answer your question directly, none of the games should be recommended and it's disappointing coming from a player like Kal, it was too one-sided.
Flash vs. Kwanro was a lot more even. They traded cheesy wins, and games 1&4 looked pretty even (1 favoring Flash, 4 favoring Kwanro) until Kwanro pressed 'G' like an idiot and instantly lost both games.
On January 16 2010 19:32 vRoOk wrote:
on the side note my parents are having sex in the room above me??
Heckle them.
On January 16 2010 19:27 Qwertify wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:24 Kyuukyuu wrote:On January 16 2010 19:18 Qwertify wrote:On January 16 2010 19:13 jalstar wrote:On January 16 2010 19:11 Qwertify wrote:On January 16 2010 19:05 Shikyo wrote:On January 16 2010 18:59 Qwertify wrote:Just for clarification - there are not Protoss Bjws right? I think right now it is only:  BoxeR, NaDa, iloveoov, ans  sAviOr. ?? Yups, and if we were lenient we could add JD for his double OSL + insane ELO peak run and if Flash wins both leagues, him too. But I'm not sure if people are willing to accept these two, since their domination hasn't lasted that long. TY I suppose the the durationof one's domination is the real hurdle to be a Bonjwa. But any proathlete/e-athlete will tell you that consistency is that hardest thing, and will always urge that it should be the most respected. If Jaedong beats Flash in the finals that would make 3 straight seasons of victories. What else does he need? To have the highest ELO during that same period. The gap between Jaedong and Flash right now is vast. This is really fucking ridiculous if you think about, considering JD is at 2300+ Flash = 2397 Jaedong = 2307 That is a 90 point difference. That is ridiculous.
The bulk of their ELO difference is the difference between ZvZ and TvT. ZvZ is far more volatile, particularly now that it's not just JD who knows how to play it, which means JD loses some games to very low ELO Zergs and loses a crapton of points.
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On January 16 2010 19:24 Qwertify wrote:
And on a side note, if Flash does 3-0 Jaedong, Bisu will still have a higher Peak ELO than him.
Huh? Flash already has the hightest peak elo
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On January 16 2010 19:54 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:30 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 19:28 Shikyo wrote:On January 16 2010 19:22 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 19:18 7mk wrote:On January 16 2010 19:17 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 19:16 7mk wrote:On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent pvz victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. Just lol at this... Your post had absolutely nothing to do with what Shikyo wrote I don't care, I just wanted to point that out, and it does have some relevance to why Kal got such a beating. But it didnt have any revelance to which of the games should be recommended which is all that shikyo's post is about ? It's relevant because I implied why Kal played so poorly against Jaedong and why none of the games should be recommended. But I should of directly answered his question. Look, I don't know about you, but I watch the games and see how good they are. I don't just look at a game, think it was entertaining, and then look up the history of the player's MU stats and decide that it shouldn't be recommended just because the losing player hasn't lately beat every good ZvP player. What kind of logic is that? If Flash played an amazingly entertaining game against a worse Zerg and the game would be great to watch, would you take it off recommendations just because the Z hadn't recently beaten many good TvZers? They aren't called the recommended MU histories, they're called the recommended games. Good point you win, whatever. To answer your question directly, none of the games should be recommended and it's disappointing coming from a player like Kal, it was too one-sided. Flash vs. Kwanro was a lot more even. They traded cheesy wins, and games 1&4 looked pretty even (1 favoring Flash, 4 favoring Kwanro) until Kwanro pressed 'G' like an idiot and instantly lost both games.
dunno what games you watched, but flash vs kwanro was really one sided. kwanro played terrible by going guards twice and flash ran him over because of it. flash went cheese twice, failed miserably once and easily won the second time. i was more entertained watching jd vs kal game 2 & 3 despite jd running over kal really easily
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Of course game 2 should be recommended, it included some sick multitasking and good defensive timing, that you don't see that much.
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On January 16 2010 18:46 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 18:43 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2010 18:35 FireGuyX wrote:
I laugh at the people that say Kal has better PvZ then Movie. You seen Jaedong's last two games against Movie? + Show Spoiler +On January 16 2010 18:43 7mk wrote:On January 16 2010 18:39 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2010 18:39 dekuschrub wrote:
man these games make you appreciate a free's late game PvZ
how the fuck did kal blow that last game dear god
i still wouldnt say these games sucked.. game 1 was really dumb, but 2 and 3 were pretty exciting!
also JD vs flash finals= WINNNNN When was kal ever in a position to blow the last game? When he defended JD's early attacks but then decided to add another billion cannons to make sure he doesnt come ahead out of it Good point, he should've built around 10, not 15? Put him pretty behind. And none of them were in a Bo3 or Bo5, and one of the wins was a useless OSL win. At Movie's current form, he's definitley able to take down Jaedong in a Bo5.
In a Bo5, Jaedong would give Movie a wedgie and then tie it into a bow.
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On January 16 2010 19:55 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:24 Qwertify wrote:
And on a side note, if Flash does 3-0 Jaedong, Bisu will still have a higher Peak ELO than him. Huh? Flash already has the hightest peak elo
Bisu currently has a higher peak ELO than Jaedong. If Jaedong goes 3-0 in the finals, then this will not change.
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On January 16 2010 20:25 Djabanete wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 18:46 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:43 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2010 18:35 FireGuyX wrote:
I laugh at the people that say Kal has better PvZ then Movie. You seen Jaedong's last two games against Movie? + Show Spoiler +On January 16 2010 18:43 7mk wrote:On January 16 2010 18:39 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 16 2010 18:39 dekuschrub wrote:
man these games make you appreciate a free's late game PvZ
how the fuck did kal blow that last game dear god
i still wouldnt say these games sucked.. game 1 was really dumb, but 2 and 3 were pretty exciting!
also JD vs flash finals= WINNNNN When was kal ever in a position to blow the last game? When he defended JD's early attacks but then decided to add another billion cannons to make sure he doesnt come ahead out of it Good point, he should've built around 10, not 15? Put him pretty behind. And none of them were in a Bo3 or Bo5, and one of the wins was a useless OSL win. At Movie's current form, he's definitley able to take down Jaedong in a Bo5. In a Bo5, Jaedong would give Movie a wedgie and then tie it into a bow.
Movie compared to last season has improved a lot. Especially in his PvT and PvP and last season Movie only had like 40 official games. He's still inconsistent barley above a 50% win rate, but next season I expect Movie to be a complete player. Movie's PvZ is much better then Kal's, Movie probably would of pushed Jaedong to a Go5.
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Flash = 2397
Jaedong = 2307
That is a 90 point difference. That is ridiculous.
On January 16 2010 19:54 Severedevil wrote:
The bulk of their ELO difference is the difference between ZvZ and TvT. ZvZ is far more volatile, particularly now that it's not just JD who knows how to play it, which means JD loses some games to very low ELO Zergs and loses a crapton of points.
That is just speculation. What does that even mean, "now that it's not just JD who knows how to play it." Did other Zerg players suddenly learn how to play ZvZ altogether somehow? Is there some magic trick that you can learn that makes ZvZ more like a coin toss, so much so that poorer players can learn it and then have a chance at beating Jaedong? And why has this only recently happened? Were people not able to observe Jaedong's ZvZ a year ago?
The opposite actually can be said. Jaedong's ELO is so high mainly because of his 80% win rate ZvZ, from before. If he had been playing ZvZ like that all along, the point gap would be more significant.
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On January 16 2010 19:43 3nickma wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:32 vRoOk wrote:
on the side note my parents are having sex in the room above me?? If I were you I'd run in screaming and yelling LJD! LJD! LJD! like a madman chanting about an Epic MSL Finals! That way your father would cum a second time
HAHAHA, that cracked me up so hard.
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I feel bad about the result. I had wanted to write for the front page at some point, but I feel that I have let you good folks down by hyping this series.
I had a pleasantly drunken evening for the first half hour of the games, and then I started feeling shitty. I can't feel bad for the winner, so mostly fuck you.
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On January 16 2010 20:46 thopol wrote:
I feel bad about the result. I had wanted to write for the front page at some point, but I feel that I have let you good folks down by hyping this series.
I had a pleasantly drunken evening for the first half hour of the games, and then I started feeling shitty. I can't feel bad for the winner, so mostly fuck you.
Dude don't worry about it, things are beyond your control, and you made this series more interesting for everyone before it started by writing what you did.
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On January 16 2010 20:40 Qwertify wrote:Flash = 2397 Jaedong = 2307 That is a 90 point difference. That is ridiculous. Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:54 Severedevil wrote:
The bulk of their ELO difference is the difference between ZvZ and TvT. ZvZ is far more volatile, particularly now that it's not just JD who knows how to play it, which means JD loses some games to very low ELO Zergs and loses a crapton of points. That is just speculation. What does that even mean, "now that it's not just JD who knows how to play it." Did other Zerg players suddenly learn how to play ZvZ altogether somehow? Is there some magic trick that you can learn that makes ZvZ more like a coin toss, so much so that poorer players can learn it and then have a chance at beating Jaedong? And why has this only recently happened? Were people not able to observe Jaedong's ZvZ a year ago? The opposite actually can be said. Jaedong's ELO is so high mainly because of his 80% win rate ZvZ, from before. If he had been playing ZvZ like that all along, the point gap would be more significant.
TLPD hasnt been updated yet, I am sure JD's ELO will increase to about 2330.
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recommend game 3 for BM transparency
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On January 16 2010 19:43 3nickma wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:32 vRoOk wrote:
on the side note my parents are having sex in the room above me?? If I were you I'd run in screaming and yelling LJD! LJD! LJD! like a madman chanting about an Epic MSL Finals! That way your father would cum a second time
And risk having to share bandwidth with yet another sibling? I think not.
Assuming, of course, pops is still fertile.
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