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On January 16 2010 19:06 vRoOk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:05 Elroi wrote:On January 16 2010 19:00 jalstar wrote:On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent PvZ victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. seriously stop talking, you are the epitome of this stupid team liquid "everyone besides Jaedong/Flash/Bisu/Stork is bad" phenomenon. This. JDs vP is godlike. At this level the SC imba really showas though: p beats t beats z beats p... so ur saying Movie will 100% pwn FlaSh?
Movie != godlike
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On January 16 2010 19:06 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:03 Shikyo wrote:On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent pvz victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. I'm saying the games deserve recommendation imo, where'd you get Kal's PvZ history lessons from? Some people were actually surprised that Jaedong smoked Kal, I wasn't. Why did he put 20 cannons in his natural? Why did he sent out an army to attack one of Jaedong's expansion? Either Jaedong is too good or Kal never great pvz in the first place is my point.
I wasn't surprised either. But I think that the games were worth a recommendation.
What do you not understand?
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also s-class T > Z and s-class Z > P but s-class P is not always > T
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On January 16 2010 19:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
also s-class T > Z and s-class Z > P but s-class P is not always > T
its because terran are imba 
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On January 16 2010 19:05 Shikyo wrote:Yups, and if we were lenient we could add JD for his double OSL + insane ELO peak run and if Flash wins both leagues, him too. But I'm not sure if people are willing to accept these two, since their domination hasn't lasted that long.
TY
I suppose the the durationof one's domination is the real hurdle to be a Bonjwa. But any proathlete/e-athlete will tell you that consistency is that hardest thing, and will always urge that it should be the most respected.
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On January 16 2010 19:08 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:06 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 19:03 Shikyo wrote:On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent pvz victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. I'm saying the games deserve recommendation imo, where'd you get Kal's PvZ history lessons from? Some people were actually surprised that Jaedong smoked Kal, I wasn't. Why did he put 20 cannons in his natural? Why did he sent out an army to attack one of Jaedong's expansion? Either Jaedong is too good or Kal never great pvz in the first place is my point. I wasn't surprised either. But I think that the games were worth a recommendation. What do you not understand?
It was a straight up beating, none of them I would recommend, I expected more from Kal.
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On January 16 2010 19:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:06 vRoOk wrote:On January 16 2010 19:05 Elroi wrote:On January 16 2010 19:00 jalstar wrote:On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent PvZ victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. seriously stop talking, you are the epitome of this stupid team liquid "everyone besides Jaedong/Flash/Bisu/Stork is bad" phenomenon. This. JDs vP is godlike. At this level the SC imba really showas though: p beats t beats z beats p... so ur saying Movie will 100% pwn FlaSh? Movie != godlike
That, and Z>P=T>Z.
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On January 16 2010 19:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:06 vRoOk wrote:On January 16 2010 19:05 Elroi wrote:On January 16 2010 19:00 jalstar wrote:On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent PvZ victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. seriously stop talking, you are the epitome of this stupid team liquid "everyone besides Jaedong/Flash/Bisu/Stork is bad" phenomenon. This. JDs vP is godlike. At this level the SC imba really showas though: p beats t beats z beats p... so ur saying Movie will 100% pwn FlaSh? Movie != godlike
Movie's micro against zergs is as good as Flash. But Movie's PvT and PvP isn't up to par with his PvZ yet.
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On January 16 2010 19:11 Qwertify wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:05 Shikyo wrote:On January 16 2010 18:59 Qwertify wrote:Just for clarification - there are not Protoss Bjws right? I think right now it is only:  BoxeR, NaDa, iloveoov, ans  sAviOr. ?? Yups, and if we were lenient we could add JD for his double OSL + insane ELO peak run and if Flash wins both leagues, him too. But I'm not sure if people are willing to accept these two, since their domination hasn't lasted that long. TY I suppose the the durationof one's domination is the real hurdle to be a Bonjwa. But any proathlete/e-athlete will tell you that consistency is that hardest thing, and will always urge that it should be the most respected.
If Jaedong beats Flash in the finals that would make 3 straight seasons of victories. What else does he need?
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On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent pvz victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B.
Just lol at this... Your post had absolutely nothing to do with what Shikyo wrote
I think game 2 could be recommended... game 3 only to see that shitton of cannons, but to me it pretty soon felt like this was already over. And I dont like watching games where one of the players just keeps on trying to crawl back but it's obvious he wont be able to.
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On January 16 2010 19:16 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent pvz victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. Just lol at this... Your post had absolutely nothing to do with what Shikyo wrote
I don't care, I just wanted to point that out, and it does have some relevance to why none of the games should be recommended.
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On January 16 2010 19:13 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:11 Qwertify wrote:On January 16 2010 19:05 Shikyo wrote:On January 16 2010 18:59 Qwertify wrote:Just for clarification - there are not Protoss Bjws right? I think right now it is only: BoxeR, NaDa, iloveoov, ans sAviOr. ?? Yups, and if we were lenient we could add JD for his double OSL + insane ELO peak run and if Flash wins both leagues, him too. But I'm not sure if people are willing to accept these two, since their domination hasn't lasted that long. TY I suppose the the durationof one's domination is the real hurdle to be a Bonjwa. But any proathlete/e-athlete will tell you that consistency is that hardest thing, and will always urge that it should be the most respected. If Jaedong beats Flash in the finals that would make 3 straight seasons of victories. What else does he need?
To have the highest ELO during that same period. The gap between Jaedong and Flash right now is vast. That is because Flash has been dominating Proleague and Starleague with trendsetting play, while Jaedong has only managed, in comparison, to get into the finals of the MSL (Flash at this point is in 2) I just don't see anyone being named Bonjwa at the time someone is playing better than they are.
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On January 16 2010 19:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
also s-class T > Z and s-class Z > P but s-class P is not always > T
S-class T hasn't been > Z pretty much since July took down OOV. Savior, GGplay and JD all managed to beat the very best terrans of their time on a constant basis.
Flash right now has the best tvz by far, but 2-0ing JD is not enough of a proof that T>Z on this level. If he 3-0s JD in the finals things may look differently, but as of now I feel only zvp is a little favored towards z on the highest level. All other matchups are fine.
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On January 16 2010 19:17 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:16 7mk wrote:On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent pvz victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. Just lol at this... Your post had absolutely nothing to do with what Shikyo wrote I don't care, I just wanted to point that out, and it does have some relevance to why Kal got such a beating.
But it didnt have any revelance to which of the games should be recommended which is all that shikyo's post is about ?
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On January 16 2010 19:10 skronch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
also s-class T > Z and s-class Z > P but s-class P is not always > T its because terran are imba
wtf? Where were you when Flash had a terrible record against the dragons and was 0-3 against Best and only fantasy could tvp besides him? and even then he was dropping games to stork and bisu? omfg rage
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On January 16 2010 19:05 jalstar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:02 Qwertify wrote:On January 16 2010 19:00 jalstar wrote:On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent PvZ victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. seriously stop talking, you are the epitome of this stupid team liquid "everyone besides Jaedong/Flash/Bisu/Stork is bad" phenomenon. lol why stork, he is the prince of silver. lol he went from the "lol he always gets second place except that one time" guy to massively loved after that picture thread was posted.
And he got 2nd place at WCG as well recently.
I love stork too, but that doesn't mean I think he is one of the top player consistently, or plays one a level above other players. But whatever, point taken.
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On January 16 2010 19:18 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:17 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 19:16 7mk wrote:On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote:On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote:
Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent pvz victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. Just lol at this... Your post had absolutely nothing to do with what Shikyo wrote I don't care, I just wanted to point that out, and it does have some relevance to why Kal got such a beating. But it didnt have any revelance to which of the games should be recommended which is all that shikyo's post is about ?
It's relevant because I explained why Kal played so poorly against Jaedong and why none of the games should be recommended. But I should of directly answered his question.
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On January 16 2010 19:18 Qwertify wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:13 jalstar wrote:On January 16 2010 19:11 Qwertify wrote:On January 16 2010 19:05 Shikyo wrote:On January 16 2010 18:59 Qwertify wrote:Just for clarification - there are not Protoss Bjws right? I think right now it is only: BoxeR, NaDa, iloveoov, ans sAviOr. ?? Yups, and if we were lenient we could add JD for his double OSL + insane ELO peak run and if Flash wins both leagues, him too. But I'm not sure if people are willing to accept these two, since their domination hasn't lasted that long. TY I suppose the the durationof one's domination is the real hurdle to be a Bonjwa. But any proathlete/e-athlete will tell you that consistency is that hardest thing, and will always urge that it should be the most respected. If Jaedong beats Flash in the finals that would make 3 straight seasons of victories. What else does he need? To have the highest ELO during that same period. The gap between Jaedong and Flash right now is vast.
This is really fucking ridiculous if you think about, considering JD is at 2300+
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And on a side note, if Flash does 3-0 Jaedong, Bisu will still have a higher Peak ELO than him.
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On January 16 2010 19:24 Kyuukyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2010 19:18 Qwertify wrote:On January 16 2010 19:13 jalstar wrote:On January 16 2010 19:11 Qwertify wrote:On January 16 2010 19:05 Shikyo wrote:On January 16 2010 18:59 Qwertify wrote:Just for clarification - there are not Protoss Bjws right? I think right now it is only: BoxeR, NaDa, iloveoov, ans sAviOr. ?? Yups, and if we were lenient we could add JD for his double OSL + insane ELO peak run and if Flash wins both leagues, him too. But I'm not sure if people are willing to accept these two, since their domination hasn't lasted that long. TY I suppose the the durationof one's domination is the real hurdle to be a Bonjwa. But any proathlete/e-athlete will tell you that consistency is that hardest thing, and will always urge that it should be the most respected. If Jaedong beats Flash in the finals that would make 3 straight seasons of victories. What else does he need? To have the highest ELO during that same period. The gap between Jaedong and Flash right now is vast. This is really fucking ridiculous if you think about, considering JD is at 2300+
Flash = 2397
Jadng = 2307
That is a 90 point difference. That is ridiculous.
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