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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu275/Fontong2/msl2.png) 2009 NATE MSL Semifinal B 1.16.10 @ 17:00 KST  Kal vs  Jaedong< Set 1: Match Point > < Set 2: Fighting Spirit > < Set 3: Ultimatum > < Set 4: Odd-Eye > < Set 5: Match Point > Results: + Show Spoiler + Set 1, 2, 3: Kal < Jaedong Recommended Games: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
I love Kal, but JD v Flash is just too appealing. Shame I won't be able to stream though. Blasted computer  . | ||
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G5
United States2898 Posts
My mind says Kal Yes that isn't typed backwards... wow this will be good :D | ||
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konadora
Singapore66156 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
I don't think lightning's gonna strike twice but people are writing Kal off WAY too easily. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
jaedong should takes this 3-1... 3-2 if gets unlucky | ||
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aznanimedude
United States199 Posts
it's likely that flash will win the MSL :\ | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
I was wondering why the vods weren't up yet | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
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Lurker87
United States172 Posts
This very well could be the Year of Flash! MSL and OSL titles :o It'd be such a horrible blow if he ends up getting neither XD | ||
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seRapH
United States9756 Posts
give me the tears of jd fanboys >:D | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
So I am rooting for Jaedong. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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Lebesgue
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And to make a thread a bit more spicy, a small discussion about balance of ZvP: oldie but goldie  | ||
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amanet
Croatia334 Posts
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XiaoLongNuSucks
Burkina Faso285 Posts
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Moletrap
United States1297 Posts
On January 16 2010 12:18 G5 wrote: My heart says Jaedong My mind says Kal Yes that isn't typed backwards... wow this will be good :D Really? Wow, yeah, that's totally reversed, haha.. No, seriously though, Kal has a lot better chance than people give him credit for I think. You're right, either way it's going to rock. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 16 2010 15:45 Lebesgue wrote: As much as I like Kal, Jaedong will win. Probably 3:1. But I hope for an epic series. And to make a thread a bit more spicy, a small discussion about balance of ZvP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oRsV5u5fKc oldie but goldie <3 hoping for good games! :D | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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saikeraku
Canada2933 Posts
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pR0gR4m3R
Spain1446 Posts
Beware, Kal´s PvZ is on fire, and may cause more than serious trouble | ||
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Marl
United States692 Posts
gogogo 5 sets and then whoever wins go 3-0 flash | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Oz even gave him a free day off in the PL, Kal has like no chance. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On January 16 2010 12:22 Plexa wrote: Here's hoping Kal comes in with some revolutionary shit and tears JD a new one! i hope you wont LR this one | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
TY! | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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IPS.Mardow.
Germany713 Posts
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
Get your revenge! | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Assymptotic
United States552 Posts
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blue_arrow
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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RisingTide
Australia769 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
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Ideas
United States8085 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Props to sc2gg for playing the last JD vs Kal match while waiting for the actual matches to start <3 | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:05 Ideas wrote: where's kona or someone to translate pregame interviews? lol Abascus is chillin out in my channel translating these interviews. | ||
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super_toast
United States269 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
jd hasnt been messing around this msl | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
(edit: Roffles clearing the chat didnt help either:-p) | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
jd has a history of shitting on him | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
JD is his usual sleep deprived self | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:08 538 wrote: Could someone give a basic idea of what they were talking about? (edit: Roffles clearing the chat didnt help either:-p) I'd copy paste from the stream chat but roffles cleared it | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
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FantomX
Canada247 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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Gyabo
United States329 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:10 EpiK wrote: omg what song is playing on roffles stream right now ya seriously this song is win....or something... | ||
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IPS.Mardow.
Germany713 Posts
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:10 GhostKorean wrote: They talked about their conditions, their confidence, what they think the decisive game will be, and why they thumbed down the maps they did. JD and Kal both said they practiced only with their team mates. That's the general gist of it Except Kal came off as expecting to lose, saying he's confident in his PvZ but not against Jaedong, etc. | ||
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FantomX
Canada247 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:10 EpiK wrote: omg what song is playing on roffles stream right now http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=110104 | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:10 Gyabo wrote: ya seriously this song is win....or something... sup andrew! ^^ | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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FantomX
Canada247 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
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Archon_Wing
United States378 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:11 blade55555 wrote: Such a lame song >< Their crew has nothing on my boy Ummer from 1999: | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
funny lolol.. | ||
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
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Gyabo
United States329 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
Go go Jaedong and Fighting!  | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
"5 minute rule abuser" anyone remember playing b.net ladder back in 1999 or so and when someone 4-pooled, you had time to quit and take the draw when the lings hit your base | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:16 raga4ka wrote: If Kal takes the first game this series will be decent . Yep, at least it'll last 4 games. | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Ideas
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Xeln4g4
Italy1209 Posts
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DefectiveGnome
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:18 jonich0n wrote: lmao, Roffles' desktop wallpaper = pandabear guy doing another pandabearguy from behind... ... If you could only see the rest of my wallpaper. | ||
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Caos2
United States1728 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:17 lazz wrote: who else here liquibetted kal>? Who cares about liquibet points? STX FTW!!!  | ||
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Xeln4g4
Italy1209 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:18 Ideas wrote: holy shit are there seriously 3000+ people on roffles stream? For Flash vs Kwanro there were peak of 6000+ people around the 3rd game ... | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:18 Ideas wrote: holy shit are there seriously 3000+ people on roffles stream? CHINA | ||
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:19 Roffles wrote: If you could only see the rest of my wallpaper. :sigh: if only... one can dream... | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:19 Roffles wrote: If you could only see the rest of my wallpaper. hahahah yea that's mine too | ||
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
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Slow Motion
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
jaedong @ 7 kal @ 1 | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
I'm guessing its this: http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4534/178920.jpg On January 16 2010 17:21 Slow Motion wrote: roffles needs to talk about tibetan independence in his stream, try to get that shit blocked in china and run more smooth for the rest of us LOL | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:21 Slow Motion wrote: roffles needs to talk about tibetan independence in his stream, try to get that shit blocked in china and run more smooth for the rest of us might actually work, just put free tibet on the label | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Kal starting off with a Natural Hatchery pylon block. JD is undeterred. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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prototype.
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saikeraku
Canada2933 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
2 get through | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
I am sort of streaming as well. No guarantee its as good as the others | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
make that 4 total | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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prototype.
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saikeraku
Canada2933 Posts
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
MAKE THAT 4 | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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prototype.
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Kal loses his first Zealot to lings! Already not looking too good for him. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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saikeraku
Canada2933 Posts
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
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prototype.
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meeple
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meeple
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Kal going standard 1 gate sair and standard citadel timing right now. | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
That was not good | ||
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saikeraku
Canada2933 Posts
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prototype.
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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meeple
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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Mekk
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
killed off quite a few probes at natural | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
kal sending out slow zeals.. mutas deal with them | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
no storm so kal has to cannon | ||
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4721 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
jd pumping hydras 2 more zealots goes down for kal only cannons and 1 dragoon to defend the upcoming hydra+muta attack | ||
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
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Xeln4g4
Italy1209 Posts
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IPS.Mardow.
Germany713 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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super_toast
United States269 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
Get your shit together man! | ||
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meeple
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
dt gets into expansion at 11, kills 2 drones before it dies | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
tons of gates and probes cut... or maybe hes just trying to get a big army to just get a 3rd lol.. | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
JD has lurks. JD is going to run over Kal if this continues... | ||
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
LURKERS EVERYWHERE FOR JD | ||
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meeple
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GTR
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
wat? | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
kal is so fucked | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
it's 4 base to 2 base | ||
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
The storms from Kal weren't that great either... | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
jd is pumping mass lings | ||
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saikeraku
Canada2933 Posts
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
JD IS GOING PURE ZERGLINGS | ||
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
GG from Kal. Sigh. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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kyzers0ze
Singapore1073 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
GG by Kal! | ||
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4721 Posts
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saikeraku
Canada2933 Posts
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IPS.Mardow.
Germany713 Posts
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dl2agon
United States473 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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integral
United States3156 Posts
just RAPED | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Gumbo
Canada807 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
Great cast my Moletrap and his partner | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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OSWater
United States1343 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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oatboy
United States198 Posts
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
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kOre
Canada3642 Posts
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Sentient66
United States651 Posts
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Nokeboy
United States1009 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Kal couldn't accomplish a single thing, JD was 10 times better at everything. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2748 Posts
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
Jaedong vs Flash final is going to be GLORIOUS. | ||
KwarK
United States42516 Posts
If you can't micro probes against lings don't use nex before cannon vs overpool on Match Point. It doesn't cost you as much as taking the risk and getting lingraped. | ||
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bitchaRd[raGe]
Russian Federation376 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
Absolutely nothing went right for Kal. | ||
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GTR
51432 Posts
that is a long time since i've had that thought in my head | ||
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:36 KwarK wrote: Dear Kal. If you can't micro probes against lings don't use nex before cannon vs overpool on Match Point. It doesn't cost you as much as taking the risk and getting lingraped. yeah for real he couldve built a cannon in his main and come out ahead of what he did lololol | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:36 Xxio wrote: Did you guys see Jaedong's face after that game? Hollly shit he looked so fucking angry and focused. Jesus christ I've never seen that before. You should watch Jaedong's games. He's pretty cool a player. | ||
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
DTS ON TOP | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:36 GTR wrote: i could not find a single flaw in jaedongs play then. that is a long time since i've had that thought in my head Kal made it pretty easy for him | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:34 oatboy wrote: Jaedong is not fucking around today. Jaedong the Bulgarian | ||
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
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spetial
United States688 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:36 GTR wrote: i could not find a single flaw in jaedongs play then. that is a long time since i've had that thought in my head Yeah right from the start he seemed ahead, I never thought Kal was in with a chance after he lost the sair. | ||
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strontium
Canada40 Posts
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jonich0n
United States1982 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:36 GTR wrote: i could not find a single flaw in jaedongs play then. that is a long time since i've had that thought in my head you should watch Flash play more often then. | ||
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:36 GTR wrote: i could not find a single flaw in jaedongs play then. that is a long time since i've had that thought in my head What about Flash vs JD? | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:37 prototype. wrote: looks like jaedong really wants to destroy flash in the finals I am so pumped for it too ^^ | ||
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Ideas
United States8085 Posts
hopefully kal was purposefully playing so bad the 1st game. | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2748 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
Jaedong vs. Flash final - one step closer! | ||
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Jaedong played flawlessly vs Flash lolwut? | ||
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Seijuro
52 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:36 Xxio wrote: Did you guys see Jaedong's face after that game? Hollly shit he looked so fucking angry and focused. Jesus christ I've never seen that before. oh my god, really? oh god.. oh god...holy shit holy shit, how amazing..... oh god... amazing ! good u noticed that, thanks for this very interesting post !! oh god !!! JD, wow..he looked so angry and focused yea, amazing........ wow..n/c | ||
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R A V
United States217 Posts
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Fx_
503 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:34 OSWater wrote: Holy shit. Jaedong WANTS Flash. Wrong FlaSh WANTS Jaedong | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:39 jalstar wrote: Jaedong played flawlessly vs Flash lolwut? No. Flash did. | ||
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SayGG
Germany676 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
That doesn't even make sense in context. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
they've got a little bro-mance going | ||
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ryuu_
United States1266 Posts
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dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
but kal fucked up really really badly at the beginning.. you dont go forge nexus 1 cannon gateway, then have your first sair die to scourge before they can kill 1 overlord.. youre pretty behind at that point.. not to mention the muta damage was intense (which was largely due to kals delayed tech) | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:39 Seijuro wrote: oh my god, really? oh god.. oh god...holy shit holy shit, how amazing..... oh god... amazing ! good u noticed that, thanks for this very interesting post !! oh god !!! JD, wow..he looked so angry and focused yea, amazing........ wow..n/c you're a cool dude | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:39 jalstar wrote: Jaedong played flawlessly vs Flash lolwut? Nunu i mean Flash played perfect ofc. But reading his post again i can see he meant only JD, my bad xD | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Why would GTR think "i could not find a single flaw in jaedongs play" in response to Flash owning him?? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
Nah, JD wouldn't cheat on Lomo | ||
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Seijuro
52 Posts
it suxx | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
he already did with backho i think | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
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FantomX
Canada247 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:41 Seijuro wrote: what is this fucking wannabe rapshit about starcraft on roffles stream? it suxx There is a mute button buddy. Lol, nice response time indeed. | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:40 dekuschrub wrote: yeah jd played a pretty rape game but kal fucked up really really badly at the beginning.. you dont go forge nexus 1 cannon gateway, then have your first sair die to scourge before they can kill 1 overlord.. youre pretty behind at that point.. not to mention the muta damage was intense (which was largely due to kals delayed tech) To be fair, Kal had no idea Muta was coming since JD got early second gas at this third. Donglings <3 | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On January 16 2010 17:41 Seijuro wrote: what is this fucking wannabe rapshit about starcraft on roffles stream? it suxx That was a fast ban. O.o Couldn't have been 5 seconds. | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5094 Posts
On January 16 2010 15:45 Lebesgue wrote: As much as I like Kal, Jaedong will win. Probably 3:1. But I hope for an epic series. And to make a thread a bit more spicy, a small discussion about balance of ZvP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oRsV5u5fKc oldie but goldie hahahaha yea thats me and alf back in highschool | ||
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prototype.
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jaedong @ 5 kal @ 1 | ||
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Malinor
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On January 16 2010 17:41 Seijuro wrote: what is this fucking wannabe rapshit about starcraft on roffles stream? it suxx temp banned already? Good work. | ||
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vRoOk
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as in where can i listen to it?! | ||
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On January 16 2010 17:42 Avidkeystamper wrote: That was a fast ban. O.o Couldn't have been 5 seconds. Would have life banned him had I seen that last post, dunno how to change the duration now. Lucky guy. | ||
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On January 16 2010 17:43 vRoOk wrote: seriously though what was that kesha parody song? as in where can i listen to it?! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=110104 | ||
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On January 16 2010 17:40 jalstar wrote: Why would GTR think "i could not find a single flaw in jaedongs play" in response to Flash owning him?? Omg. You really don't get it, do you? GTR said "that is a long time since i've had that thought in my head", probably referring to flawless play in general, that's what I thought anyways. So people started asking themselves why it is that it is such a long time since he had that thought because Flash played some flawless games too recently, e.g. vs. Jaedong. | ||
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dekuschrub
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Jd lings > kal hahahah | ||
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Edit- I don't play toss, I'm not sure why I tried to predict things | ||
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On January 16 2010 17:49 n.DieJokes wrote: odd sunken placement from jd; in front of his simcity He knew goons were coming and it's better placement for them. | ||
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kal has too many corsairs | ||
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On January 16 2010 17:50 Kyuukyuu wrote: LOL wow kal. traps 2 probes behind his min line.. stack sairs to avoid efficient cloning | ||
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JAEDONG LOSES SO MANY MUTALISKS TO THE CORSAIRS KAL PUSHING INTO EXPANSION AT 7 jaedong manages to defend it but corsairs still doing so much damage | ||
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WE HAVE A GAME | ||
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Mystlord
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Kal is meanwhile raping A TON OF OVERLORDS! and taking his third. Holy ffff that's a lot of scourge for JD though... | ||
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On January 16 2010 17:54 Chen wrote: WE HAVE A GAME +100 | ||
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dekuschrub
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that was some great defense | ||
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kal still pumping corsairs from 2 stargates | ||
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Mystlord
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He's taking both a third and a fourth... Still harassing with a mass of sairs though, good job keeping JD on his toes. | ||
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lmao 2 lurkers just walk into kal's 3rd edit: typo | ||
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Mystlord
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NO OBS for Kal is hurting him a lot at this point. | ||
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dekuschrub
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kills a bonus one hahahaha | ||
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Catyoul
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lurkers killing a bunch of probes at kal's third | ||
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kal needs DTS at 3rd.. with all those sairs they are so strong.. | ||
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comon kal!! | ||
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plague hits the sairs !! | ||
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DoX.)
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damn all the sairs get caught! | ||
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jaedong starting to move out dt drop at 7 | ||
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Not good for JD, but somehow he looks content. | ||
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is there 6k users on Roffles's stream? that is fucking sick, i never knew the tl streams were this popular. :O | ||
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SICK SICK SICK | ||
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swarm + plague goes up at 12 jaedong drops at kal's main all of this happened at nearly the same time | ||
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konadora
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"I can multi-task better than you." HOLY FUCK huge storms though | ||
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kal can't keep up | ||
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integral
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jaedong's multitask is insane | ||
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konadora
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nice | ||
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EtherealDeath
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GAME IS GOOD! /stamp_of_approval | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
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And Im not saying Kal is bad in general But he is no match for jeadong.. Kal was massively ahead in this game He lacks timing.. everything.. T_T | ||
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prototype.
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jaedong pressuring kal's natural JAEDONG PUSHES INTO NATURAL natural is destroyed | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:01 dekuschrub wrote: kal is no bisu thats fosho He's trying to multi-task just not getting the results he needs. JD has 2 lurks in the main and is trying to bust the natural. 3 useless reavers at third base. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:01 Devolved wrote: This game is not ending any time soon. Ok, I was wrong. Jaedong just rapes out of nowhere. | ||
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Kal GG's | ||
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evanthebouncy!
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epic game, kal fought well but not good enuf!! | ||
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GG and great fucking play by JD that was sick kal gj for making a game out of it buddddyyyy | ||
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kal GG's | ||
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I cannot believe that multitasking. | ||
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Thought Jaedong was fucked earlier on but damn that was EPIC! | ||
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Jaedong > Flash in MSL finals o.o | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:05 Highways wrote: Kal blew his advantage by losing his whole army attacking the SimCity which did no damage. That was a really close attack, especially right after all the mutalisks died and corsairs raping overlords. | ||
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dekuschrub
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he was fucking everywhere on the map with that shit swarming 12, dropping the main, and flanking kals army out in the middle SO GOOD | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Jesus Christ Jaedong is a monster. Jaedong > Flash in MSL finals o.o ZvP =/= ZvT He can't hold a candle to Flash atm. Jaedong's current ZvT is questionable at best, while Flash's TvZ is invincible. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:05 nozaro33 wrote: Wow Jaedong's ZvP is SOO good... Maybe Jaedong will break a ZvP winning streak? he just did lol | ||
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Qwertify
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Then he also had some poor storms. Instead of storming the middle of a clump of units, he consistently storms some adjacent area. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:06 Mooncat wrote: ZvP =/= ZvT He can't hold a candle to Flash atm. Jaedong's current ZvT is questionable at best, while Flash's TvZ is invincible. I don't really see his question ZvT, more untested. It's not on the level of Flash's TvZ, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be. Maybe it's bad for Jaedong. | ||
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EpiK
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On January 16 2010 18:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Jesus Christ Jaedong is a monster. Jaedong > Flash in MSL finals o.o ZvT is much harder than ZvP... not to mention flash is much better than kal in all aspects | ||
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dekuschrub
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kal had 3-4 reavers at his 3rd but 0 in his main/nat.. as well as 1 measly cannon jd just rolled downt he front door hahaha | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:07 FranzF1 wrote: JD wants his own amazing ZvP streak... like flash TvT streak or TvZ.. JD wants revenge and he wants to reclaim the spot of the Best SC player. I still would say JD is the best sc player. If Flash ends up beating Jaedong in the MSL finals then flash will be considered the best player and will be placed #1 in the Kespa rankings or w/e is what the commentators said. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Jeadong was really behind man.. Kal is not on the same level.. | ||
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Exteray
United States1094 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:08 Qwertify wrote: Roffles, what is this song you are playing? It's from a famous Korean pianist Yiruma. I dont know which song though | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:07 Avidkeystamper wrote: I don't really see his question ZvT, more untested. It's not on the level of Flash's TvZ, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be. Maybe it's bad for Jaedong. True. Untested is probably more accurate. He didn't look sharp against Flash in the OSL and in his PL game against Sea though. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:08 EpiK wrote: ZvT is much harder than ZvP... not to mention flash is much better than kal in all aspects It's not the gameplay, it's Jaedong's attitude. You can feel the rage, he is hungry to just crush Flash in the finals in revenge... | ||
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:09 Exteray wrote: It's from a famous Korean pianist Yiruma. I dont know which song though It's not yiruma...it's the main theme to chrono cross JAEDONG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:09 Mooncat wrote: True. Untested is probably more accurate. He didn't look sharp against Flash in the OSL though. Yeah, and that was a markably better map pool. Hope Jaedong finds some better strategies against Flash's TvZ. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:03 konadora wrote: Kal you had 4 gas and you didn't have a single reaver nice Kal had reavers but didn't have the time to use them .... | ||
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Exteray
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On January 16 2010 18:09 asdfTT123 wrote: It's not yiruma...it's the main theme to chrono cross JAEDONG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash ohh oops Yiruma was the song before that | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:08 blade55555 wrote: I still would say JD is the best sc player. If Flash ends up beating Jaedong in the MSL finals then flash will be considered the best player and will be placed #1 in the Kespa rankings or w/e is what the commentators said. how could you say jd is better than flash right now? flash has done better in proleague, is in both league finals, and won the last time they met, plus hes just looked invincible the entire season while jd has had some shaky games here and there. | ||
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meeple
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On January 16 2010 18:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: It's not the gameplay, it's Jaedong's attitude. You can feel the rage, he is hungry to just crush Flash in the finals in revenge... Well... I'd say its a little of the gameplay. The multitasking and macro in that game was amazing | ||
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Roffles
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On January 16 2010 18:08 Qwertify wrote: Roffles, what is this song you are playing? First song was definitely To Zanarkand from the FFX soundtrack. Second song was Chrono Cross's Time's Scar. | ||
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prototype.
Canada4200 Posts
jaedong @ 5 kal @ 2 | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
...so JD added 2-3 more fronts. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:10 Qwertify wrote: Flash raped Jaedong in the OSL Ro16 I think it was. I hope it is not going to be a repeat. To be frank though 1 standard game yes flash outplayed Jaedong then cheesed a second. He won't be able to do the same in the finals of the MSL Bo5 ftw lets see if Flash can handle it against the one and only JD | ||
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FantomX
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![[image loading]](http://i47.tinypic.com/wjz6u0.jpg) This guy is angry! | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:08 Ideas wrote: man when did JD's macro get THAT good? jesus christ he always had like 20 more supply than kal or something after the 6 minute mark lol. what are u talking about man ? seriously ? T_T | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:10 Qwertify wrote: Flash raped Jaedong in the OSL Ro16 I think it was. I hope it is not going to be a repeat. It probably will be. this SL season has been nothing but rape after rape after rape. Quick disappointing | ||
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Qwertify
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On January 16 2010 18:09 asdfTT123 wrote: It's not yiruma...it's the main theme to chrono cross JAEDONG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash lol okay, that is what I thought. I think I will check out Yiruma anyways.. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:11 Catyoul wrote: Not sure what the best vP streak was but savior had 11 and Flash had 12. Jaedong is sitting at 13 now, maybe 14 after next game ! Its actually at 15 right now is what people said on Roffle's stream and one of the guys translating the korean speak says thats what they said too. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:11 Catyoul wrote: Not sure what the best vP streak was but savior had 11 and Flash had 12. Jaedong is sitting at 13 now, maybe 14 after next game ! I thought it was 15... am I mistaken? | ||
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
nope the last one was not yiruma either...it was To Zanarkand from FFX | ||
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ErOs_LeO
Australia270 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:07 Qwertify wrote: Kal lost because his drops failed. 3 Dts and instead of sniping drones he goes for the spore when Overlord is nearby. Then he drop lots into a drone line with enemy units nearby. Then he also had some poor storms. Instead of storming the middle of a clump of units, he consistently storms some adjacent area. poor storms?? have we watched the same game? JvP is just imba imo | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5594 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:06 Mooncat wrote: ZvP =/= ZvT He can't hold a candle to Flash atm. Jaedong's current ZvT is questionable at best, while Flash's TvZ is invincible. Questionable at best??? He's got fucking 2201 vT elo (= 2nd in the world). | ||
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:13 DoX.) wrote: lol? 2 probes going for the early harass rofl (?) | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:12 ErOs_LeO wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 16 2010 18:07 Qwertify wrote: Kal lost because his drops failed. 3 Dts and instead of sniping drones he goes for the spore when Overlord is nearby. Then he drop lots into a drone line with enemy units nearby. Then he also had some poor storms. Instead of storming the middle of a clump of units, he consistently storms some adjacent area. poor storms?? have we watched the same game? JvP is just imba imo yeah, maybe you need to take off your tinted glasses, but Kal's storms in the first two games were pretty poor. hes had very few good ones, but made major mistakes like completely missing alot and actually missed a burrowed lurker | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:11 Shatter wrote: Jaedong really is the most impressive player to watch. Much more than Flash. Yeah, in terms of watchability - Bisu and Jaedong are much more exciting than Flash. Unless it gets into really late game, than Flash can be exciting as well. That is probably because Flash just calculates all the odds, find the best path to take at every moment, and then just builds up momentum until he can't be stopped. If you break his momentum, i.e. Flash vs. Calm set 2, then you can beat him. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:15 Qwertify wrote: Yeah, in terms of watchability - Bisu and Jaedong are much more exciting than Flash. Unless it gets into really late game, than Flash can be exciting as well. That is probably because Flash just calculates all the odds, find the best path to take at every moment, and then just builds up momentum until he can't be stopped. If you break his momentum, i.e. Flash vs. Calm set 2, then you can beat him. or because Terrans cant be as flashy as Protoss or Zergs in early game... | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:15 Chen wrote: why would you take away WCG Korea, its a KeSPA sanctioned event is it not? Yes, but they don't count it in official records, I don't know why. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:15 Chen wrote: why would you take away WCG Korea, its a KeSPA sanctioned event is it not? it's not 'official' recall that you could chat there | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:16 iLoveKT wrote: or because Terrans cant be as flashy as Protoss or Zergs in early game... Fantasy? | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:11 Shatter wrote: That is probably because Flash just calculates all the odds, find the best path to take at every moment, and then just builds up momentum until he can't be stopped. If you break his momentum, i.e. Flash vs. Calm set 2, then you can beat him. Flash is all but entertaining ... camper style is not funny. In the final i am going to root for Jaedong even if he is Z and even if he beat Kal ... | ||
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Now they rally back and forth. Jaedong being very aggressive. Dual ports for Kal. | ||
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[QUOTE]On January 16 2010 18:15 Qwertify wrote: [QUOTE]On January 16 2010 18:11 Shatter wrote: That is probably because Flash just calculates all the odds, find the best path to take at every moment, and then just builds up momentum until he can't be stopped. If you break his momentum, i.e. Flash vs. Calm set 2, then you can beat him. [/QUOTE] Flash is all but entertaining ... camper style is not funny. In the final i am going to root for Jaedong even if he is Z and even if he beated Kal ... [/QUOTE] He doesn't really camp any more than other terrans. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:21 Roffles wrote: HOLY SHIT KAL. CANNON DEFENSE MUCH? I'm presuming that he needs those before he can properly transition to storms or reavers to hold it back, mass hydras and mutas that is. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:21 {88}iNcontroL wrote: uh lurker tech -> insta gg lol exactly what i was thinking, from a P's experience :D Jaedong not going for it though apparently | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:25 DoX.) wrote: 4TH UNDEFENDED now it is | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:25 Womwomwom wrote: Kal is so awful at casting storms. Really dude? It was right in the mineral lines. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:25 Womwomwom wrote: Kal is so awful at casting storms. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:18 IH4t3z3rg wrote: Flash is all but entertaining ... camper style is not funny. In the final i am going to root for Jaedong even if he is Z and even if he beat Kal ... camper style is not funny Blah blah blah but highly effective | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:25 Avidkeystamper wrote: Really dude? It was right in the mineral lines. it got 1 kill, which qualifies it as awful. he shoulda cast it more toward main, the obvious maynard destination | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:25 Avidkeystamper wrote: Really dude? It was right in the mineral lines. Look at storm after that one though. He had a choice between storming 1 hydras and 1 lords, or 4 hydras. He choose the former. Maybe he didn't have too much time to micro, I don't know. But last game they were bad as well. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:25 Avidkeystamper wrote: Really dude? It was right in the mineral lines. Casting it more near the spot where the drones would escape would obviously be better. Also the second storm hit like what half a hydra when there was tons of hydras clumped right over the storm. ;p | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:25 Avidkeystamper wrote: Really dude? It was right in the mineral lines. Yeah watch the 2nd cast where he tried to get the group of hydralisks. It might have got like one. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:26 Fx_ wrote: camper style is not funny Blah blah blah but highly effective srsly why are we back to this? No one argues that its not effective, the whole discussion is on whether or not its interesting to watch. lag into Kal getting his army raped, how expected | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:27 Womwomwom wrote: Yeah watch the 2nd cast where he tried to get the group of hydralisks. It might have got like one. I don't think that's the glaring error you should be focusing on. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:27 VorcePA wrote: Hey roffles: have you informed livestream about your viewers? I think they kinda freak out when you have 6k people watching. O_o Eventually I think they'll just shut him down... which will be a shame | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:29 FranzF1 wrote: =D Jaedong vs Flash finals MSL > OSL *-* if both finals end 3-0, this might qualify as the worst SL season ever. Not a single worth-watching BoX in either league this entire season | ||
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... Flash vs Jaedong finals! EPIC or what? | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:28 Chen wrote: srsly why are we back to this? No one argues that its not effective, the whole discussion is on whether or not its interesting to watch. Flash cannot really be accused of turtling anymore though. His TvZ is hyperaggressive, he has done 2 Base timing pushes in his last 5 or so TvP's and his TvT is the same as everyone else's (but better). | ||
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BASE EXCHANGE | ||
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OMG CMON KAL | ||
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KAL PUSHES INTO JAEDONG'S MAIN | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:29 meeple wrote: Eventually I think they'll just shut him down... which will be a shame Nah... I don't think that's the case. I run my own stream (which I haven't used in a while because I now have a shitty internet connection), and I was reading up on their FAQ and they like to get a heads up if you're going to have a bunch of people tuning in to your stream. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:31 konadora wrote: JAEDONG 2ND PLAYER (AFTER YELLOW) TO GET INTO MSL FINALS WITHOUT A LOSS And like Yellow, he's going to get 3-0ed there. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:33 meeple wrote: Kal gets the hive omg!!! I don't see why its a big deal when he still has the rest of his tech buildings... | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:32 MountainDewJunkie wrote: .... -___- Were all the games this one sided? I just tuned in. EDIT LOL MBC Lags for 80 seconds then all the sudden Jaedong lost 2 bases This is actually the most contested game ! | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:35 FireGuyX wrote: I laugh at the people that say Kal has better PvZ then Movie. You seen Jaedong's last two games against Movie? | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:34 Catyoul wrote: This is actually the most contested game ! That bad, huh? Well, too bad for Kal.But everybody gets the finals they wanted. Let the hype begin. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:37 Creationism wrote: Kal sucks, this is what happens when someone gets to the semis cuz of insurance (Hwasin) Hwasin v Jaedong would have been interesting actually | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:38 Qwertify wrote: Jaedong is 5-1 against Movie. 5:3 against Movie. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:37 FireGuyX wrote: Kal's PvZ looked somewhat mediocre, then again he was playing against Jaedong. Everyone looks mediocore against the dong. Looking foward to this fuckin epic msl finals. | ||
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how the fuck did kal blow that last game dear god i still wouldnt say these games sucked.. game 1 was really dumb, but 2 and 3 were pretty exciting! also JD vs flash finals= WINNNNN | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Kal is fourth highest ELO, I wonder what the new vP ELO peak is now... ha good question, daaaamn | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:37 skronch wrote: good day to be an Oz fan If only Jaedong scored 3 wins for me in Fantasy Proleage. | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:39 dekuschrub wrote: man these games make you appreciate a free's late game PvZ how the fuck did kal blow that last game dear god i still wouldnt say these games sucked.. game 1 was really dumb, but 2 and 3 were pretty exciting! also JD vs flash finals= WINNNNN When was kal ever in a position to blow the last game? | ||
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On January 16 2010 18:35 FireGuyX wrote: I laugh at the people that say Kal has better PvZ then Movie. maybe he has ... a series of games vs Jaedong is not the moment to judge Kal PvZ ability, which infact are very good. This mu is simply imba and Jaedong knows how to exploit this .... (13 win in a row ...). | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
I expect much more from Jaedong this time around. I think we will see some really unorthodox play. | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:38 SuperArc wrote: Jaedong UNDEFEATED in the MSL!!! 16-0 vP win streak, thats why there will never be a bonjwa. Flash is so hot, but so is Jaedong... If Flash 3-0s/3-1s Jaedong and takes both Star Leagues he will be the undisputed best player in the world though. | ||
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Canada6263 Posts
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:39 Avidkeystamper wrote: When was kal ever in a position to blow the last game? kal scouted jd's 2 base muta play the entire way. shouldn't this have been in favor of him? then again i don't know what he could have done | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:40 Mooncat wrote: If Flash 3-0s/3-1s Jaedong and takes both Star Leagues he will be the undisputed best player in the world though. He already is. For the last 2~3 months. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
Right you are. Honestly, how do I cut those last two games off? But if you take GOM out, it is 3-2. | ||
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sixduck
United States301 Posts
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Zinbiel
Sweden878 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:39 Avidkeystamper wrote: When was kal ever in a position to blow the last game? well, at least it was even in the countdown... | ||
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United States3443 Posts
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:40 Kyuukyuu wrote: edit: bad taste It was worse than that. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:41 sixduck wrote: never knew you could own someone so badly, I feel bad for Kal. Yeah I do feel for bad him, but his PvZ is not up to par with Bisu or Movie. He has very good PvT and PvP though. | ||
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Croatia132 Posts
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:41 Avidkeystamper wrote: He already is. For the last 2~3 months. Truth to be told, I just didn't dare to say the b-word. | ||
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Canada6263 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:39 Avidkeystamper wrote: When was kal ever in a position to blow the last game? When he defended JD's early attacks but then decided to add another billion cannons to make sure he doesnt come ahead out of it | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:35 FireGuyX wrote: I laugh at the people that say Kal has better PvZ then Movie. You seen Jaedong's last two games against Movie? + Show Spoiler + Repost On January 16 2010 18:43 7mk wrote: When he defended JD's early attacks but then decided to add another billion cannons to make sure he doesnt come ahead out of it Good point, he should've built around 10, not 15? Put him pretty behind. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
. Of course, whether JD's ZvT is as good as flash's....is a whole nother animal. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
Finally the dream finals is here | ||
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snarl
Canada812 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:42 Myrkul wrote: the finals are going to be something that will be talked about for years flash is going to rape jd just like he did in the quarters of OSL | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + dunno whom to root for ;./ | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:42 Myrkul wrote: the finals are going to be something that will be talked about for years Unless it turns into a 3-0 FvZ. | ||
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
Which it probably will. But that's all the more epic imo. | ||
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United States2717 Posts
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Myrkul
Croatia132 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:43 snarl wrote: flash is going to rape jd just like he did in the quarters of OSL we'll see, we'll see..... | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:43 Avidkeystamper wrote: You seen Jaedong's last two games against Movie? + Show Spoiler + Repost Good point, he should've built around 10, not 15? Put him pretty behind. And none of them were in a Bo3 or Bo5, and one of the wins was a useless OSL win. At Movie's current form, he's definitley able to take down Jaedong in a Bo5. I have yet to see Kal take down an S-Class ZvP zerg in a Bo3 or Bo5. | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:44 SuperArc wrote: What is Jaedong when he WOULD 3-0 Flash? You hallucinating, probably :> | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:43 Jakalo wrote: Flash vs Jaedong, Jaedong has never lost Bo5 to Flash + Show Spoiler + dunno whom to root for ;./ ha, a zerg KT fan, not surprised you dont know who to root for :p just be glad either one's gonna win | ||
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whathappened
United States213 Posts
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Weryeery
288 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:45 skronch wrote: lol remember what happened last time jd faced flash in a final coming in as an underdog? | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:45 Mooncat wrote: Which it probably will. But that's all the more epic imo. i wouldn't completely write jd off. a split bo3 is different than a bo5. i still think flash will win, but maybe not a 3-0. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:48 Tekin wrote: If flash drops 2 games on OSL Finals, that pretty much says that Jaedong is gonna win MSL. If Flash wins the OSL, he has all the momentum to take down Jaedong in the MSL. | ||
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France84 Posts
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:49 FireGuyX wrote: If Flash wins the OSL, he has all the momentum to take down Jaedong in the MSL. or he'll have a week long hangover | ||
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Finland33997 Posts
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:51 EvoChamber wrote: haha epic | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:52 Qwertify wrote: Well if Flash wins both Starleagues, and continues to dominate in Proleague and Starleague for another year, I guess we will have yet another Terran Bonjwa. Who else is not as enthused as I am about this? If he does that well, I wouldn't mind because just the sheer nature of Starcraft makes it so easy to slip up or a game or two and get knocked out early. Especially in group stages. Of course, it he leaves a couple of SLs for Jaedong. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:49 Ser Aspi wrote: Jaedong is super scary! I thought Kal mightve done realy well but he looked helpless. But unfortunately Jaedong doesn't have an easy draw this time around so we will have to be content with another silver for him. Not saying finals are already decided but I CANNOT see Flash losing in his current form especially on these Terran maps. Yeah Flash's micro, macro, and game sense is too good. Zero, Calm, and Kwanro all put up a good fight and failed, Jaedong already failed and will fail again. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
I thought Kal would at least be able to take off a single game off of Jaedong instead of just getting 3-0'd T_T | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:52 Qwertify wrote: Well if Flash wins both Starleagues, and continues to dominate in Proleague and Starleague for another year, I guess we will have yet another Terran Bonjwa. Who else is not as enthused as I am about this? Honestly, I would rather have BISU as a bonjwa.... But unfortuantely, your fears and mine for that matter might be realized sooner than you think. As elated as I was that JD completely dominated Kal, this sets up the perfect scenario for flash to be crowned a Bonjwa. Think about it. He's broken records. All kinds of records. 2407 ELO, 23 TVT win streak.... AND he wins the OSL, AND he wins the MSL AT THE SAME TIME, against arguably the best player ever? I shudder just thinking about it. Terrans are humans. They're greedy by nature. It doesn't matter that there have been 3 terran bonjwas in the past, they're still clamoring for more more more. | ||
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Shatter
United States1401 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:55 Shikyo wrote: Recommended games none? I think that game 1 was pretty epic rape, but still both games 2 and 3 could be recommended. I've seen a lot worse games being recommended before. If you look at Kal's recent pvz victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
 BoxeR, NaDa, iloveoov, ans sAviOr.?? | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote: If you look at Kal's recent PvZ victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. seriously stop talking, you are the epitome of this stupid team liquid "everyone besides Jaedong/Flash/Bisu/Stork is bad" phenomenon. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:00 jalstar wrote: seriously stop talking, you are the epitome of this stupid team liquid "everyone besides Jaedong/Flash/Bisu/Stork is bad" phenomenon. I like Kal, I'm a fan of him, and believe it or not I'm not a fan of Jaedong. I was disappointed in Kal's play, and that's the truth he has yet to beat an s-class pvz player. And calm down you crazy piece of shit. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:00 jalstar wrote: seriously stop talking, you are the epitome of this stupid team liquid "everyone besides Jaedong/Flash/Bisu/Stork is bad" phenomenon. lol why stork, he is the prince of silver. lol | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote: If you look at Kal's recent pvz victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. I'm saying the games deserve recommendation imo, where'd you get Kal's PvZ history lessons from? | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5594 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:00 jalstar wrote: seriously stop talking, you are the epitome of this stupid team liquid "everyone besides Jaedong/Flash/Bisu/Stork is bad" phenomenon. This. JDs vP is godlike. At this level the SC imba really showas though: p beats t beats z beats p... | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:02 Qwertify wrote: lol why stork, he is the prince of silver. lol he went from the "lol he always gets second place except that one time" guy to massively loved after that picture thread was posted. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:59 Qwertify wrote: Just for clarification - there are not Protoss Bjws right? I think right now it is only: BoxeR, NaDa, iloveoov, ans sAviOr.?? Yups, and if we were lenient we could add JD for his double OSL + insane ELO peak run and if Flash wins both leagues, him too. But I'm not sure if people are willing to accept these two, since their domination hasn't lasted that long. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:03 Shikyo wrote: I'm saying the games deserve recommendation imo, where'd you get Kal's PvZ history lessons from? Some people were actually surprised that Jaedong smoked Kal, I wasn't. Why did he put 20 cannons in his natural? Why did he sent out an army to attack one of Jaedong's expansion? Either Jaedong is too good or Kal never great pvz in the first place is my point. | ||
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:05 Elroi wrote: This. JDs vP is godlike. At this level the SC imba really showas though: p beats t beats z beats p... so ur saying Movie will 100% pwn FlaSh? | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
Movie != godlike | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:06 FireGuyX wrote: Some people were actually surprised that Jaedong smoked Kal, I wasn't. Why did he put 20 cannons in his natural? Why did he sent out an army to attack one of Jaedong's expansion? Either Jaedong is too good or Kal never great pvz in the first place is my point. I wasn't surprised either. But I think that the games were worth a recommendation. What do you not understand? | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: also s-class T > Z and s-class Z > P but s-class P is not always > T its because terran are imba | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:05 Shikyo wrote: Yups, and if we were lenient we could add JD for his double OSL + insane ELO peak run and if Flash wins both leagues, him too. But I'm not sure if people are willing to accept these two, since their domination hasn't lasted that long. TY I suppose the the durationof one's domination is the real hurdle to be a Bonjwa. But any proathlete/e-athlete will tell you that consistency is that hardest thing, and will always urge that it should be the most respected. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:08 Shikyo wrote: I wasn't surprised either. But I think that the games were worth a recommendation. What do you not understand? It was a straight up beating, none of them I would recommend, I expected more from Kal. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
That, and Z>P=T>Z. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
Movie's micro against zergs is as good as Flash. But Movie's PvT and PvP isn't up to par with his PvZ yet. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:11 Qwertify wrote: TY I suppose the the durationof one's domination is the real hurdle to be a Bonjwa. But any proathlete/e-athlete will tell you that consistency is that hardest thing, and will always urge that it should be the most respected. If Jaedong beats Flash in the finals that would make 3 straight seasons of victories. What else does he need? | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:58 FireGuyX wrote: If you look at Kal's recent pvz victories, the best zerg he beat that had very good pvz was Type-B. Just lol at this... Your post had absolutely nothing to do with what Shikyo wrote I think game 2 could be recommended... game 3 only to see that shitton of cannons, but to me it pretty soon felt like this was already over. And I dont like watching games where one of the players just keeps on trying to crawl back but it's obvious he wont be able to. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:16 7mk wrote: Just lol at this... Your post had absolutely nothing to do with what Shikyo wrote I don't care, I just wanted to point that out, and it does have some relevance to why none of the games should be recommended. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:13 jalstar wrote: If Jaedong beats Flash in the finals that would make 3 straight seasons of victories. What else does he need? To have the highest ELO during that same period. The gap between Jaedong and Flash right now is vast. That is because Flash has been dominating Proleague and Starleague with trendsetting play, while Jaedong has only managed, in comparison, to get into the finals of the MSL (Flash at this point is in 2) I just don't see anyone being named Bonjwa at the time someone is playing better than they are. | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3470 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:09 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: also s-class T > Z and s-class Z > P but s-class P is not always > T S-class T hasn't been > Z pretty much since July took down OOV. Savior, GGplay and JD all managed to beat the very best terrans of their time on a constant basis. Flash right now has the best tvz by far, but 2-0ing JD is not enough of a proof that T>Z on this level. If he 3-0s JD in the finals things may look differently, but as of now I feel only zvp is a little favored towards z on the highest level. All other matchups are fine. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:17 FireGuyX wrote: I don't care, I just wanted to point that out, and it does have some relevance to why Kal got such a beating. But it didnt have any revelance to which of the games should be recommended which is all that shikyo's post is about ? | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
wtf? Where were you when Flash had a terrible record against the dragons and was 0-3 against Best and only fantasy could tvp besides him? and even then he was dropping games to stork and bisu? omfg rage | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:05 jalstar wrote: he went from the "lol he always gets second place except that one time" guy to massively loved after that picture thread was posted. And he got 2nd place at WCG as well recently. I love stork too, but that doesn't mean I think he is one of the top player consistently, or plays one a level above other players. But whatever, point taken. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:18 7mk wrote: But it didnt have any revelance to which of the games should be recommended which is all that shikyo's post is about ? It's relevant because I explained why Kal played so poorly against Jaedong and why none of the games should be recommended. But I should of directly answered his question. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:18 Qwertify wrote: To have the highest ELO during that same period. The gap between Jaedong and Flash right now is vast. This is really fucking ridiculous if you think about, considering JD is at 2300+ | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:24 Kyuukyuu wrote: This is really fucking ridiculous if you think about, considering JD is at 2300+ Flash = 2397 Jadng = 2307 That is a 90 point difference. That is ridiculous. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:22 FireGuyX wrote: It's relevant because I implied why Kal played so poorly against Jaedong and why none of the games should be recommended. But I should of directly answered his question. Look, I don't know about you, but I watch the games and see how good they are. I don't just look at a game, think it was entertaining, and then look up the history of the player's MU stats and decide that it shouldn't be recommended just because the losing player hasn't lately beat every good ZvP player. What kind of logic is that? If Flash played an amazingly entertaining game against a worse Zerg and the game would be great to watch, would you take it off recommendations just because the Z hadn't recently beaten many good TvZers? They aren't called the recommended MU histories, they're called the recommended games. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:28 Shikyo wrote: Look, I don't know about you, but I watch the games and see how good they are. I don't just look at a game, think it was entertaining, and then look up the history of the player's MU stats and decide that it shouldn't be recommended just because the losing player hasn't lately beat every good ZvP player. What kind of logic is that? If Flash played an amazingly entertaining game against a worse Zerg and the game would be great to watch, would you take it off recommendations just because the Z hadn't recently beaten many good TvZers? They aren't called the recommended MU histories, they're called the recommended games. And yes I like watching a good starcraft game too no matter who's playing. But in this case, none of the games should be recommended, the games were not competitive despite the caliber of both players. I expected more from Kal. I'm just saying Kal has yet to beat a good zvp zerg. | ||
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United States1024 Posts
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United States1712 Posts
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:32 vRoOk wrote: on the side note my parents are having sex in the room above me?? If I were you I'd run in screaming and yelling LJD! LJD! LJD! like a madman chanting about an Epic MSL Finals! That way your father would cum a second time | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:30 FireGuyX wrote: Good point you win, whatever. To answer your question directly, none of the games should be recommended and it's disappointing coming from a player like Kal, it was too one-sided. Flash vs. Kwanro was a lot more even. They traded cheesy wins, and games 1&4 looked pretty even (1 favoring Flash, 4 favoring Kwanro) until Kwanro pressed 'G' like an idiot and instantly lost both games. On January 16 2010 19:32 vRoOk wrote: on the side note my parents are having sex in the room above me?? Heckle them. On January 16 2010 19:27 Qwertify wrote: Flash = 2397 Jaedong = 2307 That is a 90 point difference. That is ridiculous. The bulk of their ELO difference is the difference between ZvZ and TvT. ZvZ is far more volatile, particularly now that it's not just JD who knows how to play it, which means JD loses some games to very low ELO Zergs and loses a crapton of points. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:24 Qwertify wrote: And on a side note, if Flash does 3-0 Jaedong, Bisu will still have a higher Peak ELO than him. Huh? Flash already has the hightest peak elo | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:54 Severedevil wrote: Flash vs. Kwanro was a lot more even. They traded cheesy wins, and games 1&4 looked pretty even (1 favoring Flash, 4 favoring Kwanro) until Kwanro pressed 'G' like an idiot and instantly lost both games. dunno what games you watched, but flash vs kwanro was really one sided. kwanro played terrible by going guards twice and flash ran him over because of it. flash went cheese twice, failed miserably once and easily won the second time. i was more entertained watching jd vs kal game 2 & 3 despite jd running over kal really easily | ||
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Germany4721 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:46 FireGuyX wrote: And none of them were in a Bo3 or Bo5, and one of the wins was a useless OSL win. At Movie's current form, he's definitley able to take down Jaedong in a Bo5. In a Bo5, Jaedong would give Movie a wedgie and then tie it into a bow. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
Bisu currently has a higher peak ELO than Jaedong. If Jaedong goes 3-0 in the finals, then this will not change. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 20:25 Djabanete wrote: In a Bo5, Jaedong would give Movie a wedgie and then tie it into a bow. Movie compared to last season has improved a lot. Especially in his PvT and PvP and last season Movie only had like 40 official games. He's still inconsistent barley above a 50% win rate, but next season I expect Movie to be a complete player. Movie's PvZ is much better then Kal's, Movie probably would of pushed Jaedong to a Go5. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
Flash = 2397 Jaedong = 2307 That is a 90 point difference. That is ridiculous. On January 16 2010 19:54 Severedevil wrote: The bulk of their ELO difference is the difference between ZvZ and TvT. ZvZ is far more volatile, particularly now that it's not just JD who knows how to play it, which means JD loses some games to very low ELO Zergs and loses a crapton of points. That is just speculation. What does that even mean, "now that it's not just JD who knows how to play it." Did other Zerg players suddenly learn how to play ZvZ altogether somehow? Is there some magic trick that you can learn that makes ZvZ more like a coin toss, so much so that poorer players can learn it and then have a chance at beating Jaedong? And why has this only recently happened? Were people not able to observe Jaedong's ZvZ a year ago? The opposite actually can be said. Jaedong's ELO is so high mainly because of his 80% win rate ZvZ, from before. If he had been playing ZvZ like that all along, the point gap would be more significant. | ||
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FantomX
Canada247 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:43 3nickma wrote: If I were you I'd run in screaming and yelling LJD! LJD! LJD! like a madman chanting about an Epic MSL Finals! That way your father would cum a second time HAHAHA, that cracked me up so hard. | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
I had a pleasantly drunken evening for the first half hour of the games, and then I started feeling shitty. I can't feel bad for the winner, so mostly fuck you. | ||
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On January 16 2010 20:46 thopol wrote: I feel bad about the result. I had wanted to write for the front page at some point, but I feel that I have let you good folks down by hyping this series. I had a pleasantly drunken evening for the first half hour of the games, and then I started feeling shitty. I can't feel bad for the winner, so mostly fuck you. Dude don't worry about it, things are beyond your control, and you made this series more interesting for everyone before it started by writing what you did. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 16 2010 20:40 Qwertify wrote: Flash = 2397 Jaedong = 2307 That is a 90 point difference. That is ridiculous. That is just speculation. What does that even mean, "now that it's not just JD who knows how to play it." Did other Zerg players suddenly learn how to play ZvZ altogether somehow? Is there some magic trick that you can learn that makes ZvZ more like a coin toss, so much so that poorer players can learn it and then have a chance at beating Jaedong? And why has this only recently happened? Were people not able to observe Jaedong's ZvZ a year ago? The opposite actually can be said. Jaedong's ELO is so high mainly because of his 80% win rate ZvZ, from before. If he had been playing ZvZ like that all along, the point gap would be more significant. TLPD hasnt been updated yet, I am sure JD's ELO will increase to about 2330. | ||
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United States1015 Posts
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LF9
United States537 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:43 3nickma wrote: If I were you I'd run in screaming and yelling LJD! LJD! LJD! like a madman chanting about an Epic MSL Finals! That way your father would cum a second time And risk having to share bandwidth with yet another sibling? I think not. Assuming, of course, pops is still fertile. + Show Spoiler + Highly unlikely. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Jaedong will have his sweet sweet revenge on Flash. Sorry Flash, but Jaedong is better than you!! No MSL titles for Flash~ And new ZvP streak record =)... So that's ZvZ and ZvP records held by THE DONG | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
Both Jaedong and Flash are at their peak right now, I am pumped for the final! | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On January 16 2010 19:17 FireGuyX wrote: I don't care, I just wanted to point that out, and it does have some relevance to why none of the games should be recommended. No, it really does not have any relevance. | ||
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United States9908 Posts
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Gumbo
Canada807 Posts
On January 16 2010 20:36 FireGuyX wrote: Movie compared to last season has improved a lot. Especially in his PvT and PvP and last season Movie only had like 40 official games. He's still inconsistent barley above a 50% win rate, but next season I expect Movie to be a complete player. Movie's PvZ is much better then Kal's, Movie probably would of pushed Jaedong to a Go5. Just stop posting please. Im sorry but if Movie played instead of Kal, there would not have been any difference, maybe he would have taken one game. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On January 16 2010 22:52 SuperJongMan wrote: Sweet, as painful as it was for me to watch Kal fall.. Jaedong will have his sweet sweet revenge on Flash. Sorry Flash, but Jaedong is better than you!! No MSL titles for Flash~ And new ZvP streak record =)... So that's ZvZ and ZvP records held by THE DONG He also has the highest ZvT streak (12-0) tied with Yellow. So basically, he has the highest streaks for each zerg mu :D | ||
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Etopen
United States138 Posts
On January 16 2010 18:50 Avidkeystamper wrote: Please have match point twice. LOL and then we have match point as the first and fifth map. | ||
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ilbh
Brazil1606 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On January 16 2010 22:52 SuperJongMan wrote: Sweet, as painful as it was for me to watch Kal fall.. Jaedong will have his sweet sweet revenge on Flash. Sorry Flash, but Jaedong is better than you!! No MSL titles for Flash~ And new ZvP streak record =)... So that's ZvZ and ZvP records held by THE DONG You are SOOOO cute. | ||
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constantine
Bulgaria49 Posts
On January 16 2010 23:07 Stratos_speAr wrote: No, it really does not have any relevance. +1 to recommending game 2 and 3, cut the bias OP, Kal not living up to the expectations doesnt make the games any less epic | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
It's been that way since the start. So amazing ~_~ So dreamy. | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
No, I prefer Flash vs Stork, they are both my fav players. My Heroes, heex But Jaedong vs Flash comes 2nd!! :-) I do hope Flash wins 2 title! And then undisputed champion, bonjwa Wooowooo | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On January 16 2010 23:52 constantine wrote: +1 to recommending game 2 and 3, cut the bias OP, Kal not living up to the expectations doesnt make the games any less epic At the very least, game 3 is a good learning tool on cannoning up and game 2 was pretty exciting. also, fireguyx, wtf | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On January 17 2010 00:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Cool. Now it's time for Jaedong to get smoked by Flash. I'm pretty sure Jaedong is the one who will end up on his knees. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On January 17 2010 01:10 Trezeguet23 wrote: I'm pretty sure Jaedong is the one who will end up on his knees. Yeah, that is what I mean. Lol not smoked as in "Flash sucking Jaedongs penis" smoked as in "Flash sets jaedong on fire with his invincible tvz" | ||
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On January 16 2010 23:26 Gumbo wrote: Just stop posting please. Im sorry but if Movie played instead of Kal, there would not have been any difference, maybe he would have taken one game. Movie has beaten By.hero and Zero in a bo3, then beat Shine a bo5. Movie has proven that he's one of the best pvz players, he certainly would give Jaedong a run for his money. Has Kal beaten an s-clss zvp recently? No. Movie's micro, mechanics, game sense, and macro against zergs is far superior to Kal's. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On January 17 2010 02:04 FireGuyX wrote: Movie has beaten By.hero and Zero in a bo3, then beat Shine a bo5. Movie has proven that he's one of the best pvz protoss, he certainly would give Jaedong a run for his money. Has Kal beaten an s-clss zvp recently? No. Movie's micro, game sense, and macro against zergs is far superior to Kal's. Jaedong is not Shine. He's sooo much better. He would rolled over Movie as he did with Kal. Movie is a good P but not as amazing as you claim. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On January 17 2010 01:55 Foucault wrote: ZvP is too easy. I felt sick to my stomach watching these games lol Yeah , because multitasking with the speed of 400 and above APM is easy and all ... | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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Random_0
United States1163 Posts
I was literally shocked at how poorly a very good player like Kal played. Yes, Jaedong played well, and, yes, he makes good players look bad. But you can't watch those games and watch Jaedong v Bisu or Jaedong v Stork and think that Kal played at the level of those two. Kal made micro errors all over the place: 1) Flying corsairs over hydras 2) Setting his rally points through lurkers in his main. 3) Not storming patches of drones when he had the chance. He had strategic errors: 1) No real harass strategy. Dumping DTs and praying is not a strategy. 2) He stuck with 2-base corsair -> templar. 3) He holed up behind tons of cannons with no offensive units, the mistake of a new SC player. 4) Not defending his expansions. In general, he just looked awful. If you watched those replays without knowing who played, wouldn't you guess a crummy PvZ like Perfectman, instead of a Protoss who has classically had one of the best PvZs around like Kal? | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
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InDaHouse
Sweden956 Posts
You really see the smalls things Jaedong do all the time and benefits in the long run from it, it's so awesome. Maybe I will see the VOD again from Kal:s perspective coz I actually think he played quite well contrary from what people here claiming, jaedong was just one step ahead frequently. | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On January 17 2010 02:46 Random_0 wrote: Before we pile into "Flash v Jaedong" omg hype, let's take a moment to think about how badly Kal just played. I was literally shocked at how poorly a very good player like Kal played. Yes, Jaedong played well, and, yes, he makes good players look bad. But you can't watch those games and watch Jaedong v Bisu or Jaedong v Stork and think that Kal played at the level of those two. Kal made micro errors all over the place: 1) Flying corsairs over hydras 2) Setting his rally points through lurkers in his main. 3) Not storming patches of drones when he had the chance. He had strategic errors: 1) No real harass strategy. Dumping DTs and praying is not a strategy. 2) He stuck with 2-base corsair -> templar. 3) He holed up behind tons of cannons with no offensive units, the mistake of a new SC player. 4) Not defending his expansions. In general, he just looked awful. If you watched those replays without knowing who played, wouldn't you guess a crummy PvZ like Perfectman, instead of a Protoss who has classically had one of the best PvZs around like Kal? Kal's PvZ is just not the same as it was in 2007-2008 relative to the zerg skill and the metagame at the time. In 2009 he had around 50% winrate against zerg (46% since the start of 2009 with this 0-3), which is dismal from a player of his caliber. What made him being considered stonger now than ever was his overall steady performance, very steady pvt and his finally developed great pvp (77%+ since the start of 2009!). It's just deceptive that he was always known for his pvz. Anyway, you seem to be able to point out fundamental flaws in a korean progamer's play without too much effort. Has the idea occured to you that maybe his opponent just played too well? He played exceptionally bad this series? Its very hard to say such things when you're playing against a monster of the match-up on top of his game and form like Jaedong. Look at the finish of the game on fighting spirit: Kal was setting up his army in the middle to gain ground while simultaneously sending in 4 DTs on the bottom left, dropping zealots on the natural and main, and keeping up his macro. Decent multitasking against most zergs, but look at JD's reaction: defended both harasses with losing only 6-7 drones total, harassed Kal's 4th as distraction, pushed Kal's army out of the middle (slowly wearing it down in the process) and dropped his main, all within half a minute while keeping up his macro as well... I'm not saying Kal was on top of his game, but I dont think any other protoss in their current form could have stood up to Jaedong today. | ||
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Majk
Sweden146 Posts
On January 16 2010 20:36 FireGuyX wrote: Movie compared to last season has improved a lot. Especially in his PvT and PvP and last season Movie only had like 40 official games. He's still inconsistent barley above a 50% win rate, but next season I expect Movie to be a complete player. Movie's PvZ is much better then Kal's, Movie probably would of pushed Jaedong to a Go5. Nah, don't think there would have made any major difference if Movie played those games. I really like both, and I think their PvZ is amongs the absolute best but honestly JD is at another level then those two, maybe Bisu in his prime would have pushed to a 5th game. Seeing JD's ZvP today made me really think if not ZvP imba at least JDvP imba. and if Kal didn't overdo those cannons in game 3, there's truly imbalance in this matchup... Looking forward to an epic JD - Flash final. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On January 17 2010 02:46 Random_0 wrote: Before we pile into "Flash v Jaedong" omg hype, let's take a moment to think about how badly Kal just played. I was literally shocked at how poorly a very good player like Kal played. Yes, Jaedong played well, and, yes, he makes good players look bad. But you can't watch those games and watch Jaedong v Bisu or Jaedong v Stork and think that Kal played at the level of those two. Kal made micro errors all over the place: 1) Flying corsairs over hydras 2) Setting his rally points through lurkers in his main. 3) Not storming patches of drones when he had the chance. He had strategic errors: 1) No real harass strategy. Dumping DTs and praying is not a strategy. 2) He stuck with 2-base corsair -> templar. 3) He holed up behind tons of cannons with no offensive units, the mistake of a new SC player. 4) Not defending his expansions. In general, he just looked awful. If you watched those replays without knowing who played, wouldn't you guess a crummy PvZ like Perfectman, instead of a Protoss who has classically had one of the best PvZs around like Kal? It was sooooo bad... Omg, just absolutely ridiculous how many mistakes/errors he made. It was just unbelievable. | ||
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BG1
Canada1550 Posts
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
On January 17 2010 02:14 Slow Motion wrote: Well Kal did beat Roro who's pretty good, but that's the only good zerg he's beaten recently. He's lost to guys like Kwanro and Luxury. Kwanro has 5th highest ELO... "guys like Kwannro"... Screw you haters. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
On January 17 2010 03:32 538 wrote: Has the idea occured to you that maybe his opponent just played too well? He played exceptionally bad this series? Its very hard to say such things when you're playing against a monster of the match-up on top of his game and form like Jaedong. Look at the finish of the game on fighting spirit: Kal was setting up his army in the middle to gain ground while simultaneously sending in 4 DTs on the bottom left, dropping zealots on the natural and main, and keeping up his macro. Decent multitasking against most zergs, but look at JD's reaction: defended both harasses with losing only 6-7 drones total, harassed Kal's 4th as distraction, pushed Kal's army out of the middle (slowly wearing it down in the process) and dropped his main, all within half a minute while keeping up his macro as well... I'm not saying Kal was on top of his game, but I dont think any other protoss in their current form could have stood up to Jaedong today. This. I just find it hard to believe that a progamer would rather play jaedong then stork right now. | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
On January 17 2010 05:54 MuffinDude wrote: kal's pvz was always overrated. Good enough to take down decent~pro zergs, and able to take one or two games from pro pro zergs every once in a while, but usually loses to pro pro zergs like effort and jaedong. No, it wasnt always overrated, only since it has become his weakest matchup slowly during 2009. He kept a 70%+ winrate over 2007 and 2008. He was THE shit in PvZ, and the statistically strongest PvZ during the reign of the 6 dragoons. Can you grasp how much 70% is? Flash's current TvT is 73%, and its his strongest matchup, you can't just get 71-72% by a good draw and luck. (Though he didnt play too many games, like 40 versus zerg during that period) | ||
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Bwenjarin Raffrack
United States322 Posts
Poor Kal. With a blow like this series, I think he'll develop a mental block, and Jaedong will always be his angstgegner. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Jaedong is pretty close to being the first player to bust the 2300 mark in vP right now. | ||
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Ideas
United States8085 Posts
It's a shame, because Kal is awesome, but he just doesnt have the mental strength that sets players like JD and flash apart from the rest. It feels to me like Kal just doesnt have the confidence going in against JD (and to a lesser extent other S-class players, but JD especially seems to have a hold over Kal) that he has against lesser opponents. | ||
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agen
Barbados111 Posts
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