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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 08 2010 11:46 GMT
#1521
On January 08 2010 20:37 thopol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 20:35 Womwomwom wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:34 Neptuneajax wrote:
didn't Stork invent a new PvT strat? He teaches it to Movie. Movie takes down Flash?!

Guys.....this could happen


No it was a PvZ strat that never occured.

I've done this before:
It was revealed. Let me dig up the interview.

So I can't for the life of me find the interview. It was a much more subtle build than people were predicting. Something that used to be used on a particular map, which he employed on Match Point for the win.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 08 2010 11:47 GMT
#1522
Was the game where Shine won the longest one?
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
January 08 2010 11:47 GMT
#1523
On January 08 2010 20:44 d_so wrote:
i thought movie played a good game. he didnt get sucked into a battle of wills like so many other tosses when playing against shine. Shine likes to pressure his opponents into mistakes with his hyper-aggressiveness and movie did well not to succumb to a pace that would have given shine the advantage. instead, he made solid strategic decisions that steadily gave him an upper hand as the game progressed.


-- i was responding to someone but i dont remember who


I think it was that Movie was just as ultra aggressive. Really screwed Shine up because the veteran players considered him a newb and just focused on securing a macro advantage. ALL the players know Shine has a weak as piss late game. That's why most of the vets focused on trying to grab eco. They all thought, secure my third and this is over. The problem is shine's very good at abusing defensive players. As we saw today, Shine's a lost kitten when it comes to defending himself.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-08 11:49:28
January 08 2010 11:47 GMT
#1524
On January 08 2010 20:44 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 20:43 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:39 writer22816 wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:37 FireGuyX wrote:
Movie's PvT isn't bad, if it was he wouldn't have beaten Light. He lost to UpMagic because of the map, his natural right close to an attack from a siege tank, and that's more of map terrain favoring Terran over Protoss.


No. Just no.



No about what? Did you see Movie vs UpMagic, he was behind economically early because the natural was right next to an attack from a siege tank, which UpMagic took advantage of. I don't think his PvT is bad at all, not up to par with his PvZ yet. He has shown plenty of potential to excel in both PvT and PvP. He lost to players like Canata, Really, and UpMagic who have good PvT.


Comparing Upmagic's TvP to Flash is just so far beyond the pale. I don't think anyone will take it seriously...



I'm not comparing, I'm just saying Movie has the potential to play great PvT and he has shown that he can play great PvT despite what the statistics say.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-08 11:48:20
January 08 2010 11:47 GMT
#1525
On January 08 2010 20:46 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 20:45 writer22816 wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:43 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:39 writer22816 wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:37 FireGuyX wrote:
Movie's PvT isn't bad, if it was he wouldn't have beaten Light. He lost to UpMagic because of the map, his natural right close to an attack from a siege tank, and that's more of map terrain favoring Terran over Protoss.


No. Just no.



No about what? Did you see Movie vs UpMagic, he was behind economically early because the natural was right next to an attack from a siege tank, which UpMagic took advantage of. I don't think his PvT is bad at all, not up to par with his PvZ yet. He has shown plenty of potential to excel in both PvT and PvP. He lost to players like Canata, Really, and UpMagic who have good PvT.


No, Movie lost because Up outplayed him. Go watch the game again. And please, PLEASE know what you're talking about.



So you don't think the early economic harassment from UpMagic which killed tons of probes, didn't affect Movie economically? And Move managed to make a fight out of it.


Movie was screwed the moment he let Up macro off an even amount of bases for a loong time. FYI P needs to be 1 expo ahead of the T.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 08 2010 11:48 GMT
#1526
On January 08 2010 20:45 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 20:43 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:39 writer22816 wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:37 FireGuyX wrote:
Movie's PvT isn't bad, if it was he wouldn't have beaten Light. He lost to UpMagic because of the map, his natural right close to an attack from a siege tank, and that's more of map terrain favoring Terran over Protoss.


No. Just no.



No about what? Did you see Movie vs UpMagic, he was behind economically early because the natural was right next to an attack from a siege tank, which UpMagic took advantage of. I don't think his PvT is bad at all, not up to par with his PvZ yet. He has shown plenty of potential to excel in both PvT and PvP. He lost to players like Canata, Really, and UpMagic who have good PvT.


What we saw in Movie vs Upmagic was Upmagic nearly throwing the game away because of awful army positioning and composition (lone tanks don't win against mass zealots).

Lucky for Upmagic, he's experienced enough to stop the damage done and use the advantage he initially had to push himself back into the game.

I'm pretty sure that Movie would've won the game if he wasn't put so far behind w/ all that early game harass
Writerptrk
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
January 08 2010 11:49 GMT
#1527
Why are you guys even discussing Upmagic in this thread? You do realize Upmagic got kicked out of this OSL in an offline Bo3 vs freakin Spear right? Do you guys really think that's a good comparison to Flash?
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
January 08 2010 11:49 GMT
#1528
On January 08 2010 20:47 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 20:44 d_so wrote:
i thought movie played a good game. he didnt get sucked into a battle of wills like so many other tosses when playing against shine. Shine likes to pressure his opponents into mistakes with his hyper-aggressiveness and movie did well not to succumb to a pace that would have given shine the advantage. instead, he made solid strategic decisions that steadily gave him an upper hand as the game progressed.


-- i was responding to someone but i dont remember who


I think it was that Movie was just as ultra aggressive. Really screwed Shine up because the veteran players considered him a newb and just focused on securing a macro advantage. ALL the players know Shine has a weak as piss late game. That's why most of the vets focused on trying to grab eco. They all thought, secure my third and this is over. The problem is shine's very good at abusing defensive players. As we saw today, Shine's a lost kitten when it comes to defending himself.

Man, you alternate so hard between posting legit, well-thought out analysis and rabid fanboyism that im getting whiplash.
that lost kitten line made me laugh and remember how hard Bisu raped him in proleague with a simple 2-gate.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 08 2010 11:49 GMT
#1529
On January 08 2010 20:47 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 20:44 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:43 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:39 writer22816 wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:37 FireGuyX wrote:
Movie's PvT isn't bad, if it was he wouldn't have beaten Light. He lost to UpMagic because of the map, his natural right close to an attack from a siege tank, and that's more of map terrain favoring Terran over Protoss.


No. Just no.



No about what? Did you see Movie vs UpMagic, he was behind economically early because the natural was right next to an attack from a siege tank, which UpMagic took advantage of. I don't think his PvT is bad at all, not up to par with his PvZ yet. He has shown plenty of potential to excel in both PvT and PvP. He lost to players like Canata, Really, and UpMagic who have good PvT.


Comparing Upmagic's TvP to Flash is just so far beyond the pale. I don't think anyone will take it seriously...



I'm not comparing, I'm just saying Movie has the potential to play great PvT.

His PvT potential has yet to show. He's played some poor and lackluster PvTs. But all that can change right? Remember when JD couldn't ZvP to save his life, but he somehow found the magic in his first OSL against Stork?
God Bless
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
January 08 2010 11:50 GMT
#1530
On January 08 2010 20:49 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 20:47 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:44 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:43 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:39 writer22816 wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:37 FireGuyX wrote:
Movie's PvT isn't bad, if it was he wouldn't have beaten Light. He lost to UpMagic because of the map, his natural right close to an attack from a siege tank, and that's more of map terrain favoring Terran over Protoss.


No. Just no.



No about what? Did you see Movie vs UpMagic, he was behind economically early because the natural was right next to an attack from a siege tank, which UpMagic took advantage of. I don't think his PvT is bad at all, not up to par with his PvZ yet. He has shown plenty of potential to excel in both PvT and PvP. He lost to players like Canata, Really, and UpMagic who have good PvT.


Comparing Upmagic's TvP to Flash is just so far beyond the pale. I don't think anyone will take it seriously...



I'm not comparing, I'm just saying Movie has the potential to play great PvT.

His PvT potential has yet to show. He's played some poor and lackluster PvTs. But all that can change right? Remember when JD couldn't ZvP to save his life, but he somehow found the magic in his first OSL against Stork?


I don't see it happening this time
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 08 2010 11:53 GMT
#1531
On January 08 2010 20:47 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 20:44 d_so wrote:
i thought movie played a good game. he didnt get sucked into a battle of wills like so many other tosses when playing against shine. Shine likes to pressure his opponents into mistakes with his hyper-aggressiveness and movie did well not to succumb to a pace that would have given shine the advantage. instead, he made solid strategic decisions that steadily gave him an upper hand as the game progressed.


-- i was responding to someone but i dont remember who


I think it was that Movie was just as ultra aggressive. Really screwed Shine up because the veteran players considered him a newb and just focused on securing a macro advantage. ALL the players know Shine has a weak as piss late game. That's why most of the vets focused on trying to grab eco. They all thought, secure my third and this is over. The problem is shine's very good at abusing defensive players. As we saw today, Shine's a lost kitten when it comes to defending himself.


I think this is generally what Protosses need to do against Zerg to overcome this so called "ZvP imba", be aggressive, dont sit in your base all day long. Movie shows how it's done
beep boop
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
January 08 2010 11:53 GMT
#1532
just food for thought, what was/would be a bigger upset,
Bisu, then no-name MBC toss vs Savior in stunning 3-0 fashion
or Movie, the up and comer vs Flash, who looks just as invincible as savior did during his pre-Bisu Bonjwa time
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
January 08 2010 11:53 GMT
#1533
just for curiosity, how many players won in their first run on the osl?
BW is back
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-08 11:55:27
January 08 2010 11:54 GMT
#1534
On January 08 2010 20:48 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 20:45 Womwomwom wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:43 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:39 writer22816 wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:37 FireGuyX wrote:
Movie's PvT isn't bad, if it was he wouldn't have beaten Light. He lost to UpMagic because of the map, his natural right close to an attack from a siege tank, and that's more of map terrain favoring Terran over Protoss.


No. Just no.



No about what? Did you see Movie vs UpMagic, he was behind economically early because the natural was right next to an attack from a siege tank, which UpMagic took advantage of. I don't think his PvT is bad at all, not up to par with his PvZ yet. He has shown plenty of potential to excel in both PvT and PvP. He lost to players like Canata, Really, and UpMagic who have good PvT.


What we saw in Movie vs Upmagic was Upmagic nearly throwing the game away because of awful army positioning and composition (lone tanks don't win against mass zealots).

Lucky for Upmagic, he's experienced enough to stop the damage done and use the advantage he initially had to push himself back into the game.

I'm pretty sure that Movie would've won the game if he wasn't put so far behind w/ all that early game harass


lol QFStupid

I'm pretty sure that anyone would've won if he didn't take damage from the other guy!!!!!!!!!!!! No damage FTW!!

Can't damage this!!!!
......::::........::::........::::........::::........::::.......::::.......::::... Up☆MaGiC ...::::.......::::.......::::........::::........::::........::::........
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 08 2010 11:55 GMT
#1535
On January 08 2010 20:49 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 20:47 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:44 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:43 FireGuyX wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:39 writer22816 wrote:
On January 08 2010 20:37 FireGuyX wrote:
Movie's PvT isn't bad, if it was he wouldn't have beaten Light. He lost to UpMagic because of the map, his natural right close to an attack from a siege tank, and that's more of map terrain favoring Terran over Protoss.


No. Just no.



No about what? Did you see Movie vs UpMagic, he was behind economically early because the natural was right next to an attack from a siege tank, which UpMagic took advantage of. I don't think his PvT is bad at all, not up to par with his PvZ yet. He has shown plenty of potential to excel in both PvT and PvP. He lost to players like Canata, Really, and UpMagic who have good PvT.


Comparing Upmagic's TvP to Flash is just so far beyond the pale. I don't think anyone will take it seriously...



I'm not comparing, I'm just saying Movie has the potential to play great PvT.

His PvT potential has yet to show. He's played some poor and lackluster PvTs. But all that can change right? Remember when JD couldn't ZvP to save his life, but he somehow found the magic in his first OSL against Stork?


Yeah I mean remember Leta vs Movie? (PL finals) He already showed some signs of brilliance back then.

This is the OSL finals, he's gonna prepare like a madman for this. Dont expect him to play vs flash like he did vs upmagic.
Sure, Flash is the big favourite, but bigger upsets have happened.
beep boop
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
January 08 2010 11:56 GMT
#1536
^ let me put it this way

movie's gonna get fucking quartered
......::::........::::........::::........::::........::::.......::::.......::::... Up☆MaGiC ...::::.......::::.......::::........::::........::::........::::........
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 08 2010 11:56 GMT
#1537
WTF, how did Heartbreak Ridge become the map for Sets 1 and 5? Did Flash get to thumb down a map? If so, which one did he thumb down?

HBR twice is basically giving Movie a chance to win...not that I think he will anyways, but still, ugh.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
siv00
Profile Joined September 2009
261 Posts
January 08 2010 11:57 GMT
#1538
On January 08 2010 20:53 Chen wrote:
just food for thought, what was/would be a bigger upset,
Bisu, then no-name MBC toss vs Savior in stunning 3-0 fashion
or Movie, the up and comer vs Flash, who looks just as invincible as savior did during his pre-Bisu Bonjwa time


For people who were around for GOMTV MSL this isn't really a question.
Tyxiquale
Profile Joined September 2008
Australia424 Posts
January 08 2010 11:57 GMT
#1539
but this is NEW HBR.. with a much much better route to push
Dumb people don't know that they're dumb.
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
January 08 2010 11:58 GMT
#1540
On January 08 2010 20:56 Hinanawi wrote:
WTF, how did Heartbreak Ridge become the map for Sets 1 and 5? Did Flash get to thumb down a map? If so, which one did he thumb down?

HBR twice is basically giving Movie a chance to win...not that I think he will anyways, but still, ugh.


this isn't the msl dude

there is no thumbing down maps
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