EPTWin with pure lings?
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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JodoYodo
Canada1772 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On January 02 2010 13:59 King K. Rool wrote: I don't get his strategy, pure lings vs Archon/Zeal. Bound to fail... nothing off Free, he played well, just that... effort decided to play like Savior did against kal and not use his gas. effort thought free will play standard aka zealot/goon/ht free played smart by immediately figuring out how effort is going to play (number of hatcheries) and didn't get a single dragoon AT ALL, using all the gas for archons. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 02 2010 13:59 King K. Rool wrote: I don't get his strategy, pure lings vs Archon/Zeal. Bound to fail... nothing off Free, he played well, just that... effort decided to play like Savior did against kal and not use his gas. He built like he was going five-hatch hydra, and then went lings midgame, saving gas for ultras. Free just didn't care and went sair/dt into archon/zealot, which was exactly what he needed to do. EDIT: Yeah, Kona said it. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 02 2010 14:00 7mk wrote: Mh to me this game wasnt too far away from efforts usual ZvP style, the man really likes his lings Lings are good, but man when you run em into archons, they're pretty useless. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 02 2010 14:01 konadora wrote: effort thought free will play standard aka zealot/goon/ht free played smart by immediately figuring out how effort is going to play (number of hatcheries) and didn't get a single dragoon AT ALL, using all the gas for archons. But Effort scouted Sair/Dt really early... | ||
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JodoYodo
Canada1772 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On January 02 2010 14:00 7mk wrote: Mh to me this game wasnt too far away from efforts usual ZvP style, the man really likes his lings I don't know about others, but he went the usual hydra/lurker against Jangbi. Going mass hatch->cracklings->ultra is pretty extreme play. One that Free countered quite well. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On January 02 2010 14:02 SuperArc wrote: But Effort scouted Sair/Dt really early... that's what all protosses go for, followed by zealot + dragoon | ||
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
edit: I mean that he should've prepared at least a little. | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On January 02 2010 14:00 SuperArc wrote: Wth did Effort try to accomplish in this game? Win with pure lings? His plan seemed rather sound to me, he was looking good until those 2 dts raped all his lings coming to save 5 so he lost tons of drones there. He was obviously aiming for quick cracklings from 9 hatches. | ||
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Marine50
Australia1764 Posts
On January 02 2010 14:05 Oystein wrote: His plan seemed rather sound to me, he was looking good until those 2 dts raped all his lings coming to save 5 so he lost tons of drones there. He was obviously aiming for quick cracklings from 9 hatches. He has had good success with it on that map before as well, heavy ling | ||
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JodoYodo
Canada1772 Posts
On January 02 2010 14:04 King K. Rool wrote: I get he was saving gas, but even 3-4 lurkers would've changed the game around. edit: I mean that he should've prepared at least a little. I don't think he had Hydra tech at all. | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On January 02 2010 14:06 Marine50 wrote: He has had good success with it on that map before as well, heavy ling Yeah, except normally he also uses lurkers to hold the platform outside his min only. | ||
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
On January 02 2010 14:08 Oystein wrote: This is the main reason I was confused - usually he has lurkers and get's a nice combo later on.Yeah, except normally he also uses lurkers to hold the platform outside his min only. | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 02 2010 14:08 Oystein wrote: Yeah, except normally he also uses lurkers to hold the platform outside his min only. I feel like after those reinforcementlings got rolled by the dts,  EffOrt probably decided to try to cut a few corners to even the game up. But he couldn't delay in time, and free sat on his rally points. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On January 02 2010 14:02 Roffles wrote: Lings are good, but man when you run em into archons, they're pretty useless. obviously (unless you get a nice surround) On January 02 2010 14:05 Oystein wrote: His plan seemed rather sound to me, he was looking good until those 2 dts raped all his lings coming to save 5 so he lost tons of drones there. He was obviously aiming for quick cracklings from 9 hatches. Exactly, after that was done he got a completely uncontested 3rd, got his 4th up fast after that and from then on efforts chances were slim to say the least really great attack by free | ||
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On January 02 2010 14:10 tree.hugger wrote: I feel like after those reinforcementlings got rolled by the dts, EffOrt probably decided to try to cut a few corners to even the game up. But he couldn't delay in time, and free sat on his rally points. hmmm, to me it felt like he never planned on building any lurkers, I mean he had +1 armor for mutas and even made a few until he realized Free had mass 1+ sairs and he never made a den. He looked to be doing just muta\ling into quick hive tech, not uncommonly done in ZvP. For example Hero used it vs Bisu in their last game at Fighting Spirit. | ||
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