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im really excited about this, but its also really sad. Calm is way better than shine and movie. This is the REAL finals. He totally doesn't deserve to lose here, neither does Flash. They both deserve a medal. No matter who wins I shall ;_; tonight.On January 01 2010 13:39 Warrior Madness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2010 13:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Calm has a much better shot at taking games off Flash than the others. The other games were Bo1 blunders for the most part, all embarssing but for the most part he played pretty well, only collapsing late in the game.
Well practiced and with a focused mind, Calm is the second biggest non protoss threat against Flash in a Bo5. (Some may argue Effort but I think he's a little fresh and untested, as well as being the kind of "safe" zerg that Flash macro rolls pretty well). Whaaaaa??? Calm over Effort, and ZERO? I don't think so. Zero's game 3 versus flash was a lot closer than most people made it out to be, and I wonder what kind of chorus we'd all be singing if Zero was a bit better with his mutas, and had he not lost his first three guardians carelessly. This is the Alcoholics Anonymous drinking game for the new years: Every time Calm wins a game, have a shot.
maybe as a whole zero's better, or effort. I dont know. What I do know is when it comes to individual leagues, when it comes to BOx's, calm has proven he can elevate his play to the next level on any stage. Calm is a proven commodity. Zero, effort, might have more direct quality to give, I dont know. But as far as series play goes they are definitively inferior to calm, because calm's won a damn starleague, and made it to the semi's of the osl already. In that respect, while I might predict zero or effort> calm in pl, I would never do that for a starleague, until zero or effort prove they have it within them to go as far there as calm has.
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Does anyone know of a lower-resolution stream? My internet can't quite keep up with the high-resolution streams in the OP.
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On January 01 2010 13:51 Faranth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2010 13:35 blade55555 wrote:On January 01 2010 13:20 Faranth wrote:
Given that Calm has been losing to high(er) level Terran like Fantasy and Light frequently over the past month or so... and Flash has been absolutely dominating the likes of Jaedong... 3-0 curbstomp incoming. Ok how is Flash "dominating Jaedong" when they only played 1 straight up game 2nd one being cheese? I wouldn't consider that "dominating" unless he 3-0's Jaedong no problem in MSL I believe it is assuming they both make it to play eachother? I sure hope so because if it does happen and flash does 3-0 jaedong like slaughters I will stop replying to posts like this. You misinterpret me somewhat, but I'll still argue for Flash "dominating Jaedong". I watched both of those games. If I recall, in the first, Flash prevented Jaedong from ever making use of his third base and simply rolled over him in the end. His micro was incredible and he lost a handful of marines throughout the entire game. The second was Flash with a forward 8rax into bunker rush, and Jaedong kept his natural instead of canceling, and it cost him. I fail to see how Flash did not dominate Jaedong in those two games. It was sheer dominance because Flash read Jaedong like a book, worked out precise strategies and Jaedong simply could not stand up to them. If you read the interview for Game 2, Flash stated that he had practiced that exact strategy. He knew exactly what he was doing. Does it necessarily mean that Flash will 3-0 Jaedong in the MSL? Heck no. But no one can deny that Flash destroyed Jaedong in the OSL. That's my point - Flash knows his opponents, and has unbelievable micro/macro to back up his stratagems. Given that, I have to imagine that Flash will do exceedingly well against Calm. Furthermore, getting back to the real point of how it relates to Calm v. Flash, the stats speak for themselves. Flash has won 18 of his last 20 TvZ matches. Calm has won 13 of his last 20 ZvT matches, and as I pointed out he has been losing lately to Fantasy (3 times!) and Light, both fairly high level Terran players. I'm not saying statistics are a say-all, but it indicates to me that Flash is likelier to win. My post was not about Flash v. Jaedong at all. It was about Flash v. Calm. I'd be far more interested to hear your response to my main argument than jabbing at one piece of my support.
I am expecting Calm to get destroyed. If Calm wins 1 game let alone 2 I will be very impressed. I will not be surprised if Flash 3-0's him. Maybe I just see calm on bad days but it seems everytime I watch him play he tends to lose even if he has an advantage to where he should not lose but somehow fucks it up. I would like Calm to win but I know he won't and I will probably watch the first 2 games tonight to see how they are ^^.
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^ trust me calm is very good. Hes got an almost 80% record in zvt this year, 80+% in zvp, and like 60ish% in zvz this year. Hes beastly.
Edit: Only time ive seen him play really sloppy, that wasnt explained by him being sick, was that terrible game against fantasy recently. Which in hindsight, is likely because he is totally focusing on the OSL and his match against flash.
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Here comes the crazy thing, guys.
What if Calm wins?????
HOW INSANE WOULD THAT BE
It's like if Kwanro beat Flash in a series, or something. Just entirely improbable!
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On January 01 2010 14:02 Faranth wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 01 2010 14:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Here comes the crazy thing, guys.
What if Calm wins?????
HOW INSANE WOULD THAT BE
It's like if Kwanro beat Flash in a series, or something. Just entirely improbable! I'd love to see it happen. As much as Flash is one of my favorite players, for Calm to beat Flash it would require remarkable play and be an amazingly close series. Bring it on. I'm a fan of the game itself more than any player.
The game can bite itself, GO FLASH.
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konadora
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To hype this up a bit, I'll be streaming Flash's games from now until the start of OSL on my livestream (http://c.zeroboy.net/konadora/)
Games will be in this order:
Flash Highlights by LeafXSnow
Flash vs Jaedong on Katrina SE - Shinhan Bank Proleague All-Stars
Flash vs YellOw[ArnC] on Andromeda - Shinhan Bank 08-09 Proleague Winners' League
Flash vs Jaedong on Sin Chupung-Ryeong - Shinhan Bank 08-09 Proleague Winners' League
Flash vs Jaedong on Neo Harmony - Lost Saga MSL
Flash vs Jaedong on Troy - Bacchus 2008 OSL
Flash vs Jaedong on Katrina - Bacchus 2008 OSL
Flash vs type-b on Eye of the Storm - EVER 2009 OSL
Flash vs hyvaa on Andromeda - Shinhan Bank 08-09 Proleague
Flash vs Jaedong on Fighting Spirit - EVER 2009 OSL
Flash vs Jaedong on New Heartbreak Ridge - EVER 2009 OSL
Flash vs Kwanro on Fighting Spirit - Shinhan Bank 09-10 Proleague
Flash vs Hyun on Tornado - Shinhan Bank 09-10 Proleague
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I've spent the last five minutes trying to make a joke with "Flash" and "slaughterhouse" but the only thing I've come up with is Flaughterhouse which is really unfunny, so let's just say Calm will get butchered - you heard it here first folks, everyone in this thread is predicting Calm > Flash but I've always rooted for underdogs so go LYH!
... that was really bad too wasn't it.
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konadora
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Calm > Flash... I trust In Brain Zerg... he is one of JulyZerg's pupils... he knows mind games and he will mindfuck Flash.
Well I just want a really good series! I dont care who wins..xD
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On January 01 2010 15:03 Matoo- wrote:
I've spent the last five minutes trying to make a joke with "Flash" and "slaughterhouse" but the only thing I've come up with is Flaughterhouse which is really unfunny, so let's just say Calm will get butchered - you heard it here first folks, everyone in this thread is predicting Calm > Flash but I've always rooted for underdogs so go LYH!
... that was really bad too wasn't it.
I laughed at Flaughterhouse, it's one of those it's-so-bad-it's-good things.
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On January 01 2010 14:31 konadora wrote:
To hype this up a bit, I'll be streaming Flash's games from now until the start of OSL on my livestream (http://c.zeroboy.net/konadora/)
Games will be in this order:
Flash Highlights by LeafXSnow
Flash vs Jaedong on Katrina SE - Shinhan Bank Proleague All-Stars
Flash vs YellOw[ArnC] on Andromeda - Shinhan Bank 08-09 Proleague Winners' League
Flash vs Jaedong on Sin Chupung-Ryeong - Shinhan Bank 08-09 Proleague Winners' League
Flash vs Jaedong on Neo Harmony - Lost Saga MSL
Flash vs Jaedong on Troy - Bacchus 2008 OSL
Flash vs Jaedong on Katrina - Bacchus 2008 OSL
Flash vs type-b on Eye of the Storm - EVER 2009 OSL
Oooh, nice. 
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On January 01 2010 15:03 Matoo- wrote:
I've always rooted for underdogs so go LYH!
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On January 01 2010 15:16 Atrioc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2010 15:03 Matoo- wrote:
I've always rooted for underdogs so go LYH!
rofl pwnt
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