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[SPL] Samsung KHAN vs CJ Entus - Page 2

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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 18:10:04
December 28 2009 18:06 GMT
#21
This first match is really exciting.

(P)Stork's PvZ has been very strong of late but...
(Z)EffOrt is 19-3 in ZvP since April, working on an 11 game winning streak, and has rolled Stork twice in this run.

The alien has to be the favorite.

Ideally CJ 3-1's here, with (T)TurN taking his game by doing something crazy.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
December 28 2009 18:30 GMT
#22
On December 29 2009 00:35 KvkG wrote:
Why the hell is Hydra being sent out more and more? Doesn't CJ have the deepest zerg lineup ever? Why the hell would they send out a rookie zerg like Hydra time and time again?


They are sending out a rookie zerg, any other team's player would lose like 70-80% of his matches, Hydra wins at least 50%.

Even with one of the strongest lineup the rookie trio, CJ keeps building for the future. This is how a team should be run!
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
December 28 2009 18:34 GMT
#23
On December 29 2009 03:30 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 00:35 KvkG wrote:
Why the hell is Hydra being sent out more and more? Doesn't CJ have the deepest zerg lineup ever? Why the hell would they send out a rookie zerg like Hydra time and time again?


They are sending out a rookie zerg, any other team's player would lose like 70-80% of his matches, Hydra wins at least 50%.

Even with one of the strongest lineup the rookie trio, CJ keeps building for the future. This is how a team should be run!


I'm a Khan fan but true that man. I've got nothing but respect for CJ's coach. Who did win the best coach of the year award?

I really think CJ's coach should have won (in case he didn't).
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
December 28 2009 18:47 GMT
#24
On December 29 2009 03:34 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 03:30 SuperArc wrote:
On December 29 2009 00:35 KvkG wrote:
Why the hell is Hydra being sent out more and more? Doesn't CJ have the deepest zerg lineup ever? Why the hell would they send out a rookie zerg like Hydra time and time again?


They are sending out a rookie zerg, any other team's player would lose like 70-80% of his matches, Hydra wins at least 50%.

Even with one of the strongest lineup the rookie trio, CJ keeps building for the future. This is how a team should be run!


I'm a Khan fan but true that man. I've got nothing but respect for CJ's coach. Who did win the best coach of the year award?

I really think CJ's coach should have won (in case he didn't).


SKT's did, because he won PL.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 19:17:00
December 28 2009 19:12 GMT
#25
On December 29 2009 03:34 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 03:30 SuperArc wrote:
On December 29 2009 00:35 KvkG wrote:
Why the hell is Hydra being sent out more and more? Doesn't CJ have the deepest zerg lineup ever? Why the hell would they send out a rookie zerg like Hydra time and time again?


They are sending out a rookie zerg, any other team's player would lose like 70-80% of his matches, Hydra wins at least 50%.

Even with one of the strongest lineup the rookie trio, CJ keeps building for the future. This is how a team should be run!


I'm a Khan fan but true that man. I've got nothing but respect for CJ's coach. Who did win the best coach of the year award?

I really think CJ's coach should have won (in case he didn't).


SKT's coach won. To be fair, SKT's coach actually deserved it. Before he came, SKT was falling apart for some reason. After he came, SKT magically became #1 again. I am not sure what he did, but he achieved results.

But, I agree with you that the CJ coach deserve a big fat award. The guy held his team together during the toughest of times. Before CJ sponsored his team, Cho's team was always one of the poorest. Yet the guy got a talent for finding talented rookies and breeding them into amazingly strong players. Nal_ra, Reach and several other famous players had their roots in Cho's team, but they left when Cho simply isn't capable of giving them the salary that they deserve. That's the story of CJ, always losing talents left and right, but breeding and gaining them everyday as well through Cho's nurturing.


Stork v.s. Effort is definitely a must see. Stork is looking hot, but as somebody else pointed out, Effort is the ultimate ZvP specialist with 75% win rate. The Protoss that he destroyed are no rookies either. Although I do find it funny that he is 0-3 against Bisu, but 2-0 against Stork.
monstar123
Profile Joined December 2008
United States516 Posts
December 28 2009 19:14 GMT
#26
(Z)EffOrt >>>>> (P)Stork
There is no need to argue with this !
JodoYodo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1772 Posts
December 28 2009 19:41 GMT
#27
Stork < Effort
great > Skyhigh I'm surprised so many people are saying Skyhigh will win this
Turn < Hydra Hydra has been playing pretty well lately in the few games we've seen him play
M18M < Movie ezpz
Dance dance dance 'till we run this town!
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
December 28 2009 20:03 GMT
#28
Stork... you gonna show us your revolutionary PvZ? Or you gonna save it for the next starleague and get rolled but mass mutas again?
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
December 28 2009 20:10 GMT
#29
On December 29 2009 05:03 lone_hydra wrote:
Stork... you gonna show us your revolutionary PvZ? Or you gonna save it for the next starleague and get rolled but mass mutas again?


Protoss losing to mutas is about the worst thing that can happen imo

so boring..it's like, "gj you won without doing a single thing"
KTY
yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 20:20:50
December 28 2009 20:18 GMT
#30
(P)Stork < (Z)EffOrt
(Z)great > (T)sKyHigh
(T)TurN > (Z)Hydra
(P)M18M < (P)Movie
(P)Stork < (Z)EffOrt

Edit: Rationalizations, efforts zvp is far beyond storks pvz, and skyhigh is terrible so great should win. Movie is obviously better than the no namer toss khan sent out, and turn's been very impressive but im not certain on that prediction.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 28 2009 20:25 GMT
#31
effort v. stork: classic match-up, alien v. predator

+ Show Spoiler +
predator wins
RaiSad
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States325 Posts
December 28 2009 20:26 GMT
#32
Stork helps Khan winning the "Who are you cheering for?" poll over CJ?

damm he's hot now
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 21:09:48
December 28 2009 20:47 GMT
#33
Khan hwaiting. Looking forward to stork crushing effort, though moon galive's 2 opening to the natural is rather disgusting to look at.

On December 29 2009 03:30 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 00:35 KvkG wrote:
Why the hell is Hydra being sent out more and more? Doesn't CJ have the deepest zerg lineup ever? Why the hell would they send out a rookie zerg like Hydra time and time again?


They are sending out a rookie zerg, any other team's player would lose like 70-80% of his matches, Hydra wins at least 50%.

Even with one of the strongest lineup the rookie trio, CJ keeps building for the future. This is how a team should be run!

Imho, there is nobody on CJ who clearly deserves the 4th slot, so he has to change around the lineup every week to see who is doing well.

Like what khan is doing is training their nublets. Like khan's line up is already pretty much set. great-stork-jangbi-fbh. Turn can replace fbh every once in a while, but M18M is not good enough for jangbi yet. And odin is definitely not good enough for great, although odin is not really new.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
December 28 2009 20:56 GMT
#34
CJ FIGHTING

EASIEST 3-0!
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 21:13:35
December 28 2009 21:00 GMT
#35
On December 29 2009 03:30 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 00:35 KvkG wrote:
Why the hell is Hydra being sent out more and more? Doesn't CJ have the deepest zerg lineup ever? Why the hell would they send out a rookie zerg like Hydra time and time again?


They are sending out a rookie zerg, any other team's player would lose like 70-80% of his matches, Hydra wins at least 50%.

Even with one of the strongest lineup the rookie trio, CJ keeps building for the future. This is how a team should be run!


(Z)Hydra likely got sent out on Outsider with the intention of sniping (Z)great. We've never seen Hydra's ZvT, and his ZvP is a work in progress, but his ZvZ seems very solid, and an excellent reason to keep playing him.

Also, someone above dismissed (P)M18M against (P)Movie, which is a mistake I think. I'm still not convinced of Movie's proleague stability, and M18M is not a bad protoss at all. If he was on Hwaseung, we'd see him every match.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
December 28 2009 21:17 GMT
#36
I'm so excited for this one.

I'll be streaming, but I'll likely be streaming Sea v Jaedong instead of either Turn v Hydra or M18M v Movie (if the games go that fast) because that match up is just too epic.

http://tv.zeroboy.net/mystlord
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
December 28 2009 21:59 GMT
#37
CJ ezpz!
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Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 22:44:01
December 28 2009 22:43 GMT
#38
M18M is pretty good, Movie isn't going to have an easy time with him at all. I like how everyone dismisses him as a random terrible protoss - Look at his record. Not bad at all for KHAN's #3 toss

Movie will still probably win - but it isn't going to be a cakewalk like some of you keep implying
I drop suckas like Plinko
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 28 2009 22:55 GMT
#39
On December 29 2009 05:10 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 05:03 lone_hydra wrote:
Stork... you gonna show us your revolutionary PvZ? Or you gonna save it for the next starleague and get rolled but mass mutas again?


Protoss losing to mutas is about the worst thing that can happen imo

so boring..it's like, "gj you won without doing a single thing"


effort plays nothing like shine, he goes standard almost every game and wins with mechanics
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 23:21:57
December 28 2009 23:15 GMT
#40
On December 29 2009 07:55 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 05:10 Xxio wrote:
On December 29 2009 05:03 lone_hydra wrote:
Stork... you gonna show us your revolutionary PvZ? Or you gonna save it for the next starleague and get rolled but mass mutas again?


Protoss losing to mutas is about the worst thing that can happen imo

so boring..it's like, "gj you won without doing a single thing"


effort plays nothing like shine, he goes standard almost every game and wins with mechanics


That is why I am not a big fan of Effort. He overwhelms opponents with mechanics and wins even though he makes strategical mistakes here and there. I'd like him more if he shows out of the ordinary stuff sometimes or if his play feels more genious rather than super robot. But I guess that's what makes him such a ZvP beast.
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