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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
December 29 2009 10:01 GMT
#181
On December 29 2009 18:59 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 18:56 darktreb wrote:
Ahhh a throwback by Stork to the days when he his PvZ was legendarily BAD....

I find it funny how many people on TL nowadays don't know that Stork was once known as much for his PvZ ineptitude as his PvT/PvP prowess.

Was it worse than Jangbi's and Best's? i mean 4th among Dragons isnt that bad...

i would say it was worse than jangbi's but better than best's
best's pvz back then was such lol (not that it's great now or anything)
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
December 29 2009 10:01 GMT
#182
On December 29 2009 18:57 Salteador Neo wrote:
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On December 29 2009 18:56 InDaHouse wrote:
On December 29 2009 18:52 writer22816 wrote:
Stork could really use Bisu's probe micro lol

No Bisu likes to hold position goons in front of tanks


And yet he is 2-6 against Flash in this year.

you mean 6-2? Bisu's been owning Flash recently with only 2 losses where he dropped 1 game in a Bo3
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
December 29 2009 10:03 GMT
#183
On December 29 2009 19:01 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 18:59 Chen wrote:
On December 29 2009 18:56 darktreb wrote:
Ahhh a throwback by Stork to the days when he his PvZ was legendarily BAD....

I find it funny how many people on TL nowadays don't know that Stork was once known as much for his PvZ ineptitude as his PvT/PvP prowess.

Was it worse than Jangbi's and Best's? i mean 4th among Dragons isnt that bad...

i would say it was worse than jangbi's but better than best's
best's pvz back then was such lol (not that it's great now or anything)

Best's pvz has shown marked improvement. I believe!!!!

Oh and Stork - WTF WAS THAT!?!?!
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-29 10:05:06
December 29 2009 10:04 GMT
#184
Stork was never actually THAT bad at PvZ.

He was capable of winning games against anyone but he was also capable of losing to anyone, which is what this game reminded me of. Also his games lacked finesse (at least in appearance), especially relative to the period of time after Bisu's rise. Stork actually took a fair number of games off of Savior (back when Savior was literally invincible at the matchup) but he never managed to take full series.
sleeepy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada777 Posts
December 29 2009 10:04 GMT
#185
great sends his ovie cross position. I smell map hax!
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
December 29 2009 10:06 GMT
#186
On December 29 2009 19:00 Iplaythings wrote:
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On December 29 2009 13:41 AttackZerg wrote:
On December 29 2009 08:15 lone_hydra wrote:
On December 29 2009 07:55 jalstar wrote:
On December 29 2009 05:10 Xxio wrote:
On December 29 2009 05:03 lone_hydra wrote:
Stork... you gonna show us your revolutionary PvZ? Or you gonna save it for the next starleague and get rolled but mass mutas again?


Protoss losing to mutas is about the worst thing that can happen imo

so boring..it's like, "gj you won without doing a single thing"


effort plays nothing like shine, he goes standard almost every game and wins with mechanics


That is why I am not a big fan of Effort. He overwhelms opponents with mechanics and wins even though he makes strategical mistakes here and there. I'd like him more if he shows out of the ordinary stuff sometimes or if his play feels more genious rather than super robot. But I guess that's what makes him such a ZvP beast.


hmm actually compared to crap zergs like yellow/luxury/shine/kwanro effort is a strategical genius.

Every single game he has a plan that goes from 4 drones to 40 and from 3 base to five and six.

He has been a front runner in developing zvp standard play over the last six months (only behind jaedong) and zvt he is the only zerg in the world right now with a consistent midgame AND lategame plan.

Anybody who wants to learn how zerg should be played needs to watch effort his understanding and lategame in both zvp and zvt are insanely deep not to mention he is a mechanical genius with 100 less apm then jaedong ..... I mean really ... how is that even possible ...


I am curious as how you think that YellOw[Arnc], Luxury(who teared like everything up round 1), Shine (who tears up everything atm), and Kwanro?
Please, if you are gonna use the "aggressive zerg noob player" against them and hate them.
One of the most beloved zergs in the world with what people has called GODLY zvp consistent throughout history, then look at Julyzerg. He is aggressive, cheesy, (and even more focused on the early game than Shine for example) and he is loved.
Explain to me, why.

He has charisma, he was the star of his race rather the umpteenth up and comer who people expect to fade into nothingness like Luxury, Type-B and Kwanro, He changes styles sometimes and shows godly micro that makes you go wow, (despite the fact that Shine wins, its hardly impressive how he does it) July actually has a lategame, which fans love to see.
Whatever you say about shine, his Defiler control is abysmal.
and it helps that he waited until he was established to knock off well-liked players.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
December 29 2009 10:08 GMT
#187
On December 29 2009 19:03 SHr3DD3r wrote:

Best's pvz has shown marked improvement. I believe!!!!



I actually agree.

Anyway, I'm confident SkyHigh will win, but I think we have a better shot at an Ace match if SkyHigh loses, now that Khan is behind.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13077 Posts
December 29 2009 10:08 GMT
#188
so far so good for great
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
December 29 2009 10:08 GMT
#189
not too many PvZ experts right now, all I can think of is Bisu and Movie. BeSt shows more promise than Stork because of his incredible micro.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 29 2009 10:09 GMT
#190
On December 29 2009 19:08 FireGuyX wrote:
not too many PvZ experts right now, all I can think of is Bisu and Movie. BeSt shows more promise than Stork because of his incredible micro.


Violet and Kal.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
December 29 2009 10:11 GMT
#191
On December 29 2009 19:06 Chen wrote:
He has charisma, he was the star of his race rather the umpteenth up and comer who people expect to fade into nothingness like Luxury, Type-B and Kwanro

While it is certainly true for Lux, type-b's career is just under way, I feel, and I would like to point out that Kwanro is in the MSL quarterfinals, yet again.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
December 29 2009 10:12 GMT
#192
On December 29 2009 19:09 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 19:08 FireGuyX wrote:
not too many PvZ experts right now, all I can think of is Bisu and Movie. BeSt shows more promise than Stork because of his incredible micro.


Violet and Kal.

Violet's worst MU is vs Zerg. statistically anyways.
nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
December 29 2009 10:12 GMT
#193
violet hasnt played enough vZ games vs strong zergs (effort, jaedong, hero) to tell. kal seems to be pretty good at the moment though
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-29 10:14:44
December 29 2009 10:14 GMT
#194
On December 29 2009 19:11 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 19:06 Chen wrote:
He has charisma, he was the star of his race rather the umpteenth up and comer who people expect to fade into nothingness like Luxury, Type-B and Kwanro

While it is certainly true for Lux, type-b's career is just under way, I feel, and I would like to point out that Kwanro is in the MSL quarterfinals, yet again.

better phrasing would probably be another no-name zerg that most people feel doesnt deserve his spot in the semi's/finals
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-29 10:16:49
December 29 2009 10:14 GMT
#195
On December 29 2009 19:14 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 19:11 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 29 2009 19:06 Chen wrote:
He has charisma, he was the star of his race rather the umpteenth up and comer who people expect to fade into nothingness like Luxury, Type-B and Kwanro

While it is certainly true for Lux, type-b's career is just under way, I feel, and I would like to point out that Kwanro is in the MSL quarterfinals, yet again.

better phrasing would probably be another no-name zerg that most people feel doesnt deserve his spot in the semi's/finals

Gotcha.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
sleeepy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada777 Posts
December 29 2009 10:15 GMT
#196
I've always felt free had solid PvZ but he's been rather shaky as of late.
yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
December 29 2009 10:16 GMT
#197
On December 29 2009 19:01 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 18:59 Chen wrote:
On December 29 2009 18:56 darktreb wrote:
Ahhh a throwback by Stork to the days when he his PvZ was legendarily BAD....

I find it funny how many people on TL nowadays don't know that Stork was once known as much for his PvZ ineptitude as his PvT/PvP prowess.

Was it worse than Jangbi's and Best's? i mean 4th among Dragons isnt that bad...

i would say it was worse than jangbi's but better than best's
best's pvz back then was such lol (not that it's great now or anything)
Well if were going to go really back to storks pvz incompetence, that was well before the dragon era. And I'd say it was at least on par with bests in that case. 48-52% sort of deal, complete lack of game sense or proper decisions, winning on mechanics, etc. Like 2006 stork pvz.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
December 29 2009 10:16 GMT
#198
On December 29 2009 19:14 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 19:11 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 29 2009 19:06 Chen wrote:
He has charisma, he was the star of his race rather the umpteenth up and comer who people expect to fade into nothingness like Luxury, Type-B and Kwanro

While it is certainly true for Lux, type-b's career is just under way, I feel, and I would like to point out that Kwanro is in the MSL quarterfinals, yet again.

better phrasing would probably be another no-name zerg that most people feel doesnt deserve his spot in the semi's/finals


I'm not sure why you would group Lux under that, he was definitely not a no-name zerg when he won the MSL..
BW forever || Thall
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
December 29 2009 10:17 GMT
#199
On December 29 2009 19:16 Rostam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2009 19:14 Chen wrote:
On December 29 2009 19:11 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 29 2009 19:06 Chen wrote:
He has charisma, he was the star of his race rather the umpteenth up and comer who people expect to fade into nothingness like Luxury, Type-B and Kwanro

While it is certainly true for Lux, type-b's career is just under way, I feel, and I would like to point out that Kwanro is in the MSL quarterfinals, yet again.

better phrasing would probably be another no-name zerg that most people feel doesnt deserve his spot in the semi's/finals


I'm not sure why you would group Lux under that, he was definitely not a no-name zerg when he won the MSL..

Yeah, and at least Luxury had been to semifinals before that MSL, too. People just hate zergs not named Jaedong, is all.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13077 Posts
December 29 2009 10:18 GMT
#200
skyhigh has no idea what to do lol looks like great is turtling hard for 5 gas
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
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