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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 26 2009 11:37 GMT
#1641
On December 26 2009 20:34 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 20:30 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:28 darktreb wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:27 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:26 Mooncat wrote:
Can't believe how many anti-fans Flash has all of a sudden. Wtf? He's playing straight up, he's dominating and he's modest and likeable in his interviews. What's your fucking problem?

uhhhhhhhhhhhh


Oops sorry he didn't play straight up once while going 40-2 in TvT and TvZ. Gee sorry about that.

what has happened in the past doesn't account for what's happening "all of a sudden"
also I do not hate flash and was fine with him cheesing jaedong
just poking holes in arguments


It's a pretty dumb hole to poke. How many players don't cheese for like 30 straight games? Flash is literally like the most straight up player in all of SC right now. To get on his case for a cheese is truly ridiculous and I can't believe how many people on TL are harping over it. It's pretty much the dumbest thing people have complained about in recent memory.

Flash cheesed Bisu out of OSL in 2007! Flash cheesed JD once in OSL in December 2009! Flash is a cheeser who doesn't care about fans!

Just retarded.

look this is not complicated

Mooncat wondered why Flash has so many anti-fans all of a sudden
A reason that Flash has so many anti-fans all of a sudden is cause he cheesed Jaedong

I agree that it is silly to criticize Flash for cheesing Jaedong, but I am sad that we didn't get to see an epic game or two that Jaedong must have spent a lot of time practicing for. I don't hate Flash for this but some people do.
brood war for life, brood war forever
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
December 26 2009 11:37 GMT
#1642
On December 26 2009 20:27 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 20:26 Mooncat wrote:
Can't believe how many anti-fans Flash has all of a sudden. Wtf? He's playing straight up, he's dominating and he's modest and likeable in his interviews. What's your fucking problem?

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

Ok, that was bad word. He is FLEXIBLE. He played like 40 straight up games and 1 cheese lately. He did one, single, tiny cheese because NOBODY EXPECTED IT. And that is smart, you can't disagree - person like Flash who is known for beastly macro game is not expected to cheese and some players can abuse it by going with greedy openings. So he cheesed and now no one can say "ok since it's Flash he will this and that because he never changes his style"
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
December 26 2009 11:38 GMT
#1643
It turns out Flash's new strategy against Protoss is to pick Protoss as his own race in the pre-game waiting room and stomp them in PvP.

Hey, have you seen Flash's Protoss? He could do it.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 26 2009 11:38 GMT
#1644
On December 26 2009 20:34 Orbifold wrote:
Best already working on a new cutting edge 1-base arbs build for the Ro8.

hahahahaa good one
Best loves arbiters so much I doubt he'll ever be able to sustain a girlfriend because they'll be too jealous of his relationship with them
brood war for life, brood war forever
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
December 26 2009 11:39 GMT
#1645
On December 26 2009 20:38 Hinanawi wrote:
It turns out Flash's new strategy against Protoss is to pick Protoss as his own race in the pre-game waiting room and stomp them in PvP.

Hey, have you seen Flash's Protoss? He could do it.


I've seen. It sure looked good compared to Best Terran. And actually his reaver control was pretty pretty good. But it is hard to say how good it is...
Vortok
Profile Joined December 2009
United States830 Posts
December 26 2009 11:39 GMT
#1646
While watching the stream of most recent OSL with someone (Abascus) translating the commentators, one of the signs in the crowd after JD vs. Flash apparently said "I waited 6 hours to watch Flash vs. Jaedong. wtf was that!?!" which was pretty lulz. Chances are good that they'll meet again in the MSL, which should be an epic epic match.

As someone that enjoys watchin Bisu play (when he isn't trying to choke harder than Stork, who is also really fun to watch), it's nice to see Guemchi and Bogus get kicked out by more well known players so quickly.

Also, Best for MSL victory. After the group selection ceremony, it would be too epic.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 26 2009 11:39 GMT
#1647
On December 26 2009 20:34 FireGuyX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 20:32 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:30 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:28 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:27 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:26 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:25 Lebesgue wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:23 Scaramanga wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:20 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:18 XiaoLongNuSucks wrote:
had zero not gone guardian the outcome may've been different. what a crappy day, the 2nd highest seeded zerg lost T.T. now there are only Best and Jaedong left to stop that faggot Flash.

<--- I think this emote sucks, but seriously

Yeah seriously people need to start following the rules


The amount of retards the last two days attracted to TL is just astonishing. People throwing insults left and righ, shit talking, trolling. It becomes just unbearable.

In fairness: Shine

Not funny.

Neither is the idea of a Flash vs Shine OSL final

I think you mean Calm vs Movie final. Oh yes. It shall come to pass. Maybe. I don't know. Anyway. Shine deserves respect.

[Shine deserves respect and I freely admit that his play has been impressive but dude we could have had Flash vs Stork and instead we're going to have Flash vs someone who doesn't stand a chance against him.

Calm is one of my favorite players but you've got to start thinking realistically to ease the inevitable pain. The only question in my mind is whether it will be 3-1 Flash or 3-0 Flash.


Imagine Flash vs Movie.

OK...... now I am wondering whether 3-2 Flash is a possibility..... nah
brood war for life, brood war forever
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
December 26 2009 11:39 GMT
#1648
Funny I'm about to say this after all the "Flash is straight up defense" but I wouldn't be surprised if Flash had one or even TWO cheeses planned for the Best series.

He's quite possibly not facing a P the rest of the Starleague season (and he's almost definitely not facing a P in MSL maps), so there's no reason not to go all out, especially if he can't figure out a new "answer" to TvP.

I actually really like it when Flash considers himself even or an underdog to an opponent, because that's what brings out the brilliant cheeser. Seriously people, go back and watch the Monty Hall cheese against Bisu - that was just pure brilliance. And of course the legendary BBS on Katrina (a game in which Flash lost ZERO units) and the already infamous "Jaedong heartbreak".
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 26 2009 11:40 GMT
#1649
I think it would be wrong to take Canata vs Best as an indication of how best vs flash will go..

hatred outlives the hateful
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
December 26 2009 11:41 GMT
#1650
On December 26 2009 20:37 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 20:34 darktreb wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:30 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:28 darktreb wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:27 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:26 Mooncat wrote:
Can't believe how many anti-fans Flash has all of a sudden. Wtf? He's playing straight up, he's dominating and he's modest and likeable in his interviews. What's your fucking problem?

uhhhhhhhhhhhh


Oops sorry he didn't play straight up once while going 40-2 in TvT and TvZ. Gee sorry about that.

what has happened in the past doesn't account for what's happening "all of a sudden"
also I do not hate flash and was fine with him cheesing jaedong
just poking holes in arguments


It's a pretty dumb hole to poke. How many players don't cheese for like 30 straight games? Flash is literally like the most straight up player in all of SC right now. To get on his case for a cheese is truly ridiculous and I can't believe how many people on TL are harping over it. It's pretty much the dumbest thing people have complained about in recent memory.

Flash cheesed Bisu out of OSL in 2007! Flash cheesed JD once in OSL in December 2009! Flash is a cheeser who doesn't care about fans!

Just retarded.

look this is not complicated

Mooncat wondered why Flash has so many anti-fans all of a sudden
A reason that Flash has so many anti-fans all of a sudden is cause he cheesed Jaedong

I agree that it is silly to criticize Flash for cheesing Jaedong, but I am sad that we didn't get to see an epic game or two that Jaedong must have spent a lot of time practicing for. I don't hate Flash for this but some people do.


Sorry, I didn't really mean to direct that at you. I was just expressing how ridiculous some people are sounding right now with their nitpicking of Flash - especially the "he's a cheeser" part which, if you have watched Flash for the past 18 months, is like the thing he LACKS the most in his gameplay.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
December 26 2009 11:41 GMT
#1651
Seeing BeSt's determination not to make HT's in TvP and Flash's impeccable MnM control. He should just Deep 6 BeSt. I saw Best get roflstomped by it once before I believe on Tornado.
Graphics
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 26 2009 11:41 GMT
#1652
On December 26 2009 20:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 20:32 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:30 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:28 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:27 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:26 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:25 Lebesgue wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:23 Scaramanga wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:20 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:18 XiaoLongNuSucks wrote:
had zero not gone guardian the outcome may've been different. what a crappy day, the 2nd highest seeded zerg lost T.T. now there are only Best and Jaedong left to stop that faggot Flash.

<--- I think this emote sucks, but seriously

Yeah seriously people need to start following the rules


The amount of retards the last two days attracted to TL is just astonishing. People throwing insults left and righ, shit talking, trolling. It becomes just unbearable.

In fairness: Shine

Not funny.

Neither is the idea of a Flash vs Shine OSL final

I think you mean Calm vs Movie final. Oh yes. It shall come to pass. Maybe. I don't know. Anyway. Shine deserves respect.

Shine deserves respect and I freely admit that his play has been impressive but dude we could have had Flash vs Stork and instead we're going to have Flash vs someone who doesn't stand a chance against him.

Calm is one of my favorite players but you've got to start thinking realistically to ease the inevitable pain. The only question in my mind is whether it will be 3-1 Flash or 3-0 Flash.


Let us immediately agree to disagree.

Sure thing, Calm fighting
brood war for life, brood war forever
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-26 11:43:03
December 26 2009 11:42 GMT
#1653
On December 26 2009 20:41 SilverskY wrote:
Seeing BeSt's determination not to make HT's in TvP and Flash's impeccable MnM control. He should just Deep 6 BeSt. I saw Best get roflstomped by it once before I believe on Tornado.


Yeah, you do not want to go to late game against Best.

Best is the only player who fully out-macroes Flash
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 26 2009 11:42 GMT
#1654
On December 26 2009 20:39 darktreb wrote:
Funny I'm about to say this after all the "Flash is straight up defense" but I wouldn't be surprised if Flash had one or even TWO cheeses planned for the Best series.

He's quite possibly not facing a P the rest of the Starleague season (and he's almost definitely not facing a P in MSL maps), so there's no reason not to go all out, especially if he can't figure out a new "answer" to TvP.

I actually really like it when Flash considers himself even or an underdog to an opponent, because that's what brings out the brilliant cheeser. Seriously people, go back and watch the Monty Hall cheese against Bisu - that was just pure brilliance. And of course the legendary BBS on Katrina (a game in which Flash lost ZERO units) and the already infamous "Jaedong heartbreak".

I would be surprised.
brood war for life, brood war forever
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
December 26 2009 11:42 GMT
#1655
On December 26 2009 20:41 SilverskY wrote:
Seeing BeSt's determination not to make HT's in TvP and Flash's impeccable MnM control. He should just Deep 6 BeSt. I saw Best get roflstomped by it once before I believe on Tornado.


Ya but I can't imagine Best not being super assertive with his scouting against Flash, just like on Fighting Spirit. I don't think a deep 6 is working against Best again.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 26 2009 11:43 GMT
#1656
On December 26 2009 20:41 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2009 20:37 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:34 darktreb wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:30 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:28 darktreb wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:27 Crunchums wrote:
On December 26 2009 20:26 Mooncat wrote:
Can't believe how many anti-fans Flash has all of a sudden. Wtf? He's playing straight up, he's dominating and he's modest and likeable in his interviews. What's your fucking problem?

uhhhhhhhhhhhh


Oops sorry he didn't play straight up once while going 40-2 in TvT and TvZ. Gee sorry about that.

what has happened in the past doesn't account for what's happening "all of a sudden"
also I do not hate flash and was fine with him cheesing jaedong
just poking holes in arguments


It's a pretty dumb hole to poke. How many players don't cheese for like 30 straight games? Flash is literally like the most straight up player in all of SC right now. To get on his case for a cheese is truly ridiculous and I can't believe how many people on TL are harping over it. It's pretty much the dumbest thing people have complained about in recent memory.

Flash cheesed Bisu out of OSL in 2007! Flash cheesed JD once in OSL in December 2009! Flash is a cheeser who doesn't care about fans!

Just retarded.

look this is not complicated

Mooncat wondered why Flash has so many anti-fans all of a sudden
A reason that Flash has so many anti-fans all of a sudden is cause he cheesed Jaedong

I agree that it is silly to criticize Flash for cheesing Jaedong, but I am sad that we didn't get to see an epic game or two that Jaedong must have spent a lot of time practicing for. I don't hate Flash for this but some people do.


Sorry, I didn't really mean to direct that at you. I was just expressing how ridiculous some people are sounding right now with their nitpicking of Flash - especially the "he's a cheeser" part which, if you have watched Flash for the past 18 months, is like the thing he LACKS the most in his gameplay.

OK cool; there have certainly been a lot of ridiculous comments regarding Flash lately.
brood war for life, brood war forever
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 26 2009 11:44 GMT
#1657
On December 26 2009 20:41 SilverskY wrote:
Seeing BeSt's determination not to make HT's in TvP and Flash's impeccable MnM control. He should just Deep 6 BeSt. I saw Best get roflstomped by it once before I believe on Tornado.

by if.classic
wasn't really a roflstomp but it worked
brood war for life, brood war forever
VabuDeltaKaiser
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany1107 Posts
December 26 2009 11:45 GMT
#1658
flash is a cheeser
my smiley drinks green tea. works. just, the commercial investments are lower.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 26 2009 11:45 GMT
#1659
oh man as ridiculous as people can be on forums who the fuck cares flash vs best bo5 omgomgomgomg

how soon is it?
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
December 26 2009 11:45 GMT
#1660
On December 26 2009 20:37 VioleTAK wrote:
Kwanro vs Bogus... what a lukewarm tasteless soup. Kwanro, don't even think about worming your way up to another sad finals, fans will stop showing up to live matches all together.

So much hate.
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