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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 09 2009 06:29 GMT
#741
On December 09 2009 15:28 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 15:27 meegrean wrote:
Effort won effortlessly.

A BO win will tend to do that for you.

BO advantage, and it's not like Hyuk didn't have his chances after picking off sooooo many of Effort's drones.
Jaedong
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7535 Posts
December 09 2009 06:29 GMT
#742
On December 09 2009 15:27 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 15:26 AttackZerg wrote:
On December 09 2009 15:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:
To the Good ZvZ players, why doesn't the opponent of someone who's sporing take an expansion right when mutas pop?

Normally you will have A)not enough money from producing lords + saving for muta b) normally with overpool fast mutas your oppt will have more lings so then your mutas are tied at home while he pulls even farther ahead

But the alternative is a slow, painful loss.


It depends. At there level yes at more casual gaming levels you can 1 base pump muta and get many muta + drones while sniping lords/lings/drones then expand.

It is all-in at that point anyway ...
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
December 09 2009 06:29 GMT
#743
i have never gotten on the hyuk bandwagon. ive always thought and still think he sucks
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Coffee
Profile Joined March 2008
United Kingdom347 Posts
December 09 2009 06:29 GMT
#744
bs was it bo win -_-. hyuk was ahead, effort had what? 2 drones at main and 5 at expo? hyuk shoulda expanded, his lings plus 3 muta could fend off all the ling effort had, he gg'd himself.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
December 09 2009 06:31 GMT
#745
On December 09 2009 15:29 29 fps wrote:
i have never gotten on the hyuk bandwagon. ive always thought and still think he sucks


He doesn't though. One loss is not a bad player make.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
monstar123
Profile Joined December 2008
United States516 Posts
December 09 2009 06:31 GMT
#746
Can someone answer me why Best is not playing ?
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
December 09 2009 06:31 GMT
#747
On December 09 2009 15:26 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 15:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:
To the Good ZvZ players, why doesn't the opponent of someone who's sporing take an expansion right when mutas pop?

Normally you will have A)not enough money from producing lords + saving for muta b) normally with overpool fast mutas your oppt will have more lings so then your mutas are tied at home while he pulls even farther ahead


No one goes overpool anymore. It's strictly 9pool, overgaspool, 12pool expo, and 12hatch.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
December 09 2009 06:31 GMT
#748
On December 09 2009 15:28 tree.hugger wrote:
Hell yeah (Z)EffOrt.

I feel so much better now! Apparently EffOrt has the (T)Flash complex where he just cannot lose twice in the same day of proleague.


it's a (Z)Jaedong complex too (except for finals)
BW is back
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 09 2009 06:32 GMT
#749
On December 09 2009 15:31 Jackal03 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 15:28 tree.hugger wrote:
Hell yeah (Z)EffOrt.

I feel so much better now! Apparently EffOrt has the (T)Flash complex where he just cannot lose twice in the same day of proleague.


it's a (Z)Jaedong complex too (except for finals)

Fanboyism ^ ^ (KTF v. STX : Kal and Calm)
Jaedong
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
December 09 2009 06:32 GMT
#750
On December 09 2009 15:29 Coffee wrote:
bs was it bo win -_-. hyuk was ahead, effort had what? 2 drones at main and 5 at expo? hyuk shoulda expanded, his lings plus 3 muta could fend off all the ling effort had, he gg'd himself.


that wouldnt have worked, the timing would be off and effort would have more mutas and would've easily won by the time his second gas was up, plus effort would have spores giving his own mutas more mobility

AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7535 Posts
December 09 2009 06:32 GMT
#751
On December 09 2009 15:28 Mystlord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 15:26 AttackZerg wrote:
On December 09 2009 15:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:
To the Good ZvZ players, why doesn't the opponent of someone who's sporing take an expansion right when mutas pop?

Normally you will have A)not enough money from producing lords + saving for muta b) normally with overpool fast mutas your oppt will have more lings so then your mutas are tied at home while he pulls even farther ahead

At that point in the game though, where Effort clearly didn't have a ling advantage, wouldn't it have been obviously better to expand?

Not to mention that if you're trying to hit his economy with your Mutas, you're trying to equalize, so the risk would outweigh the benefits, especially since Effort's mutas were going to pop at that point.


I was giving a general line of reasoning not at all specific to this game ...
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6113 Posts
December 09 2009 06:32 GMT
#752
Effort had the BO advantage, but Hyuk almost caught up due to the bad spore position.

Send Bisu next time out ffs.
#1 Terran hater
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
December 09 2009 06:32 GMT
#753
On December 09 2009 15:29 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 15:28 Chen wrote:
On December 09 2009 15:27 meegrean wrote:
Effort won effortlessly.

A BO win will tend to do that for you.

BO advantage, and it's not like Hyuk didn't have his chances after picking off sooooo many of Effort's drones.

how did he have a chance? it was still 2 hatch 2 gas zerg vs 1/2 hatch 1 gas zerg.
Correct me if im wrong, but Effort did nothing special to win that game other than getting those 2 scourge hits on those mutas in the middle of the map. Just went 12-pool expand, made spores, forced hyuk to go for a desperate all-in attack which failed.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
December 09 2009 06:33 GMT
#754
what a huge disappointment for an ace match between cj and skt. im so fucking sick of zvzs...
just imagine a sexy sair/reaver pvz on outsider between bisu and effort... but no, lets send hyuk.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
December 09 2009 06:33 GMT
#755
that's the winning trio:

skyhigh, movie and effort

we'll do great this round (if no one starts slumping, obviously)
BW is back
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-09 06:33:41
December 09 2009 06:33 GMT
#756
I felt Hyuk`s attack at the nat near the end was bad as well.. he barely used his mutas from what the replya showed.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 09 2009 06:34 GMT
#757
On December 09 2009 15:32 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 15:29 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On December 09 2009 15:28 Chen wrote:
On December 09 2009 15:27 meegrean wrote:
Effort won effortlessly.

A BO win will tend to do that for you.

BO advantage, and it's not like Hyuk didn't have his chances after picking off sooooo many of Effort's drones.

how did he have a chance? it was still 2 hatch 2 gas zerg vs 1/2 hatch 1 gas zerg.
Correct me if im wrong, but Effort did nothing special to win that game other than getting those 2 scourge hits on those mutas in the middle of the map. Just went 12-pool expand, made spores, forced hyuk to go for a desperate all-in attack which failed.

Hyuk should've expanded. BS about all that throw timings off. Make 3 mutas, ur opponents have no mutas= total map control. This is when Hyuk's spire pops, which is actually pretty early. He would've had a chance.
Jaedong
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
December 09 2009 06:35 GMT
#758
On December 09 2009 15:29 Coffee wrote:
bs was it bo win -_-. hyuk was ahead, effort had what? 2 drones at main and 5 at expo? hyuk shoulda expanded, his lings plus 3 muta could fend off all the ling effort had, he gg'd himself.

2 drones? really? thats exaggerating a little to much. Hyuk only killed like 4-5 of them, Effort had 3 on gas and 4-5 on those protected mineral patches. they were stacked so it didnt look like he had alot. and i think you highly underestimate the time it takes to build an expo, esp relative to ZvZ
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
December 09 2009 06:35 GMT
#759
On December 09 2009 15:31 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 15:29 29 fps wrote:
i have never gotten on the hyuk bandwagon. ive always thought and still think he sucks


He doesn't though. One loss is not a bad player make.


not just this loss. loss vs anytime, terribad vs terrans
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
December 09 2009 06:36 GMT
#760
man skyhigh is killing my anti team =(
In the woods, there lurks..
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