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Nanoo
Profile Joined March 2009
229 Posts
December 03 2009 13:32 GMT
#1081
we (protosses) still have (P)Kal rite?
miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
December 03 2009 13:33 GMT
#1082
GCHIZZLE! GCHIIZZZZLLLEEE


holy shit I cannot WAIT for the vods on this one.
"Jinro soo manly wearing only a T-Shirt while the Koreans freeze in their jackets" -- Double_O
"He's from Sweden, man. We have to fight polar bears on our way to school." -- Yusername
loupouk
Profile Joined May 2003
France105 Posts
December 03 2009 13:33 GMT
#1083
I'm starting to like bogus, he played very well this 3 games. It's a good thing he advanced, he is way more entertaining than bisu.
zuqbu
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany797 Posts
December 03 2009 13:34 GMT
#1084
On December 03 2009 22:17 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2009 22:12 zuqbu wrote:
blind fanboyism seems to make people believe that a former champion, who hasn't actually proved any of his skill nor shown results in the past >1 year in individual leagues, somehow deserves to move past Ro32 despite not being able to beat players like guemchi and bogus.


Bisu made it past the group stage of MSL on 5 occasions. In 4 of the cases he was one of the finalists, in the 5th, he made it to the Ro8. I'm not saying its ultimately true, but whenever he managed to advance, he really made it deep. Thats why I disagree with ppl saying that, he is potentially a worse addition to the MSL, because he played worse than Bogus or GuemChi in the groups


don't get me wrong, bisu would be a wonderful addition to the msl, if he would be in shape. and it's not that i dislike bisu, i just think there is a huge discrepancy between his recognition and actual performance in the past year.
o_O
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-03 13:35:11
December 03 2009 13:34 GMT
#1085
On December 03 2009 22:12 LosingID8 wrote:
in a skyscraper located somewhere in seoul, a room full of NATE executives are all shouting FFFFUUUUUU

haha, this is so true!
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 03 2009 13:34 GMT
#1086
...LOL
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
December 03 2009 13:38 GMT
#1087
FUCK YEAH GUEMCHI

Although I would have preferred Savior to advance alongside him... it's all good since he took the 2-0.

+ Show Spoiler +
(lol bisu fanboys)
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
LetMeShine
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
979 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-03 13:55:48
December 03 2009 13:39 GMT
#1088
On December 03 2009 22:27 meeple wrote:
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On December 03 2009 22:20 LetMeShine wrote:
On December 03 2009 22:17 disciple wrote:
On December 03 2009 22:12 zuqbu wrote:
blind fanboyism seems to make people believe that a former champion, who hasn't actually proved any of his skill nor shown results in the past >1 year in individual leagues, somehow deserves to move past Ro32 despite not being able to beat players like guemchi and bogus.


Bisu make it past the group stage of MSL on 4 occasions. In 3 of the cases he was one of the finalists, in the 4th, he made it to the Ro8. I'm not saying its ultimately true, but whenever he managed to advance, he really made it deep. Thats why I disagree with ppl saying that, he deserved to be outed, because he played worse than Bogus or GuemChi.


Uh then because of that reason, Bogus and Guemchi should just stand up, take their headphones out, and tap out before they split their workers?

He played worse than Guemchi and Bogus and thus lost to them. Thus he doesn't deserve to make it to the next round while Guemchi and Bogus do (although cheesing an opponent to win is really dodgy IMHO but hey its not like SKT1 is not familiar with cheesing to win important games).


The manner in which he was kicked out was particularly disappointing seeing as he has a lot of potential to produce great games. Its true that he played worse than Guemchi and Bogus, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that he's a worse player than them. Anyone can lose to cheese, and it was a really silly mistake that led him to his defeat against guemchi. Usually you hope that the better players make it to the next round, and in this case I can't bring myself to say that Bisu is on average a worse player than Guemchi and Bogus.



No one is saying Guemchi is better than Bisu or whatever. Yes, its disappointing that Bisu, one of the top protoss players, didn't get through but it is up to him to show these kids that why his name is in Taek-Bang-Lee-Ssang. I think Bisu needs to do some soul searching, like the once arrogant Flash did, and realise why he's losing so often against really dodgy opponents.

The hate aimed towards Guemchi and Bogus is disgusting to be honest. Despite the trashtalk from Bogus, its obvious the pair prepared hard for this tough group and it obviously paid off as both are getting through to the next round. Due to this its up to the superstars of Starcraft to perform and show why they're superstars; simply because they have tons of potential to produce awesome games doesn't mean a free trip to the Ro4 should be handed to them on a silver platter. Seriously, just look at Jaedong and Flash so far - there's no messing around, they just play normally and show their opponent why they're the best...there is no reason why Bisu, the man who 3-0ed Savior in his prime, cannot do the same.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
December 03 2009 13:39 GMT
#1089
On December 03 2009 22:38 Realpenguin wrote:
FUCK YEAH GUEMCHI

Although I would have preferred Savior to advance alongside him... it's all good since he took the 2-0.

+ Show Spoiler +
(lol bisu fanboys)


I was expecting more pics from you RP, G-chizzle bonjwa and so on and so forth.
cHicKeLoR
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany559 Posts
December 03 2009 13:39 GMT
#1090
wow... no bisu... no savior... suddenly the msl got a lot less interessting... I just cannot see Bogus or Guemchi winning this league. I mean sure they may do incredible well... but winning? No way.
Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
December 03 2009 13:39 GMT
#1091
I don´t get, how can you claim it´s bad for professional starcraft that the same players doesn't advance every tournament? I agree Bisu is(or at least have been) capable of doing amazing games, but saying he should advance just because he is Bisu is just petty and bad for e-sports. Bisu just has to learn to not throw away games.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
December 03 2009 13:42 GMT
#1092
2002 NATE OSL RETURNS WITH A VENGEANCE
dats racist
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 03 2009 13:43 GMT
#1093
On December 03 2009 22:42 MrHoon wrote:
2002 NATE OSL RETURNS WITH A VENGEANCE


LOL
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-03 13:44:45
December 03 2009 13:44 GMT
#1094
On December 03 2009 22:39 Sadistx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2009 22:38 Realpenguin wrote:
FUCK YEAH GUEMCHI

Although I would have preferred Savior to advance alongside him... it's all good since he took the 2-0.

+ Show Spoiler +
(lol bisu fanboys)


I was expecting more pics from you RP, G-chizzle bonjwa and so on and so forth.

Can't make any obnoxious image macros right now since I just woke up to check results. But at least I can show you this picture that proves Guemchi is bonjwa:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

On December 03 2009 22:42 MrHoon wrote:
2002 NATE OSL RETURNS WITH A VENGEANCE

ROFL
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
December 03 2009 13:44 GMT
#1095
On December 03 2009 22:12 Promises wrote: So who are the Protosses still in MSL and OSL? MSL has only Best and Stats?
Guemchi, for e.g:-p
Also Kal and JangBi are yet to play their group games.

On December 03 2009 22:32 Nanoo wrote:
we (protosses) still have (P)Kal rite?
Damned straight!
BW fighting!
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 03 2009 13:44 GMT
#1096
we haven't had a good MSL final since Arena...and it doesn't look like it's gonna start from here
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 03 2009 13:48 GMT
#1097
On December 03 2009 22:39 Appendix wrote:
I don´t get, how can you claim it´s bad for professional starcraft that the same players doesn't advance every tournament? I agree Bisu is(or at least have been) capable of doing amazing games, but saying he should advance just because he is Bisu is just petty and bad for e-sports. Bisu just has to learn to not throw away games.


We shouldn't say Bisu should advance because he's the better player? Bisu is better than Guemchi and Bogus... just because he lost to them, doesn't make them better. The better player is supposed to advance, thats why this is disappointing.

It's like watching a squirrel get run over. He should've turned around, and not become a friggin road pizza, but he didn't turn around and his innards were splattered all over the highway. It doesn't change the fact that we can be sad that he should've turned around.
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
December 03 2009 13:53 GMT
#1098
f bogus, f nerd
김태연 | 정은지 | 아이유 |  한효주 | 이민정 <3 -|||- 소녀시대 에이핑크 사랑해!
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
December 03 2009 13:55 GMT
#1099
Why the fucking heck did this group play today instead of group C? And why didn't I know about it!??!
Argghhgg!!!

And... omg MJY ((
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
December 03 2009 13:56 GMT
#1100
It's too bad that the discussion is centering around Savior and Bisu when one of the best games this MSL was played between Bogus and Guemchi.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
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