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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On December 03 2009 22:12 LosingID8 wrote: in a skyscraper located somewhere in seoul, a room full of NATE executives are all shouting FFFFUUUUUU And in my chair, I'm also shouting FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! | ||
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zuqbu
Germany797 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Interista90
Vietnam16 Posts
On December 03 2009 21:59 ggrrg wrote: Exactly! And I bet the MSL won't have any trouble finding a sponsor for the next league... Yes! And MSL DIE. | ||
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LetMeShine
979 Posts
On December 03 2009 22:12 Gann1 wrote: Unless he runs into the mighty Kwanro again. Well...its not a problem anymore. Flash actually builds turrets these days. | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On December 03 2009 22:07 okum wrote: Right now I'm really, really scared that Flash might go the way of the Bisu and Stork too. The common thread between Bisu and Stork is both had to prepare for all three races, with brand new maps in the pool. Both Bisu and Stork were eliminated by Terrans who clearly crafted a careful build for that game. It's not an excuse for Bisu/Stork, but it's not a coincidence either. | ||
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Noxide
United States2870 Posts
On December 03 2009 22:12 Promises wrote: So who are the Protosses still in MSL and OSL? MSL has only Best and Stats? Guemchi? lol | ||
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Noxide
United States2870 Posts
On December 03 2009 22:13 darktreb wrote: The common thread between Bisu and Stork is both had to prepare for all three races, with brand new maps in the pool. Both Bisu and Stork were eliminated by Terrans who clearly crafted a careful build for that game. It's not an excuse for Bisu/Stork, but it's not a coincidence either. Stork played pretty poor that game and it was a standard build from Canata. People underestimate him but his mech is actually decent. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On December 03 2009 22:12 zuqbu wrote: blind fanboyism seems to make people believe that a former champion, who hasn't actually proved any of his skill nor shown results in the past >1 year in individual leagues, somehow deserves to move past Ro32 despite not being able to beat players like guemchi and bogus. Bisu keeps screwing up in the early rounds, but he can at least play a damn exciting Bo5 against Flash or Jaedong. Flash/Jaedong vs Guemchi/Bogus just results in horrible rape. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
On December 03 2009 22:12 zuqbu wrote: blind fanboyism seems to make people believe that a former champion, who hasn't actually proved any of his skill nor shown results in the past >1 year in individual leagues, somehow deserves to move past Ro32 despite not being able to beat players like guemchi and bogus. Bisu made it past the group stage of MSL on 5 occasions. In 4 of the cases he was one of the finalists, in the 5th, he made it to the Ro8. I'm not saying its ultimately true, but whenever he managed to advance, he really made it deep. Thats why I disagree with ppl saying that, he is potentially a worse addition to the MSL, because he played worse than Bogus or GuemChi in the groups | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On December 03 2009 22:15 Noxide wrote: Stork played pretty poor that game and it was a standard build from Canata. It was pretty standard but not completely - he knew 100% that he would face a Protoss on Ultimatum (since Stork vs Movie was the other match) and incorporated cliffing Stork's natural at an annoying time really well. While he couldn't have planned for close positions (and an exposed natural cliff, a 1/3 best case scenario for him), he capitalized exactly as you should and the storms Stork ended up wasting on cleaning it up might have cost him the game, because he could really have used 2 more storms during Canata's big push. | ||
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
On December 03 2009 22:12 zuqbu wrote: blind fanboyism seems to make people believe that a former champion, who hasn't actually proved any of his skill nor shown results in the past >1 year in individual leagues, somehow deserves to move past Ro32 despite not being able to beat players like guemchi and bogus. What is this about "blind fanboyism"? It's pretty damn disappointing when the best Protoss of all time, and one of the three best players at any given time doesn't advance. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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[AhunGrY]MelOn
United States357 Posts
On December 03 2009 22:10 nayumi wrote: The thing is, players like Bisu, they might perform poorly in one or two games, but overall they're often capable of delivering good competition (and entertainment). The like of Bogus, sure they can spark, but like what? one in a blue moon? ... Then what's next? Getting crushed in less than 10 minutes by another mediocre player, which leads to a Frozean vs TheZerg kind of final? I'm not saying Bisu deserved to move on. If he didn't win, he didn't deserve it, period. But it sucks so much from most BW fans' point of view. Seriously who would want another Kwanro vs Calm finals? to be fair kwanro v calm was a much better finals than yarnc v jaedong in terms of game quality | ||
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LetMeShine
979 Posts
On December 03 2009 22:17 disciple wrote: Bisu make it past the group stage of MSL on 4 occasions. In 3 of the cases he was one of the finalists, in the 4th, he made it to the Ro8. I'm not saying its ultimately true, but whenever he managed to advance, he really made it deep. Thats why I disagree with ppl saying that, he deserved to be outed, because he played worse than Bogus or GuemChi. Uh then because of that reason, Bogus and Guemchi should just stand up, take their headphones out, and tap out before they split their workers? He played worse than Guemchi and Bogus and thus lost to them. Thus he doesn't deserve to make it to the next round while Guemchi and Bogus do. Although cheesing an opponent to win is really dodgy IMHO but hey its not like SKT1 is not familiar with cheesing to win important games...Boxer with Yellow and Fantasy with Jaedong are two massive, massive examples of this. Disappointing that two stars are already out, but what is disappointing is not that Guemchi and Bogus won, because its obvious that the two of them prepared really hard for their games, but Bisu, and perhaps Savior too, for not bringing their A game to show these two scrubs why they'll never get far in a Starleague. Guemchi and Bogus definitely don't deserve the hate they're currently getting. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On December 03 2009 21:58 meegrean wrote: i guess bogus was kinda right when he said this group was the easiest lol. Yeah he even let guemchi beat him so that he could have some fun with Bisu . Next time he should probably set himself up with Jaedong Flash and Stork so that he wouldn't have to lose 1 game out of boredom . | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
And yes, Bisu vs JD (don't bring up WCG here, we all know it would be a better series in a Starleague) or Bisu vs Flash is pretty much guaranteed to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Guemchi/Bogus vs JD or Flash. It's not even comparable. Stork played like crap for 4 straight games, does that mean he's not still an elite and exciting player? Watch Stork vs Flash from OSL last night and you'll see what happens when one of the top 2 or 3 players in a given race gears up and plays another top 3 player. That alone justifies people lamenting that he didn't advance. I mean come on, you'd rather have Guemchi than Bisu just cause he capitalized on one retarded game by Bisu? At least Bogus is really young and looks like he has a lot of potential. Guemchi looks like one of those P's who will never completely figure it out and be decent for awhile but never contend for a starleague. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Bogus is promising, I havent seen his TvT, but his TvP and TvZ look pretty good Edit: also I hope Bogus gets his name changed and hopefully it changes on TLPD too, bogus just sounds horrible, what nick is going by now? | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On December 03 2009 22:20 LetMeShine wrote: Uh then because of that reason, Bogus and Guemchi should just stand up, take their headphones out, and tap out before they split their workers? He played worse than Guemchi and Bogus and thus lost to them. Thus he doesn't deserve to make it to the next round while Guemchi and Bogus do (although cheesing an opponent to win is really dodgy IMHO but hey its not like SKT1 is not familiar with cheesing to win important games). The manner in which he was kicked out was particularly disappointing seeing as he has a lot of potential to produce great games. Its true that he played worse than Guemchi and Bogus, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that he's a worse player than them. Anyone can lose to cheese, and it was a really silly mistake that led him to his defeat against guemchi. Usually you hope that the better players make it to the next round, and in this case I can't bring myself to say that Bisu is on average a worse player than Guemchi and Bogus. | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On December 03 2009 22:27 meeple wrote: The manner in which he was kicked out was particularly disappointing seeing as he has a lot of potential to produce great games. Its true that he played worse than Guemchi and Bogus, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that he's a worse player than them. Anyone can lose to cheese, and it was a really silly mistake that led him to his defeat against guemchi. Usually you hope that the better players make it to the next round, and in this case I can't bring myself to say that Bisu is on average a worse player than Guemchi and Bogus. It's seriously not even debatable yet. People play poorly on a bad day - it happens. But Bisu is and will be a far better player than Guemchi or Bogus for the short term future. | ||
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