[OSL] Ever 2009 OSL - Ro16 - Day 3 - Page 60

On December 03 2009 04:00 GinNtoniC wrote:

How did people not immediately smell carriers even before the 12 minute mark when there was a stargate planted without a templar archives and the core was spinning?
I mean, even before flash made his first 5-6 tank push.
Then everyone - including the announcers - go apeshit when the fleet beacon is planted.
I was totally surprised by the fact that everyone was... well, totally surprised by that

On December 03 2009 01:43 StorkHwaiting wrote:


Does a proxy base count in place of proxy gates? Stork took the base right above Flash rofl.

Although I've never heard of unhindered counter-attack path as a Protoss imba o_0. Nor expansions far away from each other being a Protoss exclusive... Zerg regularly do this and I've seen Terran try to ninja expo that way vs Toss... but maybe you were just kidding

On December 03 2009 01:57 Holgerius wrote:
Rofl. Great advice there; I'm definitely gonna stop allowing my opponents to choose to do that in the future. Why have I never thought of that myself? XD You're a genius, Idra.

It would be nice to hear some real progamer analysis of the game though.

On December 03 2009 06:32 Sunyveil wrote:


I had 'hidden expo', so no proxy base can't really count twice

So the way stork walled off with a cannon, it would have been impossible for Flash to take out the bottom right expo without dedicating a large portion of his army there AND sieging, which takes forever. The clock was ticking because Stork had carrier tech, and there was no way for flash to take out both bottom right and top left in a timely manner (Stork's goal of buying time for a critical mass of carriers would have been achieved anyway).

Flash did the only thing he could, which was to try to smash the protoss front door and kill off Stork's nat, main, and stargates, but Stork just counterattacked due to the circular nature of the map. On a map like say Destination, the Protoss would have to cross bridges or go up and down small ramps in order to move his army to counterattack, which would have made it much less effective. In any case, the counterattack forced Flash to retreat enough of his army to buy Stork all the time he needed. So basically, as soon as Stork walled off bottom right, top left, and had carrier tech he had won. And there was nothing Flash could do about it.

oh, and ninja terran expos don't work because they're easier to shut down than protoss expos. Terran players can't make cannons, meaning they'd have to dedicate troops to the expo, in which case there's no point in the expo being 'ninja'



I don't think I've ever heard any competitive Terran disagree.

On December 03 2009 07:29 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
-sigh- i went 1 for 4

> <;; how did Shine beat Fantasy?
...i can never pin a label on this guy

and.. Stork vs Flash i feel like i need to watch that game NOW

On December 03 2009 07:51 tree.hugger wrote:


fantasy used a build that Clam had given him.



I still can't get over this.

Shine is terrible, and in the last two weeks he's beaten my two favorite players. Someone embarrass this cheesy zerg.

On December 03 2009 04:44 OneOther wrote:

this is exactly what i thought lol. the moment i saw the core spinning with stargate i knew he was going carriers. he just had to delay it to fend off flash's timing attack. i do not understand how commentators completely missed this...?

On December 03 2009 09:08 darktreb wrote:


Were they going crazy because they were surprised? Maybe it was just because it was Stork going Carriers against Flash, one of the things that helped define modern SC (and Flash's career).

On December 03 2009 09:15 GinNtoniC wrote:

Personally I don't speak Korean, so I can't accurately comment on that, but just looking at this LR thread gives away how every other TL member was all "OMG IS HE GOING CARRIERS !?" around the time the fleet beacon was planted - as if there was any reason to suspect anything else for the previous 4-5 minutes.