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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
November 18 2009 14:08 GMT
#201
so MBC just ignored the whole 1-8, then 9-16 in reverse group order (1 + 16, 2 + 15, 3 + 14, etc)?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 18 2009 14:26 GMT
#202
this thread is 11 pages and it hasn't even started! ;o
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
November 18 2009 15:07 GMT
#203
On November 18 2009 22:55 Mykill wrote:
stupid stupid MBC
they're just trying to make more $$
group of death = fun fun fun!


It's fun fun fun when you watch the group, then after only two advance from that group, it's weep weep weep as you watch potential snoozers come the Ro16 and beyond because two of the good players got eliminated right off the bat.

lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
November 18 2009 15:12 GMT
#204
I am more pumped for the OSL ro16, but since only the MSL thread is out...

like Apex said, groups of death suck because than you are stuck with far less capable players in the rest of the tourny. Sure it may be fun to watch, but it will be alot more fun to watch those players compete in the later stages.

So who is currently in the MSL and the OSL?
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
November 18 2009 17:28 GMT
#205
Wait, are the seeded players fixed in their own group or can they still move themselves around and insert themselves into other groups?

For example, can Iris move himself out of Group C if he doesn't want to face against Flash to move out of his group?
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
November 18 2009 18:17 GMT
#206
Excited for pics TBH
TranslatorBaa!
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
November 18 2009 18:20 GMT
#207
I hope Savior chooses Bisu =D
Jaedong :3
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
November 18 2009 18:22 GMT
#208
On November 18 2009 23:26 alffla wrote:
this thread is 11 pages and it hasn't even started! ;o

Because Group selections are one of the most interesting things in progaming. Besides, MSL Group Selection is more complicated and entertaining than OSL GS.
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
November 18 2009 18:24 GMT
#209
On November 17 2009 08:38 Darthturtle wrote:
(P)Movie vs (Z)Kwanro finals. That's what I want for Christmas.

(Z)sAviOr vs (Z)July finals. That's what I want.
Doriath
Profile Joined October 2009
United States18 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 19:11:09
November 18 2009 19:10 GMT
#210
On November 19 2009 02:28 dukethegold wrote:
Wait, are the seeded players fixed in their own group or can they still move themselves around and insert themselves into other groups?

For example, can Iris move himself out of Group C if he doesn't want to face against Flash to move out of his group?


He could just move Flash..

I'm pretty sure the seeds can move each other around so I don't see any reason why they couldn't move themselves if they wanted to.
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
November 18 2009 19:19 GMT
#211
On November 19 2009 04:10 Doriath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2009 02:28 dukethegold wrote:
Wait, are the seeded players fixed in their own group or can they still move themselves around and insert themselves into other groups?

For example, can Iris move himself out of Group C if he doesn't want to face against Flash to move out of his group?


He could just move Flash..

I'm pretty sure the seeds can move each other around so I don't see any reason why they couldn't move themselves if they wanted to.


No they can't.
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 18 2009 20:18 Waxangel wrote:
http://www.dailyesports.com/news/view.daily?idx=18018&page=1

MBCGame's made a pretty significant change to the format

In addition to the eight fixed seeds, there are 8 more players who will also receive fixed spots (cannot be stolen or moved), so only the sixteen players are actually moveable -_-. Those additional eight players are players MBCGame chose at their discretion, based on overall skill and past MSL performances.

The brackets are like this:

Group A Calm vs A2, A3 vs ForGG
Group B Kwanro vs B2, B3 vs Hwasin
Group C Iris vs C2, C3 vs Flash
Group D Jaedong vs D2, D3 vs JulyZerg
Group E Canata vs E2, E3 vs Stork
Group F Bisu vs F2, F3 vs Savior
Group G Zero vs G2, G3 vs Kal
Group H Effort vs H2, H3 vs Jangbi

When you examine the groups, it becomes ridiculously obvious MBCGame is trying to seed its tournament so it can get a minimum amount of popular players to the next round, and avoid the "group of deaths" it has had in the past, and try to get themselves a good finals card for once. One can understand that with a history of terrible finals no one wanted to watch, MBCGame would want to try and fix the brackets. But it is a rather jarring departure from their previous format, which made the group selection quite an exciting event to watch.

All 16 players that are there now are unmovable according to dailyesports.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
November 18 2009 19:42 GMT
#212
Can't wait for this. I'm relieved to hear that Flash will at least have one Terran (lol FvT) in his group no matter what. I still think people will try to throw in two Protoss in his group, though.

This MSL is probably Hwasin's best chance to win a starleague, if he gets lucky with groups. Red Sniper and all that, he could conceivably cruise to the finals without winning a single TvT or TvP.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33592 Posts
November 18 2009 19:50 GMT
#213
On November 19 2009 04:10 Doriath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2009 02:28 dukethegold wrote:
Wait, are the seeded players fixed in their own group or can they still move themselves around and insert themselves into other groups?

For example, can Iris move himself out of Group C if he doesn't want to face against Flash to move out of his group?


He could just move Flash..

I'm pretty sure the seeds can move each other around so I don't see any reason why they couldn't move themselves if they wanted to.


they can't, which is the big change this season
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
November 18 2009 19:54 GMT
#214
Unfortunately, Zero won't be able to use Infested Terrans against Kal this time around.
Zero fighting.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
November 18 2009 20:10 GMT
#215
This fix for groups of death gets thumbs up from me.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
November 18 2009 20:18 GMT
#216
This change makes group selection less interesting, since players have more limited options, but should make for more high quality games late in the season. Overall I think this is a better way.
日本語が分かりますか
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 20:24:00
November 18 2009 20:22 GMT
#217
On November 19 2009 03:22 Bifur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2009 23:26 alffla wrote:
this thread is 11 pages and it hasn't even started! ;o

Because Group selections are one of the most interesting things in progaming. Besides, MSL Group Selection is more complicated and entertaining than OSL GS.


Aye, because ending up with the best players in the same group is always conducive to a great tourny. (This thing about half the players being locked in to a group is a good start tho... as far as I remember it wasn't like that last time was it?).

Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7851 Posts
November 18 2009 20:28 GMT
#218
Thank god they are setting groups imo.
)aguar
Profile Joined November 2008
Czech Republic111 Posts
November 18 2009 20:29 GMT
#219
How to watch:

* Good
* Question
* Post your stream links here and i'll put them in the OP :O
* Thanks to everyone that streams!



will be any stream? :-)
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
November 18 2009 20:43 GMT
#220
so erm. Jaedong and Bisu finals?
cw)minsean(ru
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