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LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
November 18 2009 02:14 GMT
#181
July, you need to get the hell out of jaedong's group.

AND, no one touches Savior and Bisu's place.
blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
November 18 2009 02:38 GMT
#182
die zergs die
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DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
November 18 2009 02:53 GMT
#183
who are A2, A3 B2, B3 etc etc?
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
November 18 2009 02:58 GMT
#184
Those are the empty places that the qualifiers will place themselves into.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8172 Posts
November 18 2009 03:45 GMT
#185
tushin GTFO out of JD's group!
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 18 2009 05:34 GMT
#186
On November 18 2009 07:15 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Jaedong - Effort - Bisu - Effort Group of death would be soo sexy

you have effort twice and I dont think Bisu/Jaedong can be moved around lol
Writerptrk
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
November 18 2009 05:37 GMT
#187
Why, yes, let's have a Jaedong, Bisu, Flash and Effort group of death, might as well eliminate half of the fun early on.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
November 18 2009 05:44 GMT
#188
On November 18 2009 14:34 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2009 07:15 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Jaedong - Effort - Bisu - Effort Group of death would be soo sexy

you have effort twice and I dont think Bisu/Jaedong can be moved around lol

Group of death indeed D:
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
lavion
Profile Joined September 2009
Singapore286 Posts
November 18 2009 10:28 GMT
#189
group of destruction - (Z)sAviOr
Flash for bonjwa
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33637 Posts
November 18 2009 11:18 GMT
#190
http://www.dailyesports.com/news/view.daily?idx=18018&page=1

MBCGame's made a pretty significant change to the format

In addition to the eight fixed seeds, there are 8 more players who will also receive fixed spots (cannot be stolen or moved), so only the sixteen players are actually moveable -_-. Those additional eight players are players MBCGame chose at their discretion, based on overall skill and past MSL performances.

The brackets are like this:

Group A Calm vs A2, A3 vs ForGG
Group B Kwanro vs B2, B3 vs Hwasin
Group C Iris vs C2, C3 vs Flash
Group D Jaedong vs D2, D3 vs JulyZerg
Group E Canata vs E2, E3 vs Stork
Group F Bisu vs F2, F3 vs Savior
Group G Zero vs G2, G3 vs Kal
Group H Effort vs H2, H3 vs Jangbi

When you examine the groups, it becomes ridiculously obvious MBCGame is trying to seed its tournament so it can get a minimum amount of popular players to the next round, and avoid the "group of deaths" it has had in the past, and try to get themselves a good finals card for once. One can understand that with a history of terrible finals no one wanted to watch, MBCGame would want to try and fix the brackets. But it is a rather jarring departure from their previous format, which made the group selection quite an exciting event to watch.

AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33637 Posts
November 18 2009 11:19 GMT
#191
oh looks like I'm old news already :[
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
November 18 2009 11:27 GMT
#192
I think the OP is still missing exact powers of the seeds
+ Show Spoiler [This?] +
시드별 지명권한

17~32번 시드- 빈 자리 중 자신의 자리 선택
16~9번 시드- 자신의 옆자리 변경 가능
8~3번 시드- 대진표를 최대 한 번 변경 가능
2번 시드- 대진표를 최대 두 번 변경 가능
1번 시드- 대진표를 최대 두 번 변경 가능, 추가로 중간 지명권 한 번 존재
(단 중간 지명권은 마지막 지명시 사용할 수 없다)


(also i think the osl group selection changed too)
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
November 18 2009 12:02 GMT
#193
On November 18 2009 20:27 pachi wrote:
I think the OP is still missing exact powers of the seeds
+ Show Spoiler [This?] +
시드별 지명권한

17~32번 시드- 빈 자리 중 자신의 자리 선택
16~9번 시드- 자신의 옆자리 변경 가능
8~3번 시드- 대진표를 최대 한 번 변경 가능
2번 시드- 대진표를 최대 두 번 변경 가능
1번 시드- 대진표를 최대 두 번 변경 가능, 추가로 중간 지명권 한 번 존재
(단 중간 지명권은 마지막 지명시 사용할 수 없다)


(also i think the osl group selection changed too)

Anyone care to translate this so i can update the thread?
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 12:14:58
November 18 2009 12:14 GMT
#194
Google translate (and what I think it means):

Seed 17-32 - choose their place of empty seats (basically can just put their names where they want)
Seed 16-9 - next to you can change their (can switch the movable person that's in their group with another person)
Seed 8-3 - Tables can be changed up to one (can switch any 2 movable people)
No. 2 seed - Tables can be changed up to two times (can do two switches)
1 seed - Tables can be changed up to two times, once more to pick between the presence (not sure what the last phrase means)
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l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
November 18 2009 13:03 GMT
#195
On November 18 2009 21:14 motbob wrote:
Google translate (and what I think it means):

Seed 17-32 - choose their place of empty seats (basically can just put their names where they want)
Seed 16-9 - next to you can change their (can switch the movable person that's in their group with another person)
Seed 8-3 - Tables can be changed up to one (can switch any 2 movable people)
No. 2 seed - Tables can be changed up to two times (can do two switches)
1 seed - Tables can be changed up to two times, once more to pick between the presence (not sure what the last phrase means)


I think that last phrase means that #1 seed can make one switch any time during the group selection in addition to the 2 switches, but they can't use it if it's unused until their turn comes.

Too vague to tell exactly what they're saying without further explanation.
Writer
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
November 18 2009 13:07 GMT
#196
On November 18 2009 20:18 Waxangel wrote:
http://www.dailyesports.com/news/view.daily?idx=18018&page=1

MBCGame's made a pretty significant change to the format

In addition to the eight fixed seeds, there are 8 more players who will also receive fixed spots (cannot be stolen or moved), so only the sixteen players are actually moveable -_-. Those additional eight players are players MBCGame chose at their discretion, based on overall skill and past MSL performances.

The brackets are like this:

Group A Calm vs A2, A3 vs ForGG
Group B Kwanro vs B2, B3 vs Hwasin
Group C Iris vs C2, C3 vs Flash
Group D Jaedong vs D2, D3 vs JulyZerg
Group E Canata vs E2, E3 vs Stork
Group F Bisu vs F2, F3 vs Savior
Group G Zero vs G2, G3 vs Kal
Group H Effort vs H2, H3 vs Jangbi

When you examine the groups, it becomes ridiculously obvious MBCGame is trying to seed its tournament so it can get a minimum amount of popular players to the next round, and avoid the "group of deaths" it has had in the past, and try to get themselves a good finals card for once. One can understand that with a history of terrible finals no one wanted to watch, MBCGame would want to try and fix the brackets. But it is a rather jarring departure from their previous format, which made the group selection quite an exciting event to watch.



Seems like what MSL was last year (fixed 16 players seed). Only difference I see here is if seeds from 8 to 1 cant switch x4 placed players
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 13:19:05
November 18 2009 13:18 GMT
#197
On November 18 2009 07:15 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
Jaedong - Effort - Bisu - Effort Group of death would be soo sexy

The best Group of death would be (Z)Jaedong - (P)Bisu - (P)Stork - (T)Flash, but unfortunately Bisu and Jaedong wouldn't be in the same group.
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
November 18 2009 13:32 GMT
#198
oh so these guys on Waxangels list can't be moved whatsoever, so July is indeed stuck on JD's group and Bisu & Savior will face eachother!

Kal vs Zero gotta be good aswell!
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
November 18 2009 13:55 GMT
#199
stupid stupid MBC
they're just trying to make more $$
group of death = fun fun fun!
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-18 14:20:42
November 18 2009 14:08 GMT
#200
On November 18 2009 22:55 Mykill wrote:
stupid stupid MBC
they're just trying to make more $$
group of death = fun fun fun!


Well after that big failure having 4 protoss at same group is not really what MBC wanted. All mirror groups aren't that interesting to follow.

You have to consider that out of 16 spots there will be 9 zergs, 3 terrans and 4 protoss. This way we wont have too many zvz games.

At the moment only C and D groups can be all mirror groups.

After looking groups again there are no same team members playing same groups at the moment. So thats why seeding is kinda weird. There would be more blaming if MBC would have seeded same team members to same groups. Calm vs Kal, kinda anti STX...

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