EPTOh well... Go Stork! End swarm season!!!
[WCG] 2009 Final: Days 4 and 5 - Page 77
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
Oh well... Go Stork! End swarm season!!! | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
Edit: Stork will stomp JD tomorrow . | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
On November 15 2009 00:57 disciple wrote: Bisu is really stubborn or just stupid. Either way I dont understand why he doesnt try to change his pvz or at least go back to his basics and reinvent his play. He is playing really bad in his supposed to be best MU. Edit: Stork will stomp JD tomorrow . yeah tomorrow stork will find out whether his new pvz will work against korean top zergs. the +1 leg +1 weapon zealot pushing and +1 air combo | ||
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
On November 15 2009 01:02 Baddieko wrote: yeah tomorrow stork will find out whether his new pvz will work against korean top zergs. the +1 leg +1 weapon zealot pushing and +1 air combo I think there are too many +1 in your post. +1 | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 15 2009 00:22 Baddieko wrote: idra's first game in ief wasn't even close. For us and any chobo spectator it looked close, but in progaming terms its utter rape in every aspect. Any semi pro and decent amateur in korea can play this way. Go watch the game again is all I can say. It was not a rape. First off, look at how well Idra handled the early pressure. That early pressure is quite comparable to what Kolll completely fell apart to against Bisu. Idra did not fall apart, he reacted in a great way and showed us some pro gamer micro. Then look at how calmly he handled the DT's by destroying his own comsat. Brilliant presence of mind! And the push would've most likely suceeded if it wasn't for that minedrag. You should really rewatch the game. | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
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Illusion.
United States348 Posts
hes had alot of practice against zergs lately so i hope he is ready... he just needs to get past ling harras and muta harras. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 15 2009 01:13 Tsagacity wrote: Forgive my laziness for not watching the game, but would you please tell me the deal behind Idra destroying his own comsat? Destroying your own comsat to deal with DTs sounds kind of weird o.O lol He just scanned Stork's base and saw Templar tech, so his scanner has 0 energy, right? So then he destroys it and rebuilds it to get 50 energy much faster. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On November 15 2009 01:13 Tsagacity wrote: Forgive my laziness for not watching the game, but would you please tell me the deal behind Idra destroying his own comsat? Destroying your own comsat to deal with DTs sounds kind of weird o.O lol He used a scan and rebuilt the comsat so that he could get another scan right away | ||
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CoL_DarkstaR
Germany649 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On November 15 2009 00:42 1984 wrote: I dunno why are you guys discussing Koll instead of A2. Really, who hasn't won Idra nowadays? But taking a straight long game from Jaedong who's top-1 Kespa with ELO so high it's not even funny is a big achievement. Even considering that A2 is quite an oldschool and Koll is new young talent and what's not. Not to mention that JD was undefeated against terran on Tau Cross which makes A2's win that much more impressive and yet pointless  . | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On November 14 2009 23:45 SuperArc wrote: well the top foreigner you're talking about LOST to koll, why do you think he would have fared better against Stork/Bisu? Dont know why you think im talking about idra, but yea he would be one of them The options why: option a: because it was hard to do worse option b: because they are overal better players option c: i dunno according to your theory chrh would have done better than bisu, after all he beat bisu... not a very solid theory though... | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 15 2009 01:23 CoL_DarkstaR wrote: although i'm biased cause im from germany, i hate people mocking kolll all the time. of course he didnt stand a chance against bisu and stork, that kid is 15 god damn it! idra has played these big names tons of times, and that kid kolll had his first appearance in a big tournament ever, and just beat idra although he must have pissed his pants between all those big gaming names Yeah, anyone who bashes Kolll is a jerk. He had a great tournament, and I expect to see a lot more of him in the future! And yeah, Advokate's win against Jaedong seems underappreciated. I think Jaedong played like an ass in that game, but that really doesn't matter at all; he's the best SC player off all time and a foreigner took him down in a straight up game. WAAAA! How awesome is that? All hail Advokate! | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On the other hand, I hope you win, Stork. Unfortunately, PvZ isn't where your strength lies. I'll understand if you do lose. =( | ||
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Godimus
United States126 Posts
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
On November 15 2009 01:09 Holgerius wrote: Go watch the game again is all I can say. It was not a rape. First off, look at how well Idra handled the early pressure. That early pressure is quite comparable to what Kolll completely fell apart to against Bisu. Idra did not fall apart, he reacted in a great way and showed us some pro gamer micro. Then look at how calmly he handled the DT's by destroying his own comsat. Brilliant presence of mind! And the push would've most likely suceeded if it wasn't for that minedrag. You should really rewatch the game. The minedrag certainly speed things up but the push will not work anyway. Idra lost his timing long ago from being behind in cheese(1 gate against 2 rax is pretty bad). Stork timed his arbiter and gateways for any immediate fastest 6 fac 2 base push in midgame. Its the same situation as fantasy v stork osl final game 2, but that fantasy only lost a bit of timing, idra lost a lot more. I think the measure of skill in progaming is by optimal timing thats why he looks close. Lower tier players will always lose seconds of timing thats why they are. The standard of game is no different from stork playing an osl offline qualifier. The top players almost plays at optimal timing in everything whereas 3rd tier players always lose a bit of timing in their games and are down to 3rd tier. Nowadays esports evolved into something very cruel. Although from foreigners' view he is really impressive in that game, from korean community, progamers, commentators and idra himself i suppose he will think it wasn't close. | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 15 2009 01:41 Baddieko wrote: The minedrag certainly speed things up but the push will not work anyway. Idra lost his timing long ago from being behind in cheese(1 gate against 2 rax is pretty bad). Stork timed his arbiter and gateways for any immediate fastest 6 fac 2 base push in midgame. Its the same situation as fantasy v stork osl final game 2, but that fantasy only lost a bit of timing, idra lost a lot more. I think the measure of skill in progaming is by optimal timing thats why he looks close. Lower tier players will always lose seconds of timing thats why they are. The standard of game is no different from stork playing an osl offline qualifier. The top players almost plays at optimal timing in everything whereas 3rd tier players always lose a bit of timing in their games and are down to 3rd tier. Nowadays esports evolved into something very cruel. Although from foreigners' view he is really impressive in that game, from korean community, progamers, commentators and idra himself i suppose he will think it wasn't close. He had not lost his window. Have you even watched the game? Stork only had a few goons at that point, so there was no way he could've broken the push at that point if Idra had still had those Vultures. It was a really close game until then. That DT won Stork the game. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On November 15 2009 01:54 Holgerius wrote: He had not lost his window. Have you even watched the game? Stork only had a few goons at that point, so there was no way he could've broken the push at that point if Idra had still had those Vultures. It was a really close game until then. That DT won Stork the game. Yeah, Idra really had bad luck in this game. His TvP is his best matchup imo. | ||
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