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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-14 14:48:14
November 14 2009 14:48 GMT
#1501
On November 14 2009 23:45 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 23:42 Kaolla wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:58 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:23 Kaolla wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:14 Camlito wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:12 iamho wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:10 Camlito wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:07 iamho wrote:
lame that this foreigner ive never heard of gets past idra and top chinese so he can get raped 4-0 by pros in one-sided games


..because you haven't heard of him... doesn't mean shit


that fact that he got destroyed does mean shit. at least someone like pj would put up a decent fight



Erm, a foreigner in his worst matchup vs the 2 best protosses ever... what fucking more do you want from a 14 year old kid?



the fact that it's his worst matchup or 14 yr old doesnt rly matter here... he's just another semi finalist, so he is expected to play like one, and i think everyone who saw the games must have thought 'OMG how can that guy be in the semi finals'... The games were just that bad... I think most top foreigners would put up a better fight....


like.. ret did vs jeadong e.g

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ret was inactive at that moment and not a top foreigner... ret vs nada would be more like it, that was when ret was active... draco hasnt been a top foreigner either for a long time so not sure why someone mentioned that...
not sure why you guys defending him so much, i think he should be able to take some criticism and be realistic after all he also was in that being b- in 5 months topic... Have to say i also thought he was a troll so yea thats damn impressive for sure and he's surely one to look out for in the future, but i dont know why ppl are making excuses for the games sucking... it was just a subpar performance and it woulda been more fun if a top foreigner filled the spot instead...


well the top foreigner you're talking about LOST to koll, why do you think he would have fared better against Stork/Bisu?

Honestly watch Idra vs Stork game 1 at IEF and you'll have your answer
ModeratorGood content always wins.
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
November 14 2009 14:49 GMT
#1502
Man PJ:s PvP is so gooood. You must see his games against Stork.
Stork protoss legend
InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
November 14 2009 14:56 GMT
#1503
I'm not even slightly surprised Kolll pulled upsets. Germany and Scandinavia has historically always had very good Starcraft players and the general e-sports level is very high in various games here.

That brings me back to the old topic that Europeans are creative and Asians just copies and refines :O . But I will not confirm that theory it would just start flame wars ^_^
Stork protoss legend
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
November 14 2009 14:56 GMT
#1504
On November 14 2009 23:45 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 23:42 Kaolla wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:58 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:23 Kaolla wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:14 Camlito wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:12 iamho wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:10 Camlito wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:07 iamho wrote:
lame that this foreigner ive never heard of gets past idra and top chinese so he can get raped 4-0 by pros in one-sided games


..because you haven't heard of him... doesn't mean shit


that fact that he got destroyed does mean shit. at least someone like pj would put up a decent fight



Erm, a foreigner in his worst matchup vs the 2 best protosses ever... what fucking more do you want from a 14 year old kid?



the fact that it's his worst matchup or 14 yr old doesnt rly matter here... he's just another semi finalist, so he is expected to play like one, and i think everyone who saw the games must have thought 'OMG how can that guy be in the semi finals'... The games were just that bad... I think most top foreigners would put up a better fight....


like.. ret did vs jeadong e.g

`
ret was inactive at that moment and not a top foreigner... ret vs nada would be more like it, that was when ret was active... draco hasnt been a top foreigner either for a long time so not sure why someone mentioned that...
not sure why you guys defending him so much, i think he should be able to take some criticism and be realistic after all he also was in that being b- in 5 months topic... Have to say i also thought he was a troll so yea thats damn impressive for sure and he's surely one to look out for in the future, but i dont know why ppl are making excuses for the games sucking... it was just a subpar performance and it woulda been more fun if a top foreigner filled the spot instead...


well the top foreigner you're talking about LOST to koll, why do you think he would have fared better against Stork/Bisu?

Because IdrA has put up good games against Stork (not sure about Bisu) in the past?
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Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
November 14 2009 15:05 GMT
#1505
On November 14 2009 23:56 InDaHouse wrote:
I'm not even slightly surprised Kolll pulled upsets. Germany and Scandinavia has historically always had very good Starcraft players and the general e-sports level is very high in various games here.

That brings me back to the old topic that Europeans are creative and Asians just copies and refines :O . But I will not confirm that theory it would just start flame wars ^_^



In cs thats the case. Scandinavians are too strong. In sc, its us copying asians lol.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
November 14 2009 15:08 GMT
#1506
On November 14 2009 23:56 InDaHouse wrote:
I'm not even slightly surprised Kolll pulled upsets. Germany and Scandinavia has historically always had very good Starcraft players and the general e-sports level is very high in various games here.

That brings me back to the old topic that Europeans are creative and Asians just copies and refines :O . But I will not confirm that theory it would just start flame wars ^_^

Come up with a better and more creative BOs than the Koreans, and we talk.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
November 14 2009 15:12 GMT
#1507
On November 14 2009 23:42 Kaolla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 22:58 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:23 Kaolla wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:14 Camlito wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:12 iamho wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:10 Camlito wrote:
On November 14 2009 22:07 iamho wrote:
lame that this foreigner ive never heard of gets past idra and top chinese so he can get raped 4-0 by pros in one-sided games


..because you haven't heard of him... doesn't mean shit


that fact that he got destroyed does mean shit. at least someone like pj would put up a decent fight



Erm, a foreigner in his worst matchup vs the 2 best protosses ever... what fucking more do you want from a 14 year old kid?



the fact that it's his worst matchup or 14 yr old doesnt rly matter here... he's just another semi finalist, so he is expected to play like one, and i think everyone who saw the games must have thought 'OMG how can that guy be in the semi finals'... The games were just that bad... I think most top foreigners would put up a better fight....


like.. ret did vs jeadong e.g

`
ret was inactive at that moment and not a top foreigner... ret vs nada would be more like it, that was when ret was active... draco hasnt been a top foreigner either for a long time so not sure why someone mentioned that...
not sure why you guys defending him so much, i think he should be able to take some criticism and be realistic after all he also was in that being b- in 5 months topic... Have to say i also thought he was a troll so yea thats damn impressive for sure and he's surely one to look out for in the future, but i dont know why ppl are making excuses for the games sucking... it was just a subpar performance and it woulda been more fun if a top foreigner filled the spot instead...


I cant imagine many foreigners right now who would have had a better chance against bisu/stork.
Maybe you are right, that the games were ugly but..

Mondragon lost to stork in a pretty similiar fashion,too. In terms of chance he had in the game and how bad he got raped..

I dont know.. I just find it sad.This young guy played som good throughout the tournament made 2nd place in the hardest groups of all ( possibly ) beat all good foreigners in his group except for draco..

I really want to know which foreigner u think would have done better against bisu or stork..

I mean surviving as long as kolll did on its own is okey..

You can just not expect any foreigner ( especially not kolll ) got out there and have a close game against bisu or stork..

But lets just leave it at that..

Kollls games vs stork and bisu were all weak and I was dissapointed as well but for me the more important thing is what he achieved.. and losing to Bisu and stork is no problem..

in what fashion.. okey.. that was a pretty ugly defeat twice..

never the less amazing run by kolll !


hatred outlives the hateful
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 14 2009 15:13 GMT
#1508
From a pure entertainment perspective I think it would've been more fun if Idra had made it through. Watch his first game against Stork in IEF; he was quite close to actually outplaying the best PvT'er of all time. He's the foreigner (excluding the chinese) who has the best chance of going toe to toe against high level Koreans without being humiliated. I think it's very cool and impressive that Koll beat Idra 2-0, though. I really want to see those games. He sure has a great future as a SC player if he keeps up the good work. Go Koll!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
November 14 2009 15:19 GMT
#1509
kolll's style is like a direct counter to Idra very aggressive early game, obviously knows how to hit the z key
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
November 14 2009 15:22 GMT
#1510
On November 15 2009 00:13 Holgerius wrote:
From a pure entertainment perspective I think it would've been more fun if Idra had made it through. Watch his first game against Stork in IEF; he was quite close to actually outplaying the best PvT'er of all time. He's the foreigner (excluding the chinese) who has the best chance of going toe to toe against high level Koreans without being humiliated. I think it's very cool and impressive that Koll beat Idra 2-0, though. I really want to see those games. He sure has a great future as a SC player if he keeps up the good work. Go Koll!



idra's first game in ief wasn't even close. For us and any chobo spectator it looked close, but in progaming terms its utter rape in every aspect. Any semi pro and decent amateur in korea can play this way.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2229 Posts
November 14 2009 15:26 GMT
#1511
On November 15 2009 00:22 Baddieko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2009 00:13 Holgerius wrote:
From a pure entertainment perspective I think it would've been more fun if Idra had made it through. Watch his first game against Stork in IEF; he was quite close to actually outplaying the best PvT'er of all time. He's the foreigner (excluding the chinese) who has the best chance of going toe to toe against high level Koreans without being humiliated. I think it's very cool and impressive that Koll beat Idra 2-0, though. I really want to see those games. He sure has a great future as a SC player if he keeps up the good work. Go Koll!



idra's first game in ief wasn't even close. For us and any chobo spectator it looked close, but in progaming terms its utter rape in every aspect. Any semi pro and decent amateur in korea can play this way.

dunno, Artosis in his weekly news claimed, that Idra vas VERY close to winnig, but then lost his vultures to minedrag
underscore
Profile Joined August 2009
252 Posts
November 14 2009 15:30 GMT
#1512
Artosis is Idras biggest fanboy. How often has he called him bonjwa of the foreigner scene.
Idra is bonjwa at bm but thats it.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
November 14 2009 15:31 GMT
#1513
way more interesting than idra losing to koll (lol) to me is advokate taking an impressive game off of jaedong. really solid play, he used a build similar to the goliath/mm one flash used a little while back.

taking a game off the best player in the world deserves kudos!
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
November 14 2009 15:32 GMT
#1514
On November 15 2009 00:26 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2009 00:22 Baddieko wrote:
On November 15 2009 00:13 Holgerius wrote:
From a pure entertainment perspective I think it would've been more fun if Idra had made it through. Watch his first game against Stork in IEF; he was quite close to actually outplaying the best PvT'er of all time. He's the foreigner (excluding the chinese) who has the best chance of going toe to toe against high level Koreans without being humiliated. I think it's very cool and impressive that Koll beat Idra 2-0, though. I really want to see those games. He sure has a great future as a SC player if he keeps up the good work. Go Koll!



idra's first game in ief wasn't even close. For us and any chobo spectator it looked close, but in progaming terms its utter rape in every aspect. Any semi pro and decent amateur in korea can play this way.

dunno, Artosis in his weekly news claimed, that Idra vas VERY close to winnig, but then lost his vultures to minedrag



The minedrag certainly speed things up but the push will not work anyway. Idra lost his timing long ago from being behind in cheese. Stork timed his arbiter and gateways for any immediate fastest 6 fac push in midgame. Its the same situation as fantasy v stork osl final game 2, but that fantasy only lost a bit of timing, idra lost a lot more.
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3128 Posts
November 14 2009 15:33 GMT
#1515
So...were Tasteless/Artosis casting these games, and, if so, can English VODs be found of them?
Dies Irae venit. youtube.com/SnobbinsFilms
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
November 14 2009 15:40 GMT
#1516
I just watched the jaedong vs bisu vods and let me tell you that
+ Show Spoiler +
jaedong walked over bisu

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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
November 14 2009 15:41 GMT
#1517
On November 15 2009 00:22 Baddieko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2009 00:13 Holgerius wrote:
From a pure entertainment perspective I think it would've been more fun if Idra had made it through. Watch his first game against Stork in IEF; he was quite close to actually outplaying the best PvT'er of all time. He's the foreigner (excluding the chinese) who has the best chance of going toe to toe against high level Koreans without being humiliated. I think it's very cool and impressive that Koll beat Idra 2-0, though. I really want to see those games. He sure has a great future as a SC player if he keeps up the good work. Go Koll!



idra's first game in ief wasn't even close. For us and any chobo spectator it looked close, but in progaming terms its utter rape in every aspect. Any semi pro and decent amateur in korea can play this way.

This comment makes no sense
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1984
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Ukraine115 Posts
November 14 2009 15:42 GMT
#1518
I dunno why are you guys discussing Koll instead of A2. Really, who hasn't won Idra nowadays? But taking a straight long game from Jaedong who's top-1 Kespa with ELO so high it's not even funny is a big achievement. Even considering that A2 is quite an oldschool and Koll is new young talent and what's not.
JohnBall
Profile Joined December 2008
Brazil1272 Posts
November 14 2009 15:50 GMT
#1519
On November 15 2009 00:42 1984 wrote:
I dunno why are you guys discussing Koll instead of A2. Really, who hasn't won Idra nowadays? But taking a straight long game from Jaedong who's top-1 Kespa with ELO so high it's not even funny is a big achievement. Even considering that A2 is quite an oldschool and Koll is new young talent and what's not.


True. Advokate did what Bisu could not. Oh, snap!
perfecting the art of five pool forever
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 14 2009 15:51 GMT
#1520
I don't know if some people are idiots or just trolls. I guess a combo:

On November 15 2009 00:30 underscore wrote:
Artosis is Idras biggest fanboy. How often has he called him bonjwa of the foreigner scene.
Idra is bonjwa at bm but thats it.

You're a complete fucking tool. Look at Idra's record against foreigners the past year. He won ESWC, ESL, Valor, SC2GG Starleague, got to the final in ASL, won WCG USA, won the Nostalgia group in the Nostalgia tourney, got third place in IEF (with only Koreans before him). He's without any doubt the best foreigner (excluding the chinese).


I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
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