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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 21 2009 06:28 GMT
#321
On October 21 2009 15:27 3clipse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2009 15:26 Holgerius wrote:
On October 21 2009 15:24 3clipse wrote:
On October 21 2009 15:20 samachking wrote:
On October 21 2009 15:18 3clipse wrote:
Man, hero's muta micro is just unbelievable.


Every single Zerg can do that nowadays,even relative nonames like Soulkey who did this on this map in the testing, this map is just plain good for 2hat muta.

I've yet to see a zerg besides Jaedong with tighter muta micro on a consistent basis.

You need to watch the twins moar.

I have Yarnc on my fantasy PL actually, but he's letting me down. :/

Not due to muta micro, though. It's still kick ass.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 06:30:34
October 21 2009 06:29 GMT
#322
On October 21 2009 15:27 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
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On October 21 2009 15:25 p4NDemik wrote:
Well I was wrong in regards to this game (although I'll still stand by my argument for hero, his game lives and dies by the muta harass) - btw LOL at (T)Last's hair, it's worse than Jaehoon!


That game wasn't the Muta harass - Ruby did a good job of recovering from the slow Turrets. It was hero's defense of a mass blob of MnM with pure Mutalisks that saved him - and defending MnM with pure Mutalisks is very difficult TBH.

Even Jaedong misses swings with pure Mutalisk against MnM, people need to stop discrediting hero so much :<

But, as people have said, hero took a lot of unnecessary fire from the rines. His mutas survived, but not solely or even mostly because of micro.

Edit: Yeah, everyone misses some. Just saying he was sitting there getting shot a lot and nothing was dying.
fnaticNoname
Profile Joined January 2008
India858 Posts
October 21 2009 06:29 GMT
#323
Once again ACE comes close and doesn't win... T_T
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 06:34:04
October 21 2009 06:31 GMT
#324
On October 21 2009 15:29 Pyrthas wrote:
But, as people have said, hero took a lot of unnecessary fire from the rines. His mutas survived, but not solely or even mostly because of micro.

Hero took so many hits because he was being so damn aggressive with them. Most zergs just swoop in intermittently, giving the mutas time to heal and the terran a chance to have his attention focused elsewhere. Hero was absolutely relentless and did loads of damage. His casualties were understandable and well justified.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
October 21 2009 06:31 GMT
#325
On October 21 2009 15:29 Pyrthas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2009 15:27 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On October 21 2009 15:25 p4NDemik wrote:
Well I was wrong in regards to this game (although I'll still stand by my argument for hero, his game lives and dies by the muta harass) - btw LOL at (T)Last's hair, it's worse than Jaehoon!


That game wasn't the Muta harass - Ruby did a good job of recovering from the slow Turrets. It was hero's defense of a mass blob of MnM with pure Mutalisks that saved him - and defending MnM with pure Mutalisks is very difficult TBH.

Even Jaedong misses swings with pure Mutalisk against MnM, people need to stop discrediting hero so much :<

But, as people have said, hero took a lot of unnecessary fire from the rines. His mutas survived, but not because of micro.


The +1 definitely helped, but a lesser Zerg would've died regardless of the +1. There's a reason you don't see much pure Mutalisk vs. MnM - it's ridiculously difficult, since one miss means you get completely raped. There was no unnecessary fire, because so far no one has good enough Mutalisk micro to avoid all that fire. You kinda just have to go in, and accept the fact that you will take fire because you're not gonna be able to do a perfect hit every time - you just have to make sure it happens most of the time, which is still very difficult. I maintain that hero's Mutalisk micro is exceptional.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 21 2009 06:32 GMT
#326
On October 21 2009 15:28 MuffinDude wrote:
Haha, skt, cj, hite, and khan all ranked in lower half.

Yeah, the start of this season is amazing IMO. It's really cool to see Ace, Estro and Wemade putting up a fight instead of being autowin for the big teams.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
October 21 2009 06:34 GMT
#327
I just want to see YellOw play more. I could care less about Ruby and DarkElf :3
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Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
October 21 2009 06:36 GMT
#328
On October 21 2009 15:27 3clipse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2009 15:26 Holgerius wrote:
On October 21 2009 15:24 3clipse wrote:
On October 21 2009 15:20 samachking wrote:
On October 21 2009 15:18 3clipse wrote:
Man, hero's muta micro is just unbelievable.


Every single Zerg can do that nowadays,even relative nonames like Soulkey who did this on this map in the testing, this map is just plain good for 2hat muta.

I've yet to see a zerg besides Jaedong with tighter muta micro on a consistent basis.

You need to watch the twins moar.

I have Yarnc on my fantasy PL actually, but he's letting me down. :/

So down indeed.. I had hopes for him. Glad that STX and Calm won though, I started feeling depressed already.
I <3 the internet, I <3 you
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 06:39:52
October 21 2009 06:37 GMT
#329
On October 21 2009 15:27 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2009 15:25 p4NDemik wrote:
Well I was wrong in regards to this game (although I'll still stand by my argument for hero, his game lives and dies by the muta harass) - btw LOL at (T)Last's hair, it's worse than Jaehoon!

That game wasn't the Muta harass - Ruby did a good job of recovering from the slow Turrets. It was hero's defense of a mass blob of MnM with pure Mutalisks that saved him - and defending MnM with pure Mutalisks is very difficult TBH.

Even Jaedong misses swings with pure Mutalisk against MnM, people need to stop discrediting hero so much :<

Even if he wasn't harassing RuBy's economy at all he still predicated that entire game on harassing RuBy's army and keeping it at bay while he teched up. I'll admit it was sick control by hero, but that is really all he has (and these days it doesn't really make you stand out among the masses of zergs - most of which have exemplary muta control). Back in the days of Blue Storm Jaedong built his reputation on this style of play, but nowadays it isn't enough to get zergs wins regularly against top terrans. hero is a one trick pony in ZvT, and he'll need to get better elsewhere in the matchup before he's a real threat imo.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
October 21 2009 06:42 GMT
#330
I maintain that hero is just lacking in experience vT. He tends to panic whenever something deviates from plan, and doesn't adapt well enough. I'm pretty sure I said this before, but hero's biggest fault is probably his reliance on everything going according to plan. TBH the more exposure he gets, the better he'll become. This is one of the reasons I really like STX - they aren't afraid to put up newer players in high pressure situations to help them develop (they played Last and Bogus a lot last season to develop them, and also Modesty). True, it might suck for those of us who have Calm on our fantasy (he's still top player though, so :D) at times, but this means that STX will always be a strong team. It's just a very good environment for newer players, and I think hero is really benefiting from this. hero traditionally hasn't done exceptionally in high pressure situations, and another team probably would've shied away from sending him out for ace, but I think that this is really helping him. I totally think hero's gonna be the next big thing to come out of STX.
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RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
October 21 2009 07:04 GMT
#331
Lol, Ruby looking like a serious bargain right now. I wonder how many chose Iris over Ruby...
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-21 09:16:23
October 21 2009 08:57 GMT
#332
oh fuck it, this is a nightmare. Same thing from 2 years ago when ACE lost 90% of their matches in the 5th set
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RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
October 21 2009 09:05 GMT
#333
It's funny how the team's name being ACE, they specifically lack an ace player to close up the matches.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
October 21 2009 09:32 GMT
#334
Hero saved the day :D
STX <3
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pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
October 21 2009 13:17 GMT
#335
wow ACE took it to ace against STX, RuBy looking solid! too bad GoRush can't win any ZvZ's this season ;<
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
October 21 2009 18:39 GMT
#336
I like how by.hero wins and people respond by constructing large blocks of texts of how his ZvT isn't good enough, or that he's still a "one trick pony," a term that should only be reserved for Leta's TvZ.

I think from now on, every time someone wins an ace match, we should all write about how bad they are...
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hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
October 21 2009 18:42 GMT
#337
put calm in the damn ace match!
CURSE YOU STX
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
October 21 2009 19:14 GMT
#338
O_____O;; oh wow~ ACE is doing WELL!!!
cw)minsean(ru
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 22 2009 00:05 GMT
#339
On October 21 2009 15:27 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2009 15:24 3clipse wrote:
On October 21 2009 15:20 samachking wrote:
On October 21 2009 15:18 3clipse wrote:
Man, hero's muta micro is just unbelievable.


Every single Zerg can do that nowadays,even relative nonames like Soulkey who did this on this map in the testing, this map is just plain good for 2hat muta.

I've yet to see a zerg besides Jaedong with tighter muta micro on a consistent basis.


Zero

Not nearly as good.
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imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
October 22 2009 00:08 GMT
#340
play anytimee!!!

damn it, it's still a good result for ACE. STX is (supposed to be..) one of the strongest teams!
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
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