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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On October 10 2009 15:24 integral wrote:
I can't remember whether it was p4ndemik or romad that said violet was overhyped and that he still had a lot to learn, but violet really seems like the real deal to me.
As GTR said before
Tempest/Lucifer, they were both hyped to be neo reach/ra
Even tho I love Violet, I still think it's too early to say
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how many of you get obs speed in pvz?
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On October 10 2009 15:23 Crunchums wrote:
wow, Violet might win a pvz : O
Violet's sweet match up was his PvZ. His Sair reaver is absolutely beautiful. >:[
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On October 10 2009 15:26 johanes wrote:
surprised we havent seen any templar sniping
Hard to snipe templar when you don't make any muta. Violet did a good job of protecting them from lings.
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Ok, from this thread :
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=102858
is this post on this build from infernal
8 pyl
11 forge
14 can
15 can
15 nex
16 gate
16 pylon 2
17 gas
follow up with core, stargate 2nd gas, 1-0, 3rd pylon, citadel.
--- maintain zealot production, do NOT miss a fucking pylon ---
Important however is that you do NOT make the citadel too early.
If you're not Bisu it is better to have both 1-0 and legspeed ready at the same time - you don't want to attack before it anyway! (more on that later)
2nd gate is at like 46-50 supply.
Make only 2 corsairs if not massive muta rush.
Make a cannon right after your 2nd sair.
Get gate 3 + 4.
After 30 supply or so the timing gets really really tricky so that's the part you gotta figure out for yourself but that's basically it.
The plot of this build is 1-0 just RAPES zerglings.
If you watch the VOD closely you will see Bisu even WANTED Jaedong to make even more lings - he was rushing out with 7 zealots (and believe me Jaedong stops 7 zealots with 1 sunk+drone+ling at that time) and had no 1-0 - however Bisu did just fake it out a bit, run around, made Jaedong produce MANY lings which he needed to make in that situation (watch the VOD clearly!) then waited until 6 more zealots finished (timing of gate 3+4 is essential about it, I don't get it done proper yet...) and in the meantime his +1 was done as well.
You may ask why does Bisu want him to build lings right now?
Logic of larva etc - if you waste larva on 24 lings (which die to 14 zealots with +1 as if they're nothing - literally all they do is buy you time to make hydras)
IF you continue the thought Bisu has +2 working after this attack and you have the gas for 3 archons AND a robo (!) or robo + storm + 5 templar.
Keep in mind Zerg just wasted 12+++ larva on Zerglings which means he has 12 drones less.
Now the Zerg has 2 choices:
a) Remain on extremely low drone count but still get your mutas at the right time out. [he lost 8 drones as well during Bisu's attack!]
b) Use the lurker-tech for something while getting some more drones to atleast supply the 5 hatches he had and then go for something like an army again.
Do you think Zerg likes to choose between these options?
Obviously this is no free win buildorder - but if you execute it proper and atleast get 5-6 drones while not suiciding all of your zealots (and making templars+robo while you're doing so) it may give you quite a decent advantage.
Also you can quite safely expand to a third using a sole zealot to clear out the scout-ling there because Zerg's force should be extremely busy while your zealots are roaming around and testing his defences...
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On October 10 2009 15:25 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2009 15:24 integral wrote:
I can't remember whether it was p4ndemik or romad that said violet was overhyped and that he still had a lot to learn, but violet really seems like the real deal to me. It was Romad, he didn't think that Violet was bad just that his play hadn't been as impressive recently as it had been when he was streaking. (Which was true).
Fair enough. I, for one, am very impressed. 
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On October 10 2009 15:25 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2009 15:24 integral wrote:
I can't remember whether it was p4ndemik or romad that said violet was overhyped and that he still had a lot to learn, but violet really seems like the real deal to me. It was Romad, he didn't think that Violet was bad just that his play hadn't been as impressive recently as it had been when he was streaking. (Which was true).
I like Violet but I kind of agree. I need to see Violet win some PvT's - he's shown NO indication whatsoever so far that he can play that matchup.
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So Instead of splitting map or getting fast 3rd he just stays on 2 base macro mode... how are you suppose to counter that, apprently lurker + obs snipping seems to be not good enough
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this spire opening is nowhere as sharp as it used to be
violet didnt even bother wasting money on cannons for mineral lines
without protoss stressing muta defence it probably doesnt even give you any advantage( esp going lurkling)
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well done KT. gonna be a great season
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
WOW watching the replay, looks like Violet actually planned from the beginning to get observer speed
he knew this shit would happen :O
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On October 10 2009 15:27 StorrZerg wrote:
So Instead of splitting map or getting fast 3rd he just stays on 2 base macro mode... how are you suppose to counter that, apprently lurker + obs snipping seems to be not good enough
mass ling backstab/faster hive would probably work
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On October 10 2009 15:24 Nevuk wrote:
Why do people think his opening build was bad? He forced 4 sunkens and didn't lose any Zealots unnecessarily.
I thought the same thing. Violet set himself up well for the midgame with that.
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On October 10 2009 15:26 johanes wrote:
surprised we havent seen any templar sniping
yeah, and that battle in middle hyvaa just kept moving lurkers to where the storms were he lost a lot of units there...
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fuck you cant do templar sniping vs massive goon/ht army and if you do you wont live vs whats coming after
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On October 10 2009 15:27 StorrZerg wrote:
So Instead of splitting map or getting fast 3rd he just stays on 2 base macro mode... how are you suppose to counter that, apprently lurker + obs snipping seems to be not good enough
Hyvaa overextended himself defending that far away and taking a 4th. He scouted the spinning upgrades, the lack of third and the gate number, he should have started macro mode with maybe some hydras to sniper stuff.
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On October 10 2009 15:29 food wrote:
fuck you cant do templar sniping vs massive goon/ht army and if you do you wont live vs whats coming after
this.
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I actually like Violet's pvp more than his pvz, there's no one he can't beat pvp.
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On October 10 2009 15:30 Nevuk wrote:
I actually like Violet's pvp more than his pvz, there's no one he can't beat pvp.
Violet is miniature Bisu.
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
lol silly commentators, only getting excited on the days when they're commentating and saying "oh this day won't be a fun day..." on days they aren't commentating hahaha
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