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Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
October 10 2009 17:56 GMT
#801
I was just going over Flash's play vs Really in my head. At the time I thought that his Fact Port wraith play had led to a B.O. disadvantage, but it probably went just the way he was expecting it to. He was mildly behind on econ for a while, but the faster transition to drop play was perfect for the map and gave him such a massive tactical edge through out the mid game. Really had a huge army advantage for quite a while there but couldn't get anything done.

Any one have thoughts on this?
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
October 10 2009 18:03 GMT
#802
The TvT was interesting to watch play out. I agree with Orbifold, I initially thought that (T)Flash's choice to build a starport had really hampered him in the early game, as (T)Really at one point had a substantial army AND econ advantage. But with TvT, what really matters is dropship count, and I think Really's advantages were mostly an illusion. He simply had no offensive capabilities, so even if Flash had an army half the size (it was closer than that, I know) Really simply could not touch Flash, whereas Flash could abuse Really with mobility. Perhaps, on a different map, Really could have set up a contain on Flash, but it seemed like that thought never entered into his mind.
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KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
October 10 2009 18:35 GMT
#803
^^ I think you're completely right. I would even go as far as to say that FlaSh wanted really to think that he had the major advantage, when in reality, Flash had control of the game the entire time. I don't think a build like this would work on a less experienced player, per se, because the advatagewouldn't be recognized.
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Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
October 10 2009 19:35 GMT
#804
Sweet, I'm glad you guys had the same impression as I. My TvT is pretty sorry, so I have to think stuff out for a while when I watch high level games.

Flash got that nice position towards the middle, but Really had a huge Tank count advantage... and I remember thinking "Flash is in trouble if Really pushes in a strong attack". In retrospect though, Flash could have dropped all over any advance and bought enough time to fall back and meet reinforcements.

I think this map is going to make for some fun TvTs.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
October 10 2009 20:57 GMT
#805
On October 11 2009 01:23 Ikonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2009 23:52 Iplaythings wrote:
Meh, can't find the vods, can anyone tell me where they are?


They'll be on Jon747's youtube either later today or tomorrow.

Thanks, what about nevake ? I haven't seen much to that channel lately.
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aG.Admirai
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada55 Posts
October 10 2009 21:19 GMT
#806
Go flash!!
Belano
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden657 Posts
October 10 2009 21:40 GMT
#807
Goddamit! I've been waiting for VODs all day -.-. Can't wait!
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RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
October 11 2009 00:37 GMT
#808
On October 11 2009 06:40 Belano wrote:
Goddamit! I've been waiting for VODs all day -.-. Can't wait!


Ditto.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
October 11 2009 01:58 GMT
#809
Fun fact, Flash is now about 1 win (4 elo points) away from breaking Jangbi's vT elo peak.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 11 2009 14:24 GMT
#810
Wow, just watched Upmagic vs Luxury. It was so amusing. :D Upmagic will never, ever win a Starleague (or even get far in one), but he has so much flair. Such an entertainer. Every time I think SC is completely mapped out and that everything has been tried, Upmagic (as well as some others) proves me wrong.

Go Flash!
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