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On August 27 2009 20:01 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2009 19:59 Loanshark wrote:On August 27 2009 19:57 mog87 wrote:On August 27 2009 19:56 Itachii wrote:
Bisu's as close to perfection with toss as you can get, what would i give for his recent fpvod~~ guy's execution of actions is just insane. as far as PvT goes..I guess you didnt see stork yesterday. Stork ran into tons of mines if I recall correctly. Bisu is better than him. Running into mines is a mistake, but so is not making a deeper decision or macroing properly. It's just that viewers can only see one of the two obviously. Stork running into mines in a game in which a lot is going on does not necessarily make him worse at PvT than Bisu, just because Bisu microed perfectly against mines in a game where that was the ONLY thing going on. Stork is the best PvT player ever and deserves more PvT respect than he gets these days. He's always been better than Bisu at playing precision Protoss - it's just that Bisu's multitasking and overall APM has now gotten to a point where he can just be overpowering. Even now, with Bisu the slightly superior PvT player, it's still clear to me that Stork has a deeper understanding of the matchup.
It was somewhat of a joke comment. T____T
I hope you knew that.
Also, Itachii was talking about perfection and execution of actions, not the understanding and knowledge behind the match-up.
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On August 27 2009 20:03 Baddieko wrote:
Stork is the only toss can win PvT with a base down and wasting units. Others need to be a base up instead, huge difference.
Nothing personal, but it's just because you are KHAN fan maybe?
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On August 27 2009 20:04 Itachii wrote:lol?
Seems someone hasnt been keeping up with the foreigner scene much. Mondragon blows hard right now :/
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On August 27 2009 20:03 disciple wrote:
Mondi vs Bisu will kick ass
should be "Bisu vs will kick mondi ass", you must got the order wrong.
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On August 27 2009 20:01 MrHoon wrote:
and yes like Ret said, Flash failing to predict a Double Nex is just a really wtf moment
Oh well atleast Flash took a game
I mean it's kind of a 50/50 isn't it? Bisu knows that Flash knows that 12 Nex is really strong Heartbreak. But if you BBS and a Protoss as good as Bisu doesn't 12/14 Nex you are DONE - especially on a two player map means there's no scouting luck involved whatsoever.
Flash apparently didn't want to take that chance so he went for an 8 Rax push strat but just executed it terribly (losing that first Marine was pretty inexcusable). Bisu's Pylon blocking Flash's choke was also big because a Vulture could have gotten to that fight while it was still happening - as it turned out Vultures only got out after the initial skirmish.
Had Flash done a better job with his push it would have been a very different game. I don't think it's ever "obviously correct" to BBS because it's only impossible to stop if you 12/14 Nex.
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On August 27 2009 19:59 Loanshark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2009 19:57 mog87 wrote:On August 27 2009 19:56 Itachii wrote:
Bisu's as close to perfection with toss as you can get, what would i give for his recent fpvod~~ guy's execution of actions is just insane. as far as PvT goes..I guess you didnt see stork yesterday. Stork ran into tons of mines if I recall correctly. Bisu is better than him.
Yeah although the 2(~3 later) in the beginning at his nat was horrible, he focused macroing. Stork can micro like Bisu if he was in that same situation. Today's game 3 is nothing like yesterday's game 1.
Also, Bisu did have some luck in the perfect number of goons vs Flash's number of vults, because he's not individually giving commands, but just move+hold (or attacks, but doubt it). Whether Bisu mastered goon AI to the point of understanding auto-target I don't know, but Stork could have done the same feat.
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On August 27 2009 19:57 integral wrote:
holy fuck this slow motion replay
Yeah, the slow-motion shows how unreal Bisu's micro was. Controlling 6 goons in two separate groups, sniping two mines at a time as they are laid? Amazing.
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On August 27 2009 20:05 Aresien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2009 20:01 darktreb wrote:On August 27 2009 19:59 Loanshark wrote:On August 27 2009 19:57 mog87 wrote:On August 27 2009 19:56 Itachii wrote:
Bisu's as close to perfection with toss as you can get, what would i give for his recent fpvod~~ guy's execution of actions is just insane. as far as PvT goes..I guess you didnt see stork yesterday. Stork ran into tons of mines if I recall correctly. Bisu is better than him. Running into mines is a mistake, but so is not making a deeper decision or macroing properly. It's just that viewers can only see one of the two obviously. Stork running into mines in a game in which a lot is going on does not necessarily make him worse at PvT than Bisu, just because Bisu microed perfectly against mines in a game where that was the ONLY thing going on. Stork is the best PvT player ever and deserves more PvT respect than he gets these days. He's always been better than Bisu at playing precision Protoss - it's just that Bisu's multitasking and overall APM has now gotten to a point where he can just be overpowering. Even now, with Bisu the slightly superior PvT player, it's still clear to me that Stork has a deeper understanding of the matchup. In the most I agree but I would still call Stork the better PvTer, worse mechanics and all. Bisu is better in PvZ and PvP but his PvT has never been as strong as Khans toss's IMO.
not to mention stork could break terran tank's with goon/deal using the same food. Khan's toss would never be good in PvZ when they basically try to macro off anything.
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On August 27 2009 20:06 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2009 20:01 darktreb wrote:On August 27 2009 19:59 Loanshark wrote:On August 27 2009 19:57 mog87 wrote:On August 27 2009 19:56 Itachii wrote:
Bisu's as close to perfection with toss as you can get, what would i give for his recent fpvod~~ guy's execution of actions is just insane. as far as PvT goes..I guess you didnt see stork yesterday. Stork ran into tons of mines if I recall correctly. Bisu is better than him. Running into mines is a mistake, but so is not making a deeper decision or macroing properly. It's just that viewers can only see one of the two obviously. Stork running into mines in a game in which a lot is going on does not necessarily make him worse at PvT than Bisu, just because Bisu microed perfectly against mines in a game where that was the ONLY thing going on. Stork is the best PvT player ever and deserves more PvT respect than he gets these days. He's always been better than Bisu at playing precision Protoss - it's just that Bisu's multitasking and overall APM has now gotten to a point where he can just be overpowering. Even now, with Bisu the slightly superior PvT player, it's still clear to me that Stork has a deeper understanding of the matchup. It was somewhat of a joke comment. T____T I hope you knew that. Also, Itachii was talking about perfection and execution of actions, not the understanding and knowledge behind the match-up.
I know, I was just using it as a springboard into a more general comment about the differences in Stork v T and Bisu v T. They are very very different players (similar to how Flash v P and Fantasy v P are very different) and it's pretty interesting.
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Jaedong raping some noob in 3.....2......1.....
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I wonder how Jaedong's mindset is.
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On August 27 2009 19:55 QibingZero wrote:
I honestly thought Bisu played pretty badly after the initial great micro. He was over 1k minerals while off 2 bases, so early... Of course, he didn't need to play well with the advantage he had. Same as in game 1.
MIght wanna explain the comment about game 1?
Bisu wasn't firmly ahead until he broke the push towards top left, which was basically what the entire game boiled down to.
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so bisu vs luxury in semis?
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On August 27 2009 20:06 Zinbiel wrote:should be "Bisu vs will kick mondi ass", you must got the order wrong.
funny because mondi didn't qualify this year
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will Jaedong be able to play his best despite his FA situation/distraction??????
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jaedong looks so sleepy... 
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On August 27 2009 20:03 disciple wrote:
Mondi vs Bisu will kick ass
Lol yeah, especially if it's on Destination. Will be fun to see mondi turtling on 4gas for 30 minutes with sunk spore lurk. --;;
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On August 27 2009 20:09 botaxkeren wrote:jaedong looks so sleepy...
like always in these days ...
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