I really think these podcasts will be the final push some low level players will need to break out and begin really growing in their gameplay. Good work, bro.

vx70GTOJudgexv

United States3161 Posts

June 08 2009 10:42 GMT

#542

Seeing AZ respond makes me wonder:

What would happen if we put iNc, Machine, Lz, ret, AZ and Day in a room with just microphones and recording gear and told them to produce a Zerg oriented podcast.

I might just switch back :o

Love the podcasts, always helping (well.. I think they are

)

Leg[end]

United States241 Posts

June 08 2009 10:53 GMT

#543

On June 08 2009 19:42 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Seeing AZ respond makes me wonder:

What would happen if we put iNc, Machine, Lz, ret, AZ and Day in a room with just microphones and recording gear and told them to produce a Zerg oriented podcast.

I might just switch back :o

Love the podcasts, always helping (well.. I think they are

)

I know what would happen.....

all of my zerg fanboy dreams would come true.....

Sativader

33 Posts

June 15 2009 06:02 GMT

#544

Last podcast was really helpful. Thanks Day[9] plz keep them coming!

zfr

Australia70 Posts

June 16 2009 19:25 GMT

#545

Thank you very much for this Sean.
Amazing Info

-zfr

Gunman_csz

United Arab Emirates492 Posts

June 16 2009 20:11 GMT

#546

Please produce part2 of mechanics, we new comers really new your guidance.
Thanks Alot for your effort.

jhk82094

United States43 Posts

June 16 2009 21:41 GMT

#547

Could you do one about the late game big MnM armies? Whenever TvZ gets long, i find myself just sending my marines and meds to battle and never controling them otherwise... I feel helpless trying to control such big masses. Would be really appreciated, THANKS!!!

moonman

United States33 Posts

June 18 2009 05:51 GMT

#548

I love the podcasts and how they give me a new way to think about things. I only wish there were more examples from the protoss point of view.

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

June 18 2009 05:56 GMT

#549

On June 18 2009 14:51 moonman wrote:
I love the podcasts and how they give me a new way to think about things. I only wish there were more examples from the protoss point of view.

Aha but he plays zerg and it's fortunate I tried to play more Zerg since last year.
Anyways when's the new one gonna be out?! I really want 2Hatch vs 3Hatch... I love 2 Hatch, so old school and baller yellowistique

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

June 18 2009 05:57 GMT

#550

They'll all dissapear and overmind would take over the room and we'll be his cerebrates

Grobyc

Canada18410 Posts

June 18 2009 07:02 GMT

#551

Me too, really wanting 2hatch vs 3hatch to come out. Currently I always 3hatch in ZvT, 3hatch spire > 5 hatch hydra in ZvP with a close 3rd gas, and 2hatch lurk in ZvP with a far 3rd gas. I'm still trying to find out what the best build in ZvP is without a close 3rd gas and so far this is going pretty well. Does anyone else recommend a different build instead?

Neon_Monkey

United States270 Posts

June 18 2009 07:09 GMT

#552

I recommend 4 hatch hydra, like Jaedong vs Shuttle on blue storm in the gom season 1 semifinals. I think a lot of the games near the end of the blue storm use were 4 hatch hydra but I don't really remember anymore.

Grobyc

Canada18410 Posts

June 18 2009 07:21 GMT

#553

Hmm I can find the game in the TLPD but no VOD, is there a guide for this build at all?

Is it just 2nd hatch > pool > 3rd hatch > 4th hatch > hydra den > lair > expo > spire?

Neon_Monkey

United States270 Posts

June 18 2009 07:47 GMT

#554

Well on maps with a far away 3rd gas I usually go 2nd hatch > pool > 3rd hatch > 4th hatch > lair + second gas at same time > den > hydra speed > spire > overlord speed > make a bunch of hydras and take a 3rd gas with 5th hatch. I just like the build on maps with close mineral onlys because of the really fast 2nd gas. There aren't that many examples of it on maps with a far away 3rd gas but from what I remember:

Xiaoxi went 4 hatch hydra in his games vs PJ in a Bo7 in whatever league it was that had idra vs PJ finals. His builds were more like rushes though which I like just as much. On Medusa I think he took 4 bases with his 4 hatches even though he ended up cannon breaking him.

Dinot did it in his games vs JF in liquibition. Andromeda is weird as all builds take a fast 4th but it still shows the build order.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/11214_HoGiL_vs_SangHo/vod

Really the Jaedong vs Shuttle game is the only vod I saw before I started doing it but for some reason I get a connection error message when I try to use the gom site right now so the vod is probably
http://www.gomtv.net/classic/vod/243
or might be
http://www.gomtv.net/classic/vod/244

Grobyc

Canada18410 Posts

June 18 2009 07:55 GMT

#555

Oh if there is a close min only 3rd then you take that with your 3rd or 4th hatch as well?

Neon_Monkey

United States270 Posts

June 18 2009 07:59 GMT

#556

Yes, what map is there with a far away 3rd gas where you wouldn't have a nearly free mineral only? o.O

Grobyc

Canada18410 Posts

June 18 2009 08:01 GMT

#557

Python?
o.O

It's pretty far imo

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

June 18 2009 08:08 GMT

#558

What no way Python it's far lol the topleft/bottomright bases are so close to your nat it's literally your nat's nat.
I think you might be playing ZvT style where you only feel safe taking a main base or something(and put 2 lurkers on ramp) I think as long as you put your army near the ridges between the nat and that base you'll be okay in defending that.

Neon_Monkey

United States270 Posts

June 18 2009 08:11 GMT

#559

Yea I guess. I like to do 4 hatch hydra pressure with speed before lair on Python anyways so most of the time I just take a mineral only and then extend to another main until I'm on 5 bases. I read somewhere a long time ago, I think maybe on some b.net attack sub or something, that a lot of progamers didn't like going FE on python because the nat is really wide and open, so I figure I may as well take advantage of that and get some early hydras to force a ton of cannons.