• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:02
CEST 18:02
KST 01:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall9HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL50Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?12FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event16Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster16Weekly Cups (June 16-22): Clem strikes back1
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Statistics for vetoed/disliked maps Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL Unit and Spell Similarities Help: rep cant save Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL
Tourneys
[BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 816 users

How to Improve by Legionnaire - Page 2

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
KingofHearts
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Japan562 Posts
January 11 2009 20:42 GMT
#21
basically legionnaire's tips are good for improving macro..
1. keep making workers non stop --> macro
2. hotkey Production buildings. and learn the unit production keys. --> macro
moshi moshi~
rkarhu
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Finland570 Posts
January 11 2009 21:38 GMT
#22

4 - Scout. i always scouted late, but i pretty much knew what most ppl would do. You do not. You must scout.


Looks like we have a hacker in our hands!
RinoZerg
Profile Joined May 2008
Australia130 Posts
January 11 2009 21:46 GMT
#23
I've just started playing on ICCUP and these fundamentals are solid advice. I think at the low skill levels of the game, good macro is far more important that good micro. In every game I've played so far the win has gone to the biggest a-move (Not a protoss knock, we Zerg can a-move too).

Thanks for the repost.
Patrio
Profile Joined September 2007
Norway706 Posts
January 11 2009 22:10 GMT
#24
This needs to be in recomended threads, cause this is a great tip for low level players
Zerg Bunker
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
January 11 2009 22:13 GMT
#25
On January 12 2009 03:52 thunk wrote:
His point are still valid even though there might be some era bias. Just change you're idea of decent macro and the guide's still very legit.

Show nested quote +

On August 03 2008 12:00 Legionnaire wrote:

If you do steps 1 to 4, and KEEP doing it, you will become a C rank player.


Remember, this is the kid who had 3 builds, 1 for each MU, and made the top 48. Really impressive, because it means that he was able to get up to B+ using that advice.

I think there should be a ![G] in front of this, or at least a [G].

Nice find SoMuchBetter.



This is the "Kid" that went to korea and basically played and lived as a progamer for a number of years, also managed to beat Xellos and Boxer, while setting a record for highest kills on a reaver and all-killing an entire pro-gaming team.



Winners never quit, quitters never win.
StarN
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2587 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-11 22:32:55
January 11 2009 22:28 GMT
#26
On January 12 2009 07:13 meRz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2009 03:52 thunk wrote:
His point are still valid even though there might be some era bias. Just change you're idea of decent macro and the guide's still very legit.


On August 03 2008 12:00 Legionnaire wrote:

If you do steps 1 to 4, and KEEP doing it, you will become a C rank player.


Remember, this is the kid who had 3 builds, 1 for each MU, and made the top 48. Really impressive, because it means that he was able to get up to B+ using that advice.

I think there should be a ![G] in front of this, or at least a [G].

Nice find SoMuchBetter.



This is the "Kid" that went to korea and basically played and lived as a progamer for a number of years, also managed to beat Xellos and Boxer, while setting a record for highest kills on a reaver and all-killing an entire pro-gaming team.




Don't forget he destroyed the first (and only) PGT Tournament.

Saying he was able to get up to B+ is almost an insult to Leg. In his prime he was easily able to reach A+ on PGT.
Retired BW Noob
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
January 11 2009 22:36 GMT
#27
On January 12 2009 03:52 thunk wrote:
His point are still valid even though there might be some era bias. Just change you're idea of decent macro and the guide's still very legit.

Show nested quote +

On August 03 2008 12:00 Legionnaire wrote:

If you do steps 1 to 4, and KEEP doing it, you will become a C rank player.


Remember, this is the kid who had 3 builds, 1 for each MU, and made the top 48. Really impressive, because it means that he was able to get up to B+ using that advice.

I think there should be a ![G] in front of this, or at least a [G].

Nice find SoMuchBetter.

i know you meant well, but making the TSL Top 48 is probably last in Legionnaires list of accomplishments hehe
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 11 2009 22:52 GMT
#28
professional cheque stealer is at the top.
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
January 11 2009 22:57 GMT
#29
On January 12 2009 03:52 thunk wrote:
His point are still valid even though there might be some era bias. Just change you're idea of decent macro and the guide's still very legit.

Show nested quote +

On August 03 2008 12:00 Legionnaire wrote:

If you do steps 1 to 4, and KEEP doing it, you will become a C rank player.


Remember, this is the kid who had 3 builds, 1 for each MU, and made the top 48. Really impressive, because it means that he was able to get up to B+ using that advice.

I think there should be a ![G] in front of this, or at least a [G].

Nice find SoMuchBetter.


Oh my god.

Well, 3k posts in not even a year...

"This kid"

hilarious.
Complete the cycle!
Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
January 12 2009 00:01 GMT
#30
all you have to do is play perfectly, the more mistakes you make the less likely you can win. thats why newbs are newbs they dont even know what mistakes to not make LOL.
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-12 00:12:45
January 12 2009 00:11 GMT
#31
On January 12 2009 03:52 thunk wrote:
His point are still valid even though there might be some era bias. Just change you're idea of decent macro and the guide's still very legit.

i don't think theres any era bias at all. leg's advice is pretty much as fundamental as you can get

On January 12 2009 09:01 Hypnosis wrote:
all you have to do is play perfectly, the more mistakes you make the less likely you can win. thats why newbs are newbs they dont even know what mistakes to not make LOL.

great advice let me send that off to all the progamers right now. stork might even want to know that making the mistake of not getting goon range was a bad idea
AUSSIESCUM
TeamLiquid eSTROgeneral #1 • RIP
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
January 12 2009 08:16 GMT
#32
This guide will get help players get to D+ level (maaybbee C-), but not C as the guide claims. I know this was written during the PGT period, but I just wanted to point that out.
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27140 Posts
January 12 2009 08:17 GMT
#33
This post was written 5 months ago -_-
ModeratorGodfather
zXk3
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Mexico1178 Posts
January 12 2009 08:24 GMT
#34
im living proof, just reseted my nick and playing doing only this, lets see how long it takes
GraphicsNo soy dominante, solo tengo mejores ideas...| Sorry Oshi, 4-1 shows that im better than you =D i wont do any more mistakes now
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 12 2009 11:16 GMT
#35
On January 12 2009 17:24 zXk3 wrote:
im living proof, just reseted my nick and playing doing only this, lets see how long it takes


gl
And all is illuminated.
Legionnaire
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia4514 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-07 02:40:45
March 07 2009 02:39 GMT
#36
hee hee.

You would be surprised how hard 1 is to do. Its something that you should aspire too, trying to improve it as much as you can. I doubt a single person in the TSL did 1 perfectly for the first 15mins of any game, in any of the 1000 games or so that were played. (zerg would be hard to quantify)

Another bit of advice. Never be afraid to lose. Try and go out of your comfort zone whenever you can. Losing if utilized correctly is a lesson to be learned. I know its a good ego trip to win 80% of the time vs your friends or to be the best player in a clan or channel. But you aren't learning anything that can make yourself better.
You should find a few people who are just a fraction better than you are, and play verse them. Over time without even noticing it, you will be stealing their skills and improving. At which time you then find newer people.

This is a 'do as i say, not as i do' post. As i didn't like going out of my comfort zone vs zerg. Hence i sucked It was so much easier slapping around terrans.

Oh shit sorry about the bump. :S
My hope is one day stupid people will feel the same pain when they talk, as the pain the rest of us feel when we hear them. Twitter: @Legionnaire_au
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
March 07 2009 03:03 GMT
#37
On March 07 2009 11:39 Legionnaire wrote:
Try and go out of your comfort zone whenever you can. Losing if utilized correctly is a lesson to be learned.


epic quote, will save and reflect upon it. thank you sir.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
March 07 2009 03:39 GMT
#38
You're really supposed to continue pumping drones in the mid game as zerg? I thought you were supposed to drone whore until a certain point and then make units (and obviously drone up your expos).
brood war for life, brood war forever
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
March 07 2009 04:26 GMT
#39
On January 12 2009 17:16 Seraphim wrote:
This guide will get help players get to D+ level (maaybbee C-), but not C as the guide claims. I know this was written during the PGT period, but I just wanted to point that out.


It's fairly certain one can get to C if you can fufill all the requirements of these steps.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3684 Posts
March 07 2009 07:01 GMT
#40
On March 07 2009 12:39 Crunchums wrote:
You're really supposed to continue pumping drones in the mid game as zerg? I thought you were supposed to drone whore until a certain point and then make units (and obviously drone up your expos).


It's been recently discussed that good zerg players make drones throughout the game. It takes practice to know when you can fit in a few extra drones without getting destroyed.
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Brain Bouts
16:00
#97
RotterdaM394
Liquipedia
FEL
16:00
Polish Championship: Qualifier
CranKy Ducklings10
Liquipedia
WardiTV European League
16:00
Swiss Groups Day 2
Scarlett vs Percival
Jumy vs ArT
YoungYakov vs Shameless
uThermal vs Fjant
Nicoract vs goblin
Harstem vs Gerald
WardiTV160
TKL 51
Liquipedia
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #216
davetesta80
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 394
Hui .257
Vindicta 64
TKL 51
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 41331
Calm 4664
Rain 3298
Shuttle 1674
EffOrt 1623
Horang2 1292
Hyuk 1128
Larva 693
BeSt 378
hero 195
[ Show more ]
Mind 132
Nal_rA 120
Mong 70
Snow 67
Shinee 60
Barracks 52
Hyun 48
Movie 35
soO 31
JYJ27
HiyA 19
Shine 18
yabsab 13
zelot 10
IntoTheRainbow 10
Backho 9
Dota 2
Gorgc10163
qojqva3144
League of Legends
singsing2797
Trikslyr48
Counter-Strike
zeus337
Foxcn285
byalli138
edward72
Other Games
Grubby2688
B2W.Neo1579
hiko1113
FrodaN616
Lowko362
Fuzer 336
Pyrionflax72
QueenE38
Beastyqt19
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 5
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 10
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2495
• WagamamaTV517
League of Legends
• Nemesis7177
• Jankos1757
• TFBlade1112
Other Games
• Shiphtur153
Upcoming Events
Korean StarCraft League
10h 59m
CranKy Ducklings
17h 59m
RSL Revival
17h 59m
ByuN vs Cham
herO vs Reynor
FEL
23h 59m
RSL Revival
1d 17h
Clem vs Classic
SHIN vs Cure
FEL
1d 19h
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-28
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.