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[PvT]Defending HTs and Incorporate them with Drops

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willjay84
Profile Joined June 2020
17 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-25 03:10:40
August 20 2020 08:37 GMT
#1
Hi, guys,

In the recent KCM Race Survival, Best managed to beat Flash by showing an early DT+goon+Reaver harass that surprised Flash. http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/60316077 (Timestamp: 2:18:42 - 2:31:00). A week later, he used the same strategy against Rush but this time, his tactics had been well read and Rush survived the initial DT onslaught with well-placed Turrets and went on to beat Best, kiting a few HTs with his vultures in the process before ending the game. http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/60603487 (Timestamp: 1:39:20 - 2:07:20).

Here are a few thoughts on how pros like Best can further enhance their PvT matchups, by incorporating shuttle drops with DTs or HTs. The video below is an example of a DT-Shuttle drop by Stork whereby it was executed even in the middle of some mine clusters.

https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/games/10312/vod (Timestamp: 8:10 - 10:15)

Loaded HTs + HTs on ground support technique
An example is by using storm drops in addition to HTs being mixed with the army. The idea here is that if you have already trained 2 HTs (for example), then train 2 more HTs and then load them into a shuttle where you vary your army, (even if the vultures managed to kite the HTs), you have 2 more HTs in the shuttle where you can storm drop). The video below best illustrates the idea given.


(Timestamp: 30:40 - 31:00), Jangbi had 2 HTs loaded in a shuttle, and 2 more HTs as ground support and storm drops were used in addition to the psi storm casted by HTs on the ground. Storm drops is one way of defending the HTs from vulture snipes.

The Arbiter cloak technique
Another example is to take advantage of the Arbiter cloak field. It is important to cloak the HTs together with the main army as they are vulnerable. A video below demonstrates Jangbi cloaking his HTs with an Arbiter while casting psi storms.


(Timestamp: 24:10 - 25:00).

The Carriers' Interceptors technique
A further example, in the case of defending HTs or using them against Goliaths (when the Protoss player masses carriers and the Terran player masses Goliaths), is by using the Carriers' Interceptors to draw fire from the Goliaths while at the same time, storm drops are being used against them. The idea is that while the Interceptors draw fire from the Goliaths, thus keeping the shuttle (loaded with HTs) free from enemy fire, and the unloaded HTs will then storm the preoccupied Goliaths.

The video below best demonstrates this technique. (Timestamp: 23:10 - 23:50).



The Hallucination technique
Finally, one last method to defend HTs is by hallucinating zealots as meat shields to defuse/ clear mines and to escape from vultures, though this method is not as practical or recommended as compared to Psionic Storm.

The video below shows Bisu defusing mines with hallucinated zealots. (Timestamp: 27:20 - 27:45)

https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/games/24437_Bisu_vs_Iris/vod


Forcewater
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
August 20 2020 08:44 GMT
#2
Great ideas, I'll pass this post on to Best
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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-20 09:13:46
August 20 2020 09:11 GMT
#3
On August 20 2020 17:44 Forcewater wrote:
Great ideas, I'll pass this post on to Best


His idea is not stupid at all and he put the effort to gather a few vods and examples.

I dont get the trolling.

>.<

Or... Are you really in touch with best?
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
August 20 2020 13:21 GMT
#4
Thanks for the post op!

Just pointing out all these techniques are not new and already used by pros to different extents and each player's preferences. DT drops into 2 base arbiter are gaining popularity again and putting HTs into shuttles is quite common late game PvT.

Btw watching these vods again reminds how me how good Jangbi was with storming tanks, haven't seen another Protoss replicate it tbh.
willjay84
Profile Joined June 2020
17 Posts
August 20 2020 13:55 GMT
#5
On August 20 2020 22:21 Dante08 wrote:
Thanks for the post op!

Just pointing out all these techniques are not new and already used by pros to different extents and each player's preferences. DT drops into 2 base arbiter are gaining popularity again and putting HTs into shuttles is quite common late game PvT.

Btw watching these vods again reminds how me how good Jangbi was with storming tanks, haven't seen another Protoss replicate it tbh.


You are welcome. Yes, putting HTs into shuttles or aka storm drops is quite common, but however, using storm drops and casting additional psi storms by HTs (on ground) simultaneously, is rarely seen, probably because of the micro skills required to do so.

And yes, Jangbi is the best PvTer of all time in my opinion.
Brainojack
Profile Joined March 2018
Canada195 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-21 12:09:03
August 21 2020 12:05 GMT
#6
Any link to the best vs flash game? The Link in small vods thread goes to a Snow game
willjay84
Profile Joined June 2020
17 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-21 12:42:50
August 21 2020 12:41 GMT
#7
On August 21 2020 21:05 Brainojack wrote:
Any link to the best vs flash game? The Link in small vods thread goes to a Snow game


Hi, there, just updated the post above to include the Best vs Flash game link.
Brainojack
Profile Joined March 2018
Canada195 Posts
August 21 2020 14:21 GMT
#8
On August 21 2020 21:41 willjay84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2020 21:05 Brainojack wrote:
Any link to the best vs flash game? The Link in small vods thread goes to a Snow game


Hi, there, just updated the post above to include the Best vs Flash game link.


cheers
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8901 Posts
August 22 2020 07:21 GMT
#9
On August 20 2020 22:55 willjay84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2020 22:21 Dante08 wrote:
Thanks for the post op!

Just pointing out all these techniques are not new and already used by pros to different extents and each player's preferences. DT drops into 2 base arbiter are gaining popularity again and putting HTs into shuttles is quite common late game PvT.

Btw watching these vods again reminds how me how good Jangbi was with storming tanks, haven't seen another Protoss replicate it tbh.


You are welcome. Yes, putting HTs into shuttles or aka storm drops is quite common, but however, using storm drops and casting additional psi storms by HTs (on ground) simultaneously, is rarely seen, probably because of the micro skills required to do so.

And yes, Jangbi is the best PvTer of all time in my opinion.

Agree! For me, he is the best at PvT and not only because of his outstanding storms.
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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
August 22 2020 15:20 GMT
#10
Yeah, to me it's not even close about who is the best PvTer. If protoss players want to improve and beat the top terrans, they can look no further than Jangbi's games. There's a lot with him that has never been replicated.
willjay84
Profile Joined June 2020
17 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-25 03:15:39
August 24 2020 08:10 GMT
#11
Updated with an example of defending HTs or using them against Goliaths when the Protoss goes carriers.

EDIT: Also, hallucinated zealots can be used as meat shields against mines and vultures, which is another method of defending the High Templars, though usually, psionic storm is given more preference due to its high damage output
willjay84
Profile Joined June 2020
17 Posts
August 25 2020 03:26 GMT
#12
Done. Waiting for feedback.
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