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recently in flash vs larva games, i've seen flash mass speedvults to cripple larva's economy. even with 2 sunks at a base, or with several hydras guarding the drones, flash is still able to kill so many drones before the speedvults die.
with this overlord hovering over the minerals, it makes it so that you need pixel perfect targeting to still attack the drones, which would easily stack under the overlord if you click the mineral it's in front of. with this, even if mass speedvults manage to run by your nat, or are dropped with dropship, their damage is minimized
i've tested many overlord placements and i found a sideways overlord to be the best, with the body of the overlord covering the drones... in other positions, it is not that hard to click between the tentacles to target the drones
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That is a really good idea, but I'm not sure how much it'd apply in the early stages of the game when you're using every overlord for scouting.
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On July 11 2019 12:38 ninazerg wrote:
That is a really good idea, but I'm not sure how much it'd apply in the early stages of the game when you're using every overlord for scouting.
Agree. Or in late game either vs mech switch harass. Where you have more bases and more drones to cover, and need to use apm on other things. And need to use overlords in dropship paths.
Not to crap on your idea crimson, it's a good one. Burrow might be more efficient though.
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good get rekt terrans
On July 12 2019 05:22 fearthequeen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2019 12:38 ninazerg wrote:
That is a really good idea, but I'm not sure how much it'd apply in the early stages of the game when you're using every overlord for scouting. Agree. Or in late game either vs mech switch harass. Where you have more bases and more drones to cover, and need to use apm on other things. And need to use overlords in dropship paths. Not to crap on your idea crimson, it's a good one. Burrow might be more efficient though.
T can use comsat too, and if it's important to kill drones then it would also be worth it to use a scan. If it isn't important then I dunno.
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On July 12 2019 13:38 JonttuTonttu wrote:good get rekt terrans Show nested quote +On July 12 2019 05:22 fearthequeen wrote:On July 11 2019 12:38 ninazerg wrote:
That is a really good idea, but I'm not sure how much it'd apply in the early stages of the game when you're using every overlord for scouting. Agree. Or in late game either vs mech switch harass. Where you have more bases and more drones to cover, and need to use apm on other things. And need to use overlords in dropship paths. Not to crap on your idea crimson, it's a good one. Burrow might be more efficient though. T can use comsat too, and if it's important to kill drones then it would also be worth it to use a scan. If it isn't important then I dunno.
I've it had where I burrow all the drones, and the Terran just scans, and the drones die anyway.
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On July 12 2019 14:39 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2019 13:38 JonttuTonttu wrote:good get rekt terrans On July 12 2019 05:22 fearthequeen wrote:On July 11 2019 12:38 ninazerg wrote:
That is a really good idea, but I'm not sure how much it'd apply in the early stages of the game when you're using every overlord for scouting. Agree. Or in late game either vs mech switch harass. Where you have more bases and more drones to cover, and need to use apm on other things. And need to use overlords in dropship paths. Not to crap on your idea crimson, it's a good one. Burrow might be more efficient though. T can use comsat too, and if it's important to kill drones then it would also be worth it to use a scan. If it isn't important then I dunno. I've it had where I burrow all the drones, and the Terran just scans, and the drones die anyway.
Yea that's kinda what I was saying
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On July 12 2019 14:39 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2019 13:38 JonttuTonttu wrote:good get rekt terrans On July 12 2019 05:22 fearthequeen wrote:On July 11 2019 12:38 ninazerg wrote:
That is a really good idea, but I'm not sure how much it'd apply in the early stages of the game when you're using every overlord for scouting. Agree. Or in late game either vs mech switch harass. Where you have more bases and more drones to cover, and need to use apm on other things. And need to use overlords in dropship paths. Not to crap on your idea crimson, it's a good one. Burrow might be more efficient though. T can use comsat too, and if it's important to kill drones then it would also be worth it to use a scan. If it isn't important then I dunno. I've it had where I burrow all the drones, and the Terran just scans, and the drones die anyway.
What % of the time does that happen? Of course that can happen, of course they can scan... This is about efficiency. Scan = extra apm. Also the burrowed drones are smaller targets. All I said was that it's probably the better option than placing overlords perfectly (GL with the apm demand there). Never said it's a flawless solution.
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I like it! Way to think outside the box!
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Extremely impractical with daily play with the exception of only 1 situation. They are going 1-1-1 and you have no idea what tech they are looking to transition into. Your overlord would need to be in exact position and ready to go and they would need to being doing the very specific vulture drop, as well as making sure you are hurrying to get your defending units to deal with the vultures. Great concept and trick, but very specific play.
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On July 13 2019 15:19 fearthequeen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2019 14:39 ninazerg wrote:On July 12 2019 13:38 JonttuTonttu wrote:good get rekt terrans On July 12 2019 05:22 fearthequeen wrote:On July 11 2019 12:38 ninazerg wrote:
That is a really good idea, but I'm not sure how much it'd apply in the early stages of the game when you're using every overlord for scouting. Agree. Or in late game either vs mech switch harass. Where you have more bases and more drones to cover, and need to use apm on other things. And need to use overlords in dropship paths. Not to crap on your idea crimson, it's a good one. Burrow might be more efficient though. T can use comsat too, and if it's important to kill drones then it would also be worth it to use a scan. If it isn't important then I dunno. I've it had where I burrow all the drones, and the Terran just scans, and the drones die anyway. What % of the time does that happen? Of course that can happen, of course they can scan... This is about efficiency. Scan = extra apm. Also the burrowed drones are smaller targets. All I said was that it's probably the better option than placing overlords perfectly (GL with the apm demand there). Never said it's a flawless solution.
Like 100% of the time lol
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On July 17 2019 08:34 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2019 15:19 fearthequeen wrote:On July 12 2019 14:39 ninazerg wrote:On July 12 2019 13:38 JonttuTonttu wrote:good get rekt terrans On July 12 2019 05:22 fearthequeen wrote:On July 11 2019 12:38 ninazerg wrote:
That is a really good idea, but I'm not sure how much it'd apply in the early stages of the game when you're using every overlord for scouting. Agree. Or in late game either vs mech switch harass. Where you have more bases and more drones to cover, and need to use apm on other things. And need to use overlords in dropship paths. Not to crap on your idea crimson, it's a good one. Burrow might be more efficient though. T can use comsat too, and if it's important to kill drones then it would also be worth it to use a scan. If it isn't important then I dunno. I've it had where I burrow all the drones, and the Terran just scans, and the drones die anyway. What % of the time does that happen? Of course that can happen, of course they can scan... This is about efficiency. Scan = extra apm. Also the burrowed drones are smaller targets. All I said was that it's probably the better option than placing overlords perfectly (GL with the apm demand there). Never said it's a flawless solution. Like 100% of the time lol
I guess you play vs flash a lot. Or they come with 6+ vults. then yeah I guess it's gonna happen. Doesn't change the argument.
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On July 17 2019 13:40 fearthequeen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2019 08:34 ninazerg wrote:On July 13 2019 15:19 fearthequeen wrote:On July 12 2019 14:39 ninazerg wrote:On July 12 2019 13:38 JonttuTonttu wrote:good get rekt terrans On July 12 2019 05:22 fearthequeen wrote:On July 11 2019 12:38 ninazerg wrote:
That is a really good idea, but I'm not sure how much it'd apply in the early stages of the game when you're using every overlord for scouting. Agree. Or in late game either vs mech switch harass. Where you have more bases and more drones to cover, and need to use apm on other things. And need to use overlords in dropship paths. Not to crap on your idea crimson, it's a good one. Burrow might be more efficient though. T can use comsat too, and if it's important to kill drones then it would also be worth it to use a scan. If it isn't important then I dunno. I've it had where I burrow all the drones, and the Terran just scans, and the drones die anyway. What % of the time does that happen? Of course that can happen, of course they can scan... This is about efficiency. Scan = extra apm. Also the burrowed drones are smaller targets. All I said was that it's probably the better option than placing overlords perfectly (GL with the apm demand there). Never said it's a flawless solution. Like 100% of the time lol I guess you play vs flash a lot. Or they come with 6+ vults. then yeah I guess it's gonna happen. Doesn't change the argument.
It's literally you hit 0 + s + click
LITERALLY.
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On July 17 2019 14:42 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2019 13:40 fearthequeen wrote:On July 17 2019 08:34 ninazerg wrote:On July 13 2019 15:19 fearthequeen wrote:On July 12 2019 14:39 ninazerg wrote:On July 12 2019 13:38 JonttuTonttu wrote:good get rekt terrans On July 12 2019 05:22 fearthequeen wrote:On July 11 2019 12:38 ninazerg wrote:
That is a really good idea, but I'm not sure how much it'd apply in the early stages of the game when you're using every overlord for scouting. Agree. Or in late game either vs mech switch harass. Where you have more bases and more drones to cover, and need to use apm on other things. And need to use overlords in dropship paths. Not to crap on your idea crimson, it's a good one. Burrow might be more efficient though. T can use comsat too, and if it's important to kill drones then it would also be worth it to use a scan. If it isn't important then I dunno. I've it had where I burrow all the drones, and the Terran just scans, and the drones die anyway. What % of the time does that happen? Of course that can happen, of course they can scan... This is about efficiency. Scan = extra apm. Also the burrowed drones are smaller targets. All I said was that it's probably the better option than placing overlords perfectly (GL with the apm demand there). Never said it's a flawless solution. Like 100% of the time lol I guess you play vs flash a lot. Or they come with 6+ vults. then yeah I guess it's gonna happen. Doesn't change the argument. It's literally you hit 0 + s + click LITERALLY.
I haven't done the math but that is more than the zero APM they spend normally I think. Bro
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On July 17 2019 20:27 fearthequeen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2019 14:42 ninazerg wrote:On July 17 2019 13:40 fearthequeen wrote:On July 17 2019 08:34 ninazerg wrote:On July 13 2019 15:19 fearthequeen wrote:On July 12 2019 14:39 ninazerg wrote:On July 12 2019 13:38 JonttuTonttu wrote:good get rekt terrans On July 12 2019 05:22 fearthequeen wrote:On July 11 2019 12:38 ninazerg wrote:
That is a really good idea, but I'm not sure how much it'd apply in the early stages of the game when you're using every overlord for scouting. Agree. Or in late game either vs mech switch harass. Where you have more bases and more drones to cover, and need to use apm on other things. And need to use overlords in dropship paths. Not to crap on your idea crimson, it's a good one. Burrow might be more efficient though. T can use comsat too, and if it's important to kill drones then it would also be worth it to use a scan. If it isn't important then I dunno. I've it had where I burrow all the drones, and the Terran just scans, and the drones die anyway. What % of the time does that happen? Of course that can happen, of course they can scan... This is about efficiency. Scan = extra apm. Also the burrowed drones are smaller targets. All I said was that it's probably the better option than placing overlords perfectly (GL with the apm demand there). Never said it's a flawless solution. Like 100% of the time lol I guess you play vs flash a lot. Or they come with 6+ vults. then yeah I guess it's gonna happen. Doesn't change the argument. It's literally you hit 0 + s + click LITERALLY. I haven't done the math but that is more than the zero APM they spend normally I think. Bro
I'm not sure what you mean. They're not going to just send a bunch of vultures and then go "I'mma just them do they thing" and not micro them unless they're terrible. All I was saying was that they don't have to be "Flash" to do a simple scan if they see the drones burrow. They generally do scanner sweeps in the mid/late game anyhow to look for stuff to kill.
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On July 17 2019 20:27 fearthequeen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2019 14:42 ninazerg wrote:On July 17 2019 13:40 fearthequeen wrote:On July 17 2019 08:34 ninazerg wrote:On July 13 2019 15:19 fearthequeen wrote:On July 12 2019 14:39 ninazerg wrote:On July 12 2019 13:38 JonttuTonttu wrote:good get rekt terrans On July 12 2019 05:22 fearthequeen wrote:On July 11 2019 12:38 ninazerg wrote:
That is a really good idea, but I'm not sure how much it'd apply in the early stages of the game when you're using every overlord for scouting. Agree. Or in late game either vs mech switch harass. Where you have more bases and more drones to cover, and need to use apm on other things. And need to use overlords in dropship paths. Not to crap on your idea crimson, it's a good one. Burrow might be more efficient though. T can use comsat too, and if it's important to kill drones then it would also be worth it to use a scan. If it isn't important then I dunno. I've it had where I burrow all the drones, and the Terran just scans, and the drones die anyway. What % of the time does that happen? Of course that can happen, of course they can scan... This is about efficiency. Scan = extra apm. Also the burrowed drones are smaller targets. All I said was that it's probably the better option than placing overlords perfectly (GL with the apm demand there). Never said it's a flawless solution. Like 100% of the time lol I guess you play vs flash a lot. Or they come with 6+ vults. then yeah I guess it's gonna happen. Doesn't change the argument. It's literally you hit 0 + s + click LITERALLY. I haven't done the math but that is more than the zero APM they spend normally I think. Bro
Sidenote: It should be "Sis".
Normaly I'm always annoyed by people who tell the tale that "APM doesn't matter" (because from some level onwards you need a certain eAPM to do all the necessary stuff and you cannot have that without enough APM), but concerning this bit of the discussion here I have to agree: scanning once or twice just doesn't put enough of a strain on any Terran's APM who is D+ or above to make a good point out of this... If you want to count those 3 APM as a plus for getting burrow-tech then its effect is like infinitelly close to zero. Scanning takes about as much attention as breathing and about as long as a blink.
BUT fearthequeen mentioned that he doesn't say that burrowing is the perfect solution, and surely situations can occur where Terran misses a few drones due to burrow:
- Terran is surprised by the burrow tech and has to think for a second (xD)
- the scan runs out before Terran scans again (in the next second xD)
- Terran runs out of scans (after killing all the drones with the scans that he/she had xD, then Zerg has no money but half a minute to tech-switch or lurker-attack)
- situations where Terran just ran a few vults behind the mineral-line and can't pay attention
Overall scan is just the hard-counter to burrow... The 1-1-1 build especially gets scan quite late though, so having burrow against an earlier runby could be nice. Very situational obviously, you'd have to get burrow blindly.
edit: another thing: why should it be so APM-intensive to put the overlord there where OP mentioned? You just bring an overlord into the proximity behind the mineral line, tell it to wobble over the minerals and press S at the right time (?). You could do this bit by bit, in 2-3 steps over a minute or two when you have spare-APM.
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This is a cool idea if they run past your natural, but proper blocking will prevent that. The thing is if you put the overlord there and they go wraith into dropship, there is a chance it is going to get killed by the wraith. If they skip the wraith and just go into vulture drop this could help reduce damage.
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On July 18 2019 05:14 Highgamer wrote:
Sidenote: It should be "Sis".
Thanks, but I'm fine if someone say "bruh". Cuz then I get to be one of the boiiiiizzzz
Also, fearthequeen knows me.
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I guess I wasn't thinking too deeply on this. It makes a lot more sense now that I see he is just using 1 ov per mineral line and stacking to that protected patch. This in combination with burrow might be the ultimate solution. I.e stack to patch and burrow them all under the ov could possibly be completely untargetable.
Sorry for getting carried away when I didn't even know what I was looking at.
P.s. Nina is a bro
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On July 19 2019 14:45 fearthequeen wrote:
I guess I wasn't thinking too deeply on this. It makes a lot more sense now that I see he is just using 1 ov per mineral line and stacking to that protected patch. This in combination with burrow might be the ultimate solution. I.e stack to patch and burrow them all under the ov could possibly be completely untargetable.
Sorry for getting carried away when I didn't even know what I was looking at.
P.s. Nina is a bro
That overlord block+drone stack+burrow could be a really strong combination defense wise for harassing vults. There's one thing to consider whether the cost of burrow is worth extra APM freed from not having to spam the drones onto a single mineral stack (unless shift+clicking on the minerals can keep them stacked) and saving 9 or so drones for example (which I'm guessing it is), and whether or not even with these combined methods the vultures won't just auto-attack the drones, so you still need combat units or buildings there to draw fire in place of the workers but that's the case already so I guess not much changes, however 1 spore colony to draw damage from vults and reveal and help killing wraiths faster with hydra/muta support (or scourge) is prolly the way to go.
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i saw this game too, was about to post it... whose the zerg?
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