[Proposal]A list of popular stats misconceptions - Page 4

On April 01 2007 04:20 lololol wrote:
Actually it's not line splash
It was defined as "line" in Arsenal, but it's still circular, the difference with the defined as "radial" splash is that it does not hit friendlies.
In DatEdit they are called Radial and Enemy splash and lots of other things are fixed and most of the Arsenal's unknowns are correctly named
Firebats are coded to have 3 damage areas per attack.
Lurkers have more, but a unit can't be hit by more than one and they don't have 25% or 50% splash, only 100%. Another thing is that a lurker, that dies exactly when attacking(in the same game tick) will hit for DOUBLE damage. This could be due to the "unit can't be hit by multiple damage zones" rule bugging out or something else, I don't know
Scarabs/archons just deal splash damage in a circular area

On March 28 2005 18:11 Empyrean wrote:
In case anyone has questions about splash damage, I’ve put together a little splash compendium.

First thing to remember about splash: There are four types of splash, radial, line, spell, and “special”. Of the four, special is limited only to Devourers, while radial and spell are the two most common ones.

Secondly, each splash has a certain area of effect (duh). Radial splash has splash originating from the origin in a circle-square pattern, which is basically what happens if you take a square are smooth out the edge a lot. It’s kind of like an oblong looking thing, with eccentricity closer to that of a circle. Line splash has splash in a line with a small radius of extra splash in the case of the Firebat.

Third, the radius of splash is varied. In radial splash, the epicenter of the attack will take full damage, while two other splash layers, deemed r1 and r2, deal 50% and 25% damage respectively. You can check Arsenal for exact ranges. The splash is dealt as a percentage of damage, after armour and damage type are applied. Certain spells such as Nuke and Irradiate have special instances of radii other than the two ranges listed in Arsenal (actually spell splash isn’t even given in statistics).

Ok now onto the different types.

Radial splash, which is used by units such as the Siege Tank, Reaver, and Infested Terran, deal damage in an epicenter of a certain radius (always small, but it will deal full damage to a splash), while damage radiates out in the two splash ranges, the r1 and r2 with the 50% and 25% damage. Some units such as the Siege Tank and Infested Terran deal friendly and allied splash damage, while Reavers deal only allied splash damage as well as splash to the enemy.

Radial splash also deals damage under Dark Swarm, but only the splash as a corresponding radius is dealt. As all attacks are shifted a bit when under Swarm (the pure sprite of the attack), the splash will be dealt at the attack target, while the epicenter of the attack sprite will actually deal full damage (not verified for 1.12, but it did for 1.08 ) to any units caught in the sprite range a bit to the left. Burrowed units under Dark Swarm will take no damage, but if a unit is targeted and the r1 or r2 splash is in range of a burrowed unit outside of Dark Swarm, the burrowed unit will take damage.

The second type of splash, line splash, is damage dealt in a line from units such as the Lurker and the Firebat. This type deals full damage without a reduced-damage radius throughout its entire sprite. Thus, the Lurker will always deal 20 damage to any unit caught in its attack. A note on the Lurker is also the fact that the splash will actually carry farther beyond its actual range, so if you are targeting a Bunker that is out of range just slightly, if the Bunker is unloaded and you attack a Marine, the Bunker will take full damage.

A Hybrid of this is unique only to Firebats, which has a combo of both Radial or Line, or, depending on your perspective, radial only with a very elongated radius of effect. The Firebat deals full line damage in two short rows, but any units not caught directly in the attack animation will also take r1 damage only.

Spell splash is basically the area of effect for the spell, that is, you are either caught by the spell or not and take full damage or effects of it (exceptions are Nuke, and Irradiate). All units caught by the range of effect will take the effect.

Nukes give large r1 and r2 splash, and also have a tertiary splash range and is the only attack to do that (Other units that appear to have that effect such as the Archon are only taking r1 or r2 and receiving damage from the attack itself. It’s a strange effect. It’s also why Archon attacks sometimes seem to do more damage than they should).

Irradiate gives an epicenter of attack, but with stacked splash. It is the only splash in the game that has the potential to do more damage than the epicenter, as successive Irradiates will not do more damage (but renew its effect), but the splash will stack. What I mean is: if you cast 12 Irradiates on a Tank and Zerglings attack it, it will do the same damage as one Irradiate and one Irradiate's splash (the spell is on one target, and the effect is renewed). However, f you Irradiate 12 Vessels, Scourge will not be able to kill any as the Irradiate splash is in excess of 25 per second compounded through all the castings and is thus able to kill the Scourge. There are 12 Epicenters, and thus 12 splash radii which compound damage with each other at the splash only.

Special splash is limited to only the Devourer, which has a radius of 1 for its epicenter and will therefore only damage one unit, but its spell will affect neighboring enemies.

-yue

On March 31 2007 14:17 Random() wrote:
Should be widely known, but anyway:
Terran siege tank's maximum range in siege mode is less than it's vision range. Thus, one can gain an advantage (especially noticeable in TvT) by using something to provide vision for sieged tanks, such as floating e-bay.

On April 02 2007 02:12 pyrogenetix wrote:
awesome thread

so basically... unless you have reavers... all other protoss units dont do jack scratch vs swarm ultras?

On April 02 2007 00:23 lololol wrote:
Most of the quoted by GrandInquisitor is not true. Even basic things are wrong, splash damage reduction is before armor amount and type reduction, there is no line splash, e.t.c. the info is extremely old and not well tested and most of it just not true.

stambe just do a google search, man These programs are for editing .dat files, which contain data about almost everything in starcraft(attack cooldowns, spell damage amounts, and lots of other things) and can create a modded version of it.
Here you can get DatEdit, which is the latest and best among these tools: http://www.smempire.org/forums.php?action=viewthread&id=2285

On April 02 2007 02:12 pyrogenetix wrote:
awesome thread

so basically... unless you have reavers... all other protoss units dont do jack scratch vs swarm ultras?

On April 02 2007 05:47 Patriot.dlk wrote:
My two cents;

Landing a building, for example Barrack on swarm removes the swarm. Naturally there can't be creep or anything else making the landing illegal, needs to be a perfectly normal landing.

The swarm cloud just goes away directly.. Not to effective though since it's hard to land since there's zerglings and stuff in the way mostly.

Landing a building on mutalisks morphing into gards/dev will kill them eggs directly, simply crush them.

This I have used, Had an ebay for scouting over the edge of my exp and I killed all but two muta eggs before they morphed, he had no idea I guess.

There's a third but I will keep it for myself ; >

On April 02 2007 05:58 Slayer91 wrote:
WAIT!

9 dev spores on bc+plague = like almost instant -499 hp vs a bc over reducing it to 200 hp?

I hope so!

On March 30 2007 09:34 stambe wrote:
Acid Spores are cumulative in effects, each spore increases
cooldown in weaponry by 1/8th of the original cooldown value. They also
make the affected units suffer additional damage when being attacked.

This means that for example a valk has 64 cooldown. With 9 acid spores
it's cooldown will be 64+64x9/8=136. Thats the cooldown between separate
volleys not between each missile fired. And Ensnare cooldown effect stacks
with Acid spores. I have the numbers of my calculations but cant find them
at the moment.

Devourer's Acid Spores hit about 1.5x1.5 matrix space.

Acid Spores increase the overall damage done by Irradiate and Psi Storm.
Example : Irradiate decrease life by 3 hp each time. If a unit has 9 acid spores
and is irradiated it's life decreases by 12 hp each time !!! Storm does 112 dmg
overall divided in 8 times 14 damage each. A unit with 9 spores will take 8x(14+9)=184
dmg storm. Thats in my mind right now. Hope you guys find it usefull.

On April 02 2007 05:47 Patriot.dlk wrote:
My two cents;

Landing a building, for example Barrack on swarm removes the swarm. Naturally there can't be creep or anything else making the landing illegal, needs to be a perfectly normal landing.

The swarm cloud just goes away directly.. Not to effective though since it's hard to land since there's zerglings and stuff in the way mostly.

Landing a building on mutalisks morphing into gards/dev will kill them eggs directly, simply crush them.

This I have used, Had an ebay for scouting over the edge of my exp and I killed all but two muta eggs before they morphed, he had no idea I guess.

There's a third but I will keep it for myself ; >

On April 02 2007 06:37 stambe wrote:




Acid Spores only works with Irradiate and Psionic Storm, not for Plague.



I've tried landing a barrack on the swarm but it didn't disappear - is it necessary the barrack and
the swarm to be from players on enemy teams, because i used Single Player with toss, stole a
probe and SCV and develop both races to test this. Some feedback would be usefull.

The E-bay crushing muta morphing into guard/devo also didn't worked the way i tested it.