ZvT stopping 8rax bunker rush

20Nation

United States258 Posts

July 27 2005 17:41 GMT

I dont see the 8 rax until I've already made expansion so there is no going back from my original build, but does anybody have some current patch reps of somebody simply owning a bunker rush like 8 rax? and also how many drones do I send to help, and when? Should I send them right when I scout 8 rax or right when I see his scv thats prolly gonna bunker me?
thx

idontknownick

United Kingdom98 Posts

July 27 2005 18:17 GMT

"go 9 overlord 9 hatchery 9 pool" and believe me this is very safe built. try it. also vs toss is good too.

20Nation

United States258 Posts

July 27 2005 18:21 GMT

but I want the early advantage of 13 hatch 12 pool and I know that some places I have seen players play this perfectly maybe its micro thats why a rep on new patch would be nice.

EnDeR_

Spain2777 Posts

July 27 2005 19:19 GMT

13 hatch 12 pool?
What have you been smoking? No wonder you get owned by 8 rax -_-
Go for a faster hatch and pool, there really is no other choice. A well done 8 rax rush is practically unstopable if the terran can micro (i'm talking about bringing 5-6 scvs into the fray too) and you went 12 hatch, you would have to be much better than him to win.

[edit] Well, you might have a chance at stopping it if the positions are extremely far (like luna on diagonal positions), but it is very hard still.

[edit2] If he doesn't send a shitload of scvs, you can bring 6-8 drones and try to catch the marines before they get inside the bunker, just move them past the bunker and try to surround the marines until the zerglings come. You should send them as soon as you see the scv stalling around your exp.

[yet another edit] http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=10663
Use the fucking search function, it's there for a reason.

ToT)MidiaN(

England2183 Posts

July 27 2005 21:56 GMT

If you 9 drone scout then it'll reach the main that you send it to before you make hatch, thus allowing for a 12 pool build to be made on time, your overlord will also scout the closest position before you commit to expand, meaning that only 33% of the time will the 8 rax go unscouted (in LT), and that 33% of the time it'll be in furthest position,making it much easier to stop. The amount of drones you bring depends on the amount of scvs he brings. 8 rax is only good if he brings 5+ scvs, and even then you should be able to buy enough time to get lings out, you should do this with 8 drones (bring all but 3 or 4 drones if he sends like 12 scv), either attack scvs if there aren't many, or blocking the marine's path to the bunker if there's too many scvs. I reformatted not too long ago so I have very few replays, I do have one replay of me stopping an 8 barracks when he brought 2 scvs, but I shouldn't imagine it'll be too useful, i'll link it anyway : http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=28877

distant_voice

Germany2521 Posts

July 27 2005 22:00 GMT

this'll take you to the download link:

http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=28877

and thx a lot Midian for helping out.

ToT)MidiaN(

England2183 Posts

July 27 2005 22:12 GMT

Oops mistake with the link, cheers

exalted

United States3612 Posts

July 27 2005 23:06 GMT

Midian's advice is right on spot, plus you don't go 13 hatch 12 pool, 12 hatch 11 pool is the standard and basically the most you can squeeze out in economic advantage - you can only take what you're allowed to have, obviously 12 hatch 15 pool would be better economically but you don't have that kind of time.

ToT)MidiaN(

England2183 Posts

July 28 2005 02:44 GMT

http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=28880
here's another, played about an hour ago or so. Also shows how to deal with 2 port wraith.

riPPEy.rH

Finland94 Posts

July 28 2005 03:05 GMT

#10

thanks midian, first rep was good. helped me alot.
nice hold lurks =)

Night[Mare

Mexico4793 Posts

July 28 2005 03:26 GMT

#11

9 drone scouting will spot an early rax, and if you have 6-8 drones before any scv/rine arrive, his bunk rush will most likely fail, unless your micro suck

20Nation

United States258 Posts

July 28 2005 04:47 GMT

#12

Thx much Midian I think this will help me tons. Hope England gets bw in wcg, cuz you've been one of the only top players we haven't seen at wcg T.T. GL

ToT)MidiaN(

England2183 Posts

July 28 2005 07:16 GMT

#13

Heh, no problem and thanks O_O~ Though I don't consider myself a top player : ) not even by nonkorean standards : )

Mora

Canada5235 Posts

July 28 2005 12:28 GMT

#14

midian u are easily a top player u stupid git.

and one of my favourite players on top of that.

<3

20Nation

United States258 Posts

July 28 2005 13:53 GMT

#15

I think that if you got playing as many games as you used to you could easily get top 5 non korean. And not only are you highly skilled your are hella manner. ^^
btw: Your games helped me alot I've had my friends 8rax bunker rush me a bunch of times and I've only lost once since then.

Raidern

Brazil3811 Posts

July 28 2005 23:00 GMT

#16

yeah that piss me off
sometimes i can even handle it, but i lose so many peones that the game is over from that moment -_-
btw, i would like to tell midian that the '12 pool 3 sunken rush vs fast exps zvz' worked here lol

tuesday

United States222 Posts

July 28 2005 23:12 GMT

#17

midian is the man, any chance of more FPVods?

ToT)MidiaN(

England2183 Posts

July 28 2005 23:24 GMT

#18

Nah my camtasia expired, i'll make a replay pack of my game-i games though, i'm using penguinplug so i should save them all. Will release when season's over I guess

decafchicken

United States20111 Posts

July 29 2005 01:30 GMT

#19

BTW Midian, nice name in the replay "iloveavernum: )"

[GiTM]-Ace

United States4935 Posts

July 29 2005 02:10 GMT

#20

On July 29 2005 08:24 iD.MidiaN wrote:
Nah my camtasia expired, i'll make a replay pack of my game-i games though, i'm using penguinplug so i should save them all. Will release when season's over I guess

omg <3

tuesday

United States222 Posts

July 29 2005 14:13 GMT

#21

yea, your totally my favorite non-korean zerg

()_()
(^.^)
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yea,im so bored you get a bunny

edit: take that, i think it is better now

THC-303

Canada113 Posts

August 24 2005 05:15 GMT

#22

your bunny is missing a leg..

Echo

United States435 Posts

August 24 2005 05:22 GMT

#23

im calling peta

red.venom

United States4651 Posts

August 24 2005 06:02 GMT

#24

One little tip is that if you suspect he will try to bunker you really need to pre-empt his attempt. It's better to pull 3-4 drones off a bit earlier than normal and possibly not be bunkered then to come with 8 drones too late to stop a bunker from finishing. IMO. Even if you can't stop the bunker, all hope isn't lost. You can still possibly put a sunken out of range or mass lings for a a sec and overwhelm it when you get 10-12.

skindzer

Chile5114 Posts

August 24 2005 06:16 GMT

#25

Something that may help you is throwing 2 drones to start building creep colonies and others 2 to attack the bunker/ svcs. (Try to send always 4 to 5 drones always, even if your enemy has good micro you still should be able to finish building the sunken in time) If you dont, then probably you are not doing the BO fast enough.

(By the time the drones get there the hatch should be at max 5 sec from finishing)

Another thing that has helped me is that when i sense that i´m late I steal is gas, that way he´ll probably try to kill it with a marine or an svc at least getting you some more extra time that could be vital.

Other thing that has also helped me some time is putting a drone out of is natural (LT for example) so when their troops come out they lose time atacking the drone. With some basic micro at least you will get 2~7 second more to your favor.

its.a.secret

Poland38 Posts

August 24 2005 06:36 GMT

#26

Wow, nice rep by Midian

OneOther

United States10774 Posts

August 24 2005 08:52 GMT

#27

Doesn't drone micro come in pretty handy?
Is this after u 12 hatch expoed?

I like to send about 8 drones..and micro the hell out of myself. But yeah You should do 12hatch expo not 13 hatch expo it makes a lot of difference. Good luck.

20Nation

United States258 Posts

August 24 2005 11:44 GMT

#28

wow this thread helped me tons, from when i posted this ive lost to bunker rush about 4 out of 45 times at least, basically now bunker rush is just ez to play as long as i scout what rax he does, cuz 8 rax means u need to sent more drones etc. but ya basically midian helped me tons <3

FoxBlade

United States17 Posts

August 24 2005 12:18 GMT

#29

hmmm.... try 12 pool -> 12 Hatch

tuesday

United States222 Posts

August 24 2005 12:36 GMT

#30

On August 24 2005 14:15 THC-303 wrote:
your bunny is missing a leg..

you bumped a month old thread to make fun of my disabled bunny?!?!