What do you do as the terran in tvp when the protoss sends their first 2-3 zealots to attack? I have a really hard time dealing with them and it sets me back really far. Then they just follow up with mass goon or reaver, neither of which I can hold off since I was delayed so much

CaffeineFree-_-

United States712 Posts

October 09 2011 02:27 GMT

#802

Wall then; at beginner levels it always pays to wall. Even in later levels you have to have pretty fine control to deflect zealot pressure, IMO.

scarper65

1560 Posts

October 09 2011 02:34 GMT

#803

How do you deal with early dragoon pressure then? Approximately how many marines should I have per dragoon

CaffeineFree-_-

United States712 Posts

October 09 2011 02:40 GMT

#804

Repair wall and use your tank? When I wall I usually just make 1 marine to deflect the probe, sometimes i make 2/3 if he 2 gates. Always 16 fact, and your tank should pop maybe 5 seconds at most of his goon harassing your wall, in which case you should pull marine back and repair your wall, taking care not to lose any.

If he goes heavy goon then you just make some scvs from your 2nd cc and wait for a few more tanks before moving down to claim your natural.

scarper65

1560 Posts

October 09 2011 03:09 GMT

#805

Yeah I need to work on walling off. A lot of times it doesn't seem to work, and the zealots just run in. Thanks

lyAsakura

United States1414 Posts

October 09 2011 03:17 GMT

#806

On October 09 2011 12:09 scarper65 wrote:
Yeah I need to work on walling off. A lot of times it doesn't seem to work, and the zealots just run in. Thanks

if you don't know the wall, just make four or five marines and put an scv or two on the ramp. if he attacks the scv, pull it back to your min line after 3 hits and the zealot should run away or it will die.
you could use the marines as a fd, in a bunker if you siege expo, or just put one at each toss expo.

ZeroChrome

Canada1001 Posts

October 09 2011 05:35 GMT

#807

You don't even need to wall. If you can, just put your barracks touching the left side of your depot and it becomes zealot proof. Micro through the gap to kill the zealots. 3 marines is enough to hold off 2 goons trying to attack up the ramp until the tank comes out.

JMave

Singapore1806 Posts

October 09 2011 06:29 GMT

#808

On October 09 2011 11:23 scarper65 wrote:
What do you do as the terran in tvp when the protoss sends their first 2-3 zealots to attack? I have a really hard time dealing with them and it sets me back really far. Then they just follow up with mass goon or reaver, neither of which I can hold off since I was delayed so much

If you don't wall, his zealot should approx be there when you have 2 to 3 marines. I think it is good practice if you fd to send one scv at the ramp to block off the zealot.

Or alternatively if you have good micro,

3:25.

Usually if you can hold the first zealot off well enough, the second one will usually put him behind.

dementrio

678 Posts

October 09 2011 07:51 GMT

#809

I think it's better to just wall, esp. since at d you often face stuff like forward gate/2gate. You can hold without wall but it's just putting unnecessary strain on yourself - it's not that difficult with a good simcity, but what is difficult is deflecting the zealot with zero losses (even 1 scv, or 1 marine, is not much but an unnecessary loss) + i often don't like where I have to place my factory to simcity

Snipinpanda

United States1227 Posts

October 09 2011 10:03 GMT

#810

On October 09 2011 12:09 scarper65 wrote:
Yeah I need to work on walling off. A lot of times it doesn't seem to work, and the zealots just run in. Thanks

Just remember that depot should be going above or right of rax. Any depot-depot will wall out zealots.

So, just to reiterate:
depot or rax-depot
rax

puppykiller

United States3137 Posts

October 09 2011 15:25 GMT

#811

On October 09 2011 12:09 scarper65 wrote:
Yeah I need to work on walling off. A lot of times it doesn't seem to work, and the zealots just run in. Thanks

I think on liquidpediaphile you can see images of effective nubile walls on most played maps/ You can also figure out the walls yourself in single player. If it is marine tight... lings can't get through, if it is scv tight... zealots can't get through (there are a couple exceptions to this such as the most obvious way of walling top right position on fs). I also reccomend developing building and turret placement you feel is optimal but i guess that's your choice.

Skeggaba

Korea (South)1556 Posts

October 09 2011 19:42 GMT

#812

Thank you for answering the port-question!

Another one that just hit me: Does Koreans have the same keyboard set-up as we do? I know Germans doesnt, but maybe they´re required to play "standard" in foreign tournaments?

hacklebeast

United States5090 Posts

October 09 2011 20:34 GMT

#813

On October 10 2011 04:42 Skeggaba wrote:
Thank you for answering the port-question!

Another one that just hit me: Does Koreans have the same keyboard set-up as we do? I know Germans doesnt, but maybe they´re required to play "standard" in foreign tournaments?

They do. I remember seeing a picture of boxer's keyboard once with select keys removed, including "n", "j", "k", and "," so that the "m" was isolated.

sabas123

Netherlands3122 Posts

October 10 2011 14:23 GMT

#814

hello i cant find a post where they explainded that most of the time on iccup rank you get afther
1 year playing d+
2 years c-
something on those lines, can any1 help finding that psot for me?

or yust explain how long it usaly does take to get to c/c+??

Phyrigian

New Zealand1332 Posts

October 10 2011 19:23 GMT

#815

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fencer

122 Posts

October 11 2011 10:22 GMT

#816

How do you change your own color to teal and the enemy's to red?
Someone said tab but that just toggles the terrain.

dementrio

678 Posts

October 11 2011 11:05 GMT

#817

shift+tab once for minimap, twice for textures

dementrio

678 Posts

October 11 2011 16:43 GMT

#818

in tvt, what is the right way to react to an early mine contain and get some map control back before he can start rallying tanks in front of my nat? Also, if I open with vultures myself, how do i transition out of it? it seems to me that starting tank production leaves you vulnerable since he'll have more vultures.

duncan.mc

United States231 Posts

October 11 2011 21:37 GMT

#819

So I want to start REALLY focusing on mechanics. My favorite aspect of BW is the feeling I get when my fingers and hands are executing commands quickly and precisely on screen, not so much any kind of epic strategy or deeply thought out build order. I'd like to get good enough to play the keyboard like a piano and eliminate all of the suboptimal hand movements I can, so I ask you:

What are the best resources for improving mechanics?

So far I've come across
Day[9] Podcasts - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=89581
FPVODs - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272381 (and many other sources such as BNet Attack, etc)
Day[9] Daily #252 - http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-252-secrets-of-hotkeys-apm-and-mouse-movement-4730506

Are there other reputable sources for teaching mechanics? Anything at all would be useful.

Also, in terms of FPVODs, which pro (specifically Protoss) is considered the most mechanically sound that I should study?

Slightly more involved question but I don't think it warranted its own thread.
Thanks!