try this at higher levels than i am playing at (i'm at d/d+) to see if it works as well.

pvz -> fe with early gas. then skip stargate and build two archives instead to get maelstrom and storm at the same time. i "designed" this to counter mutas, and at my level it seems to work.

Neobick

Sweden208 Posts

January 02 2010 18:43 GMT

#203

Try this in a TvZ against a 3 hatch muta

1 rax fast expand with double ebay, fast upgrade marines and Push out for a sunken break when 2-2?

lIlIlIlIlIlI

Korea (South)3851 Posts

January 04 2010 03:13 GMT

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MidnightGladius

China1214 Posts

January 04 2010 03:26 GMT

#205

That's the spirit! Tough luck with the CSL.

I know you probably have more than enough projects backlogged, so I'll save my suggestions for later.

lIlIlIlIlIlI

Korea (South)3851 Posts

January 04 2010 03:46 GMT

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GeneralStan

United States4789 Posts

January 04 2010 03:55 GMT

#207

How about an M&M push in TvT?

zergnewb

United States816 Posts

January 04 2010 03:56 GMT

#208

Project 21 is old. Nongmin does a great 9 pool method of this on desti.

lIlIlIlIlIlI

Korea (South)3851 Posts

January 04 2010 05:07 GMT

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yoden

United States64 Posts

January 04 2010 05:21 GMT

#210

You should really smurf if you're doing this; I knew who you were when you played me also (project 12v2). Of course, I thought you would be going for the wraith build (someone had done that to me earlier in the day). I've also had someone else try the all-vulture approach against me and beat me

For project 21, I see crap like this all the time. Another variation is to 12 hat, then mine it out later (usually, P will assume you're gonna leave it alone eventually). Get zergling speed and deny scout. Then run in with a control group of zerglings and pwn the main. This works especially well if the P didn't make much zealots or dragoons, and you can follow it up with quick lurkers if it doesn't beat them. I'm pretty sure with the right combination of the different mineral mining strategies and normal play a D+ player could beat me something like 90% of the time (I'm D+ also).

stoned_rabbit

United States324 Posts

January 04 2010 05:31 GMT

#211

yeah 21 happens quite often... not all that original or anything.

but yeah, if you want a real challenge. tvz go 3cc scv and do a scv runby. there was a replay of someone doing this in the "cheese/funny/mass/owned" thread. shits funny.

QuakerOats

United States1024 Posts

January 05 2010 21:47 GMT

#212

I just went and did Project 7. Not really as fun as I thought it would be, because he quit after losing most of his drones to the cannons.

evanthebouncy!

United States12816 Posts

January 05 2010 21:56 GMT

#213

hahahaha the mining out of the Desti sim City one I did it in a tourney but with burrow/unburrow lings
It's good lol

Iplaythings

Denmark9110 Posts

January 05 2010 23:18 GMT

#214

Make a Ghost heavy lategame for TvZ

Impervious

Canada4222 Posts

January 06 2010 03:07 GMT

#215

ZvT

12 pool 11 gas into 1 hatch Lurker vs a bio build (preferably a 1 rax expand). Make no more than 6 Lurkers. Keep getting gas. Only make lings as needed. The extra drones from the 12 pool will be needed.

While the attack is going on, put down a queens nest, evo chamber (armor upgrade), nat hatchery plus the gas (if it isn't down yet), then get your hive. Make some extra drones at this point.

When the hive is up, get ultra den, and pump ultraling, from 2 hatch.

You should be able to get a few ultras, plus the extra carapace or speed for ultras, +1 carapace, speed and crack for lings. I'm not sure which order you would have to get the upgrades though. Hopefully, the lurkers would delay the terran long enough to get this army.

Should be a huge WTF moment for the T when he sees that army.

goswser

United States3548 Posts

January 06 2010 03:11 GMT

#216

add in a few queens whenever you go hive tech normally!

KwarK

United States44387 Posts

January 06 2010 03:21 GMT

#217

Mine out their mineral only on Destination then destroy the nexus/hatchery/command center and kill all the workers. Leave them confused.

dangots0ul

United States919 Posts

January 06 2010 04:01 GMT

#218

the motherfucken stove

Warrior Madness

Canada3791 Posts

January 06 2010 06:22 GMT

#219

ZvT - Against FE bio build

3 Hatch before pool into lurkers. Focus on controlling the center of the map throughout the entire midgame using a lot of lurks, lings and 6-8 Queens to defend against the first tank push. Delay your hive slightly so you can focus on making a huge midgame army and queens. Take your 4th as soon as defilers come out. Transition to hydra-lurker and always keep your Queen count to at least 6-8.

DoX.)

Singapore6164 Posts

January 06 2010 07:55 GMT

#220

On December 31 2009 12:50 Diminished wrote:
TvP, "Reverse Cheese": Tired of being manner pyloned and gas stolen by those noob cheesy protosses? Turn back the tables! Send your ~7th scv out, find the opponents base, and gas steal them! If that turns out well, then also try to put a manner supply depot into their min line. (This is unlikely to work, so maybe build it in a manner position at nat?)

Obviously will only work at very low levels...

This will prompt the toss to do the much feared computer toss 2 gate zealots