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tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
August 02 2009 18:42 GMT
#41
I guess I'm one of the very few who finds Flash winning OSL at age 15 the most WTF.
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 02 2009 18:49 GMT
#42
Where's Savior's 5 straight MSL finals, 3 victories *in the worst map pool for zergs ever? I'd pick that over Oov's 27-0 win streak. Yeah... that's probably under "Savior's domination".

1) Nada
2) Savior
3) Oov
4) Jaedong
5) Boxer Kespa streak
6) Boxer 2 OSLs in a row
7) Garimto
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
August 02 2009 18:57 GMT
#43
savior got kinda screwed by the poll, but we all know he is awsome anyways so its all good
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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
August 02 2009 18:58 GMT
#44
Nada no doubt.

87 months? that's insane.
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
August 02 2009 19:00 GMT
#45
I'm surprised Flash's achievement is ranked so low. Winning a starleague at that age is just crazy
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-02 19:09:27
August 02 2009 19:07 GMT
#46
I don't there's any question about Nada being number one, 87 months is unbelievable. The sheer longevity of his run, being able to keep it up for that long is out of the realm of talent and into the one of conscious human will. Genius is one part talent, and ten parts will.

I am curious to see how two through last gets ordered.



EDIT: really good topic, btw.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
iCCup.Trent
Profile Joined May 2005
Argentina451 Posts
August 02 2009 19:08 GMT
#47
OK, I'm an asshole, I didn't see Nada's thing and voted Savior's dominance...please if someone is reluctant to vote do a Nada vote for me!
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-02 19:19:10
August 02 2009 19:16 GMT
#48
Oovs 27-0 should be his entire era of dominance instead, because that was even more impressive than just the TvZ run (that alone is worthy a #1 spot imo)

People are talking about how its "only" a win streak, but during this streak Oov destroyed everyone in all matchups in his path winning 3 MSLs in a row and an OSL and dominated the scene for a year harder than anyone else ever did, even savior.

edit : + hes the definition of clutch winning every Starleague final he ever entered, and he made the biggest impact of how the game was played and still is played today.
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A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
August 02 2009 19:24 GMT
#49
On August 03 2009 04:16 Oystein wrote:
Oovs 27-0 should be his entire era of dominance instead, because that was even more impressive than just the TvZ run (that alone is worthy a #1 spot imo)

People are talking about how its "only" a win streak, but during this streak Oov destroyed everyone in all matchups in his path winning 3 MSLs in a row and an OSL and dominated the scene for a year harder than anyone else ever did, even savior.

edit : + hes the definition of clutch winning every Starleague final he ever entered, and he made the biggest impact of how the game was played and still is played today.

this is a really good point. oov's macro style showed how you didn't need exceptional micro if you had 1.5 times the amount of units of your opponents, and could constantly reinforce battles.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
August 02 2009 19:26 GMT
#50
On August 03 2009 03:40 Megalisk wrote:
Obviously perfectman.


Hahah yes, I'll support that but since he's fairly new.... I'll go NaDa!!!! You just can't hate this guy, and man, he was a beast and still is (his arm muscles!)!!! What a wonder! ^_^
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Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
August 02 2009 19:26 GMT
#51
Definitely either Nada or Oov. Nada's continued high-level of play will never cease to amaze me. It seems as if he's finally winding down, but damn, he proved that you can hang in there for long haul.

Oov's 27-0 is absolutely insane though, especially how out of control it was to do such a thing at the time.
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ActualSteve
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States627 Posts
August 02 2009 19:58 GMT
#52
NaDa.
87 Months.

Wow. Talk about a veteran.
You are now breathing manually.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9107 Posts
August 02 2009 20:16 GMT
#53
I never knew GoRush has a 16-0 streak. That's pretty sick.
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
August 02 2009 20:30 GMT
#54
27-0, but i also think winning a game at age 13 is very impressive.
hi
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
August 02 2009 20:32 GMT
#55
best's pvp streak is better than iloveoov's tvz streak

but nada's ranking streak blows both of them away
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Sosha
Profile Joined August 2004
United States749 Posts
August 02 2009 20:34 GMT
#56
On August 03 2009 02:04 heyoka wrote:
I voted Garimto because no one is giving him any love. I can't be the only one who thinks being the only person of his race to get 2 osls is insane.

Very nice list!


what about a Bisu option?
He's the only Protoss to have acheived what he's done..
like 3 MSL's, 2 GOM's I think.. Highest ELO rating of Protoss users.. and he even had his hand at 'dethroning' one of the "wonders" of SC in Savior @ the end of his reign.
I <3'd GARIMTO too when I seen him, watched the finals of him and boxer back in like 2001, but c'mon.. Bisu is hands down the most accomplished Protoss..

shoulda been a Bisu option ^ ^

A lot of those options are really magnificent though:
Oovs 27-0 TvZ
Nadas 83 month streak in top 30..
Saviors dominance..
Boxers dominance..
Best coming out of nowhere to win 17-0 PvP's.. in a time of Stork, Jangbi, Bisu and Kal..

The 2 age records for Flash and baby aren't that impressive.. its standard knowledge that younger players have more potential, and stamina to succeed and are powered towards stardom.. so naturally they try a bit harder and prolly have more time to practice.. cept for other actual progamers that's been in the field for some time and been practicing like 14 hours a day O_o

gL
Tranquility through fluid Motion. GlowBabyGlow.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
August 02 2009 20:52 GMT
#57
On August 03 2009 05:32 Liquid`NonY wrote:
best's pvp streak is better than iloveoov's tvz streak

but nada's ranking streak blows both of them away


i'll throw down a few reasons for my first statement:
--the era of best's streak was harder and more competitive than the era of oov's streak
--tvz favors terran. it did before oov came along, while oov was there, and it still does even after the eras of july, savior and jaedong. pvp is balanced
--oov had boxer helping him. bisu's pvp tutelage doesn't match boxer's tvz tutelage

oov's success had to do with his new style and general strategy. it was a one-time genius that he played out for as long as he could. it's better to think of his streak in terms of how long it took opposing players to figure out how to win. if july didnt exist, the streak would probably be even longer, but oov's act is still the same. he would just be lucky enough to live in a world where his act got him even further.

best, on the other hand, was playing against some great protoss players and he was beating them without any advantage other than on-the-spot decisions and composure. his macro superiority doesnt kick in until each player has 3+ bases. and even then, he might not be superior, since the protoss players of his streak's era were all capable of great macro. and the most amazing thing about it is that coaches and players were choosing to do percentage builds against best while best was usually just doing a very safe build so that he could survive for 8 minutes and work the mid game. he kept his streak alive by winning games from a disadvantaged position because he would not leave his games to chance. he just simply outplayed people in an era when that is nearly impossible to do for very long and in a matchup when outplaying someone often isnt enough.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 02 2009 20:57 GMT
#58
Yep, Best's is the most impressive to me. Nada might have been more impressive had I been around when he was doing well.
Simple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States801 Posts
August 02 2009 21:00 GMT
#59
players rise and fall, the proscene sees several short eras of terran, zerg, or protoss dominance, but the only person to remain strong and consistent for 7+ years deserves recognition
nK)Duke
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany936 Posts
August 03 2009 18:19 GMT
#60
Leg's toona sg allkill
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