On August 26 2017 02:03 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 21:49 danielias wrote:On August 25 2017 14:24 Letmelose wrote:On August 25 2017 13:42 danielias wrote:
Can someone add Flash stats?
If it is the top spots you are interested in, Jaedong's points in November 2009 has the highest discrepancy between itself, and the points of the next highest player on the rankings (Bisu). Flash's points in November 2010 has the highest discrepancy between itself, and the points of the third highest player on the rankings (FanTaSy).
When Jaedong was in his prime, there was a severe shortage of players who were truly great in both the individual leagues, and the ProLeague, both of which were vital in terms of getting a good placement in the KeSPA rankings. There was nobody who was consistently challenging him for the top spot across all platforms.
In 2010, despite Flash having a better much performance than Jaedong did in 2009, the fact that Jaedong was reaching all those finals, while
also being the second best performing player in the ProLeague, made Jaedong the only player in history to have over 3000 points in the KeSPA rankings and not be ranked first in the standings. It is easier to tell how further ahead Flash was ahead of everyone else by checking the difference between him, and the third highest ranked player on the KeSPA rankings at the time.
Thanks for the info.
What do you think about savior stats?
The comparison is less straight forward if you include sAviOr into the conversation. Jaedong and Flash had both their career peaks under
very similar set of circumstances, and the way KeSPA allocated points was basically the same in 2009, and 2010, unless I am mistaken.
However, sAviOr reigned supreme during in era where ProLeague schedule was not as extensive, and KeSPA had a different formula for allocating their points. As far as I know, the reason why sAviOr failed to secure the number one spot in December 2006, despite having
excellent performances in the ProLeague, and the MSL, was because KeSPA used reward more points for winning the OGN StarLeague, than for winning the MSL (I think their reasoning was because OGN StarLeague had a bigger overall prize pool back then).
I think KeSPA rankings had the decay system for quite some time, where results that's over a year old are no longer counted. So let's compare their results by a time frame of one year's worth of competition.
The ProLeague schedule was vastly different for a player competing in 2006, and a player competing in 2009. For example. Jaedong was the best performing ProLeague player with 17 ProLeague victories (sAviOr was the second best with 16 ProLeague victories) for the 2006 season, however, that performance would
barely make the top 40, in the more recent 2008/2009, or 2009/2010 seasons. It simply is not a fair comparison.
The only thing that's consistent is that sAviOr, Jaedong, and Flash
all competed in six individual leagues that took place over a year long period, half of them being the OGN StarLeague, and half of them being the MSL. Let's ignore the fact that during sAviOr's era, MSL had a smaller overall prize pool than the OGN StarLeague.
sAviOr: 3 championships out of 6 participations
Shinhan OGN StarLeague S1: Eliminated in the offline qualifiers
Pringles MSL S1: 1st
Shinhan OGN StarLeague S2: Eliminated in the offline qualifiers
Pringles MSL S2: 1st
Shinhan OGN StarLeague S3: 1st
GomTV MSL S1: 2nd
Jaedong: 3 championships out of 6 participations
Lost Saga MSL: Round of 32
Batoo OGN StarLeague: 1st
Bacchus 2009 OGN StarLeague: 1st
Avalon MSL: Round of 4
EVER 2009 OGN StarLeague: Round of 8
NATE MSL: 1st
Flash: 4 championships out of 6 participations
EVER 2009 OGN StarLeague: 1st
NATE MSL: 2nd
Korean Air OGN StarLeague: 2nd
Hana Daetoo MSL: 1st
Big File MSL: 1st
Korean Air OGN StarLeague: 2nd
What Flash achieved during his peak is objectively superior to what both sAviOr and Jaedong achieved within the same space of time. There is a reason why Jaedong stayed around 3,000 points during his peak, while Flash stayed around 4,000 points during his. The only reason why Jaedong had a large difference between himself, and the second best player on the KeSPA rankings, isn't because Jaedong peak was more impressive than Flash's peak, it was because Jaedong was a much more competent supporting cast to Flash's tales of glory, than Bisu was for Jaedong's.
In the same vein, the huge difference in the number of points sAviOr had compared to Iris, who was the the third highest ranked player in March 2007, can be attributed partly to sAviOr's excellence, and partly because the third best player at the time in terms of KeSPA ranking points simply wasn't all that impressive compared to some of the other third ranked players over the years.
Take a look at these hypothetical situations, for example:
There are 6 tournaments. You get 10 points for winning, and 5 points for placing second.
Situation 1
Tournament 1: Player A beats Player B
Tournament 2: Player A beats Player B
Tournament 3: Player A beats Player B
Tournament 4: Player A beats Player B
Tournament 5: Player A beats Player B
Tournament 6: Player A beats Player B
Player A has 60 points, Player B has 30 points. Player A has 100% more points than the second best player.
Situation 2
Tournament 1: Player A beats Player C
Tournament 2: Player A beats Player D
Tournament 3: Player E beats Player A
Tournament 4: Player F beats Player G
Tournament 5: Player H beats Player I
Tournament 6: Player J beats Player K
Player A has 25 points, Player E has 10 points. Player A has 150% more points than the second best player.
I would personally say that Player A has done
way better in Situation 1, but by the virtue of everybody else sucking so much and being one hit wonders, Player A actually has 150% more points than the second best player despite only winning two tournaments, instead of winning them all.
EPT
