Savior interviews always make me both happy and sad. It's always nice to hear from the Maestro himself, a truly unique player who singlehandedly defined the "transition era" of SC from the Terran bonjwa days to the current "everyone is so good now" days.

On the other hand, it's sad in part because by now, most of TL sees him as this "old" player who just isn't that good anymore, and while they look at Boxer/Oov/Nada with this sort of distant "you are a legend" admiration, with Savior it seems like more of a "I hear you are a legend but I see you as a has-been". For whatever reason, even though both Nada and Savior have been mediocre pros but still definitely relevant players for the past two years, Nada is looked at as "old amazing Nada" (which is fitting) while Savior is looked at much more negatively.

I guess with Nada people were willing to let go and thus his fans never got nearly as obnoxious as us Savior fans, who all know logically that he'll never win another league and most likely won't ever be a top 15 player again, but still find it so so hard to admit.

Sometimes I just want all of TL to sit back for a second and appreciate the Maestro. Current fans of Jaedong/Bisu/Flash/Fantasy/Stork/etc., when your favorite player plays, you are convinced he will win. But say the map is kind of tough, or the opponent has been doing really well lately, or it's another superstar - you have to admit that deep down you have a bit of doubt, which is only rational. And certainly fans of your favorite player's opponent can think of reasons they will win, and they will believe them too.

Now understand this ... for a significant period of time, when Savior played, there was NO doubt, NONE ever. Not just by Savior fans, but by his opponent's fans. People came up with reasons Savior could lose of course, but it was just different - they didn't really even believe themselves and what they were saying. They just wanted to support their favorite player. Deep down everyone knew, Savior was going to win.

You've heard Tasteless and Artosis say it on streams, you've heard other people say it here. When Savior was bonjwa, we all thought he would never lose. Never, ever, ever. Not just now. Ever. And if you started following SC in March of 2007 or later, then you've barely at any point experienced a taste of a fraction of what it is like for the pro scene to feel like that. Nowadays, sometimes a player briefly plays in a way that makes you think they'll definitely win any game they play today, tomorrow, and maybe next week. But we're all sure that in a month or two, losses will happen, and the cycle will continue.

With Savior ... I really truly thought ... that he'd never lose again.

nonduc

Russian Federation405 Posts

July 29 2009 12:13 GMT

#46

sAviOr’s invincibilities in "bonjwa’s" times? He-he…

Some statistics on sAviOr’s peformance and Jaedong’s peformance in 2006 and 2007 Seasons respective.

sAviOr’s Season 2006:
Total — 145 games 103 wins 42 losses (71.03%)
vs T — 67 games 44 wins 23 losses (65.67%)
vs P — 38 games 29 wins 9 losses (76.32%)
vs Z — 40 games 30 wins 10 losses (75.00%)

Jaedong’s 2007 Season:
Total — 144 games 104 wins 40 losses (72.22%)
vs T — 68 games 49 wins 19 losses (72.06%)
vs P — 45 games 30 wins 15 losses (66.67%)
vs Z — 31 games 25 wins 6 losses (80.65%)

foeffa

Belgium2115 Posts

July 29 2009 12:15 GMT

#47

I love these interviews.

Great translation, great content and with a veritable SC hero.

niteReloaded

Croatia5282 Posts

July 29 2009 12:23 GMT

#48

On July 29 2009 12:27 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
This was freaking AWESOME! I love Mae Jae.

Ma is his last name, Jae Yoon is his first.

Aus)MaCrO

Australia349 Posts

July 29 2009 12:31 GMT

#49

On July 29 2009 21:13 nonduc wrote:
sAviOr’s invincibilities in "bonjwa’s" times? He-he…

Some statistics on sAviOr’s peformance and Jaedong’s peformance in 2006 and 2007 Seasons respective.

sAviOr’s Season 2006:
Total — 145 games 103 wins 42 losses (71.03%)
vs T — 67 games 44 wins 23 losses (65.67%)
vs P — 38 games 29 wins 9 losses (76.32%)
vs Z — 40 games 30 wins 10 losses (75.00%)

Jaedong’s 2007 Season:
Total — 144 games 104 wins 40 losses (72.22%)
vs T — 68 games 49 wins 19 losses (72.06%)
vs P — 45 games 30 wins 15 losses (66.67%)
vs Z — 31 games 25 wins 6 losses (80.65%)

What is the saying...there are lies, damn lies and statistics?

nonduc

Russian Federation405 Posts

July 29 2009 12:38 GMT

#50

On July 29 2009 21:31 jpunshon wrote:

What is the saying...there are lies, damn lies and statistics?

No, no! That is not an exercise in statistics but only the example of comparatibilities of best seasons of top players.

nttea

Sweden4353 Posts

July 29 2009 13:05 GMT

#51

The reason i still see savior as a has-been and not a legend is that none of the horde of obnoxious savior fans would shut up about how he was going to destroy everyone. But just give him a year or two more, if he's still in the game competing then ill guess he will be a nada and if he retires he will be an oov. But good things come to those who wait and for me he's just a slumping once-were-good right now.

Ver

United States2186 Posts

July 29 2009 13:23 GMT

#52

lol it's not comparable at all. It's an example of how you can twist stats to suit your purposes.

Jaedong faced a host of crappy players while Savior went up against a far higher portion of top players because he kept advancing deep in starleagues (all modern players have inflated ELOs/records because they face so many weaker players due to mass proleague).

In addition those statistics are heavily inflated because they include a ton of qualification games which again were Jaedong bashing D-level progamers in the qualifying rounds because he wasn't in any starleagues.

Savior was invincible because the only two times he ever lost a series as a Bonjwa in a starleague (out of 25 odd series played) was against Chojja in the Cyon MSL. Jaedong, Bisu, Flash, etc, cannot even come close to this.

Spanxxx

United States408 Posts

July 29 2009 13:25 GMT

#53

"These days, SkyHigh is really a handful. On TV he manages to put on a stoic facade, but that couldn't be further from the truth. You have no idea how insolent that kid is."

lmfao XD

Camlito

Australia4040 Posts

July 29 2009 13:35 GMT

#54

On July 29 2009 22:05 nttea wrote:
The reason i still see savior as a has-been and not a legend is that none of the horde of obnoxious savior fans would shut up about how he was going to destroy everyone. But just give him a year or two more, if he's still in the game competing then ill guess he will be a nada and if he retires he will be an oov. But good things come to those who wait and for me he's just a slumping once-were-good right now.

Every fan base has annoying fans, and shouting 1 line over and over with no malicious intent shouldn't tarnish a legend

(Actually, some of the intent is malicious... as a joke :D).

Oh well. Thanks for the translations!

AlwaysGG

Taiwan952 Posts

July 29 2009 13:40 GMT

#55

yay savior

Highways

Australia6124 Posts

July 29 2009 13:45 GMT

#56

On July 29 2009 12:07 Waxangel wrote:
Savior: It's very hard to have an aura of invincibility against Terran.

So True
Even when sAviOr was in his prime he never had a aura of invincibility against Terran.
If you looked at the bo5 series, it was a big struggle.

sAviOr 3 - 2 Midas (Midas totally blew game 4)
sAviOr 3 - 2 Hwasin
sAviOr 3 - 2 Iris (Iris totally blew game 5)

fusionsdf

Canada15390 Posts

July 29 2009 13:49 GMT

#57

those stats are misleading. Honestly if you were there for both periods you would realize the difference. He's not exaggerating, you really didnt expect anyone to win against savior, it didn't matter who they were or what they did.