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Russian Federation405 Posts
On July 29 2009 22:23 Ver wrote:
lol it's not comparable at all. It's an example of how you can twist stats to suit your purposes.
Jaedong faced a host of crappy players while Savior went up against a far higher portion of top players because he kept advancing deep in starleagues (all modern players have inflated ELOs/records because they face so many weaker players due to mass proleague).
In addition those statistics are heavily inflated because they include a ton of qualification games which again were Jaedong bashing D-level progamers in the qualifying rounds because he wasn't in any starleagues.
Savior was invincible because the only two times he ever lost a series as a Bonjwa in a starleague (out of 25 odd series played) was against Chojja in the Cyon MSL. Jaedong, Bisu, Flash, etc, cannot even come close to this. LOL
…"Jaedong faced a host of crappy players"… in Finals of EVER 2007 OSL and GOMTV S4 MSL…
LOL
Jaedong’s H2H in Season 2007 — vs Stork (10: 5–5), vs Flash (8: 4–4), vs Light (5: 3–2), vs Jangbi (5: 4–1), vs Kal (5: 4–1), etc.
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Braavos36401 Posts
On July 29 2009 23:01 Crunchums wrote:Has anyone translated Leta's interview? If so, link?
pretty sure there haven't been translations of these before, not sure how many more wax will do
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On July 29 2009 23:10 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 23:01 Crunchums wrote:In one of our previous interviews with Leta and UpMagic, Has anyone translated Leta's interview? If so, link? pretty sure there haven't been translations of these before, not sure how many more wax will do
Is there a reason why only he can translate these interviews?
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Hehe sAviOr is great. Thanks for the translation it was an enjoyable read.
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Thank you. This interview was an awesome read!
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Sweden33719 Posts
On July 29 2009 12:50 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 12:37 qrs wrote:
Great interview: so much better than the standard Q &A. Great translation as well; thank you very much for doing it.
One small nitpick: "respective" should be "respectful".
PS- Is it possible that you could translate any more of this series (esp. Jaedong)? That would be really awesome. how did you miss this frozenarbiter, my trusted editor 
If by meticulously you mean "10 minutes before going to bed" then yes ;p
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I don't get why CJ doesn't play Savior. His vsP is better than any other Z's besides effort's, and better than both of the Protoss's. He just needs to avoid zvz and he can beat some nooby Terrans as well. :/
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On July 30 2009 00:18 Shikyo wrote:
I don't get why CJ doesn't play Savior. His vsP is better than any other Z's besides effort's, and better than both of the Protoss's. He just needs to avoid zvz and he can beat some nooby Terrans as well. :/
I wonder if they are saving him for the final? Maybe he has some special build hes preparing to snipe with? Either that or CJ just doesnt trust him enough to play.
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very good read. I always like those interviews.Keep it up 
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Belgium9950 Posts
These interviews own the Fomos ones. I hope you can keep it up.
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On July 29 2009 13:20 sudo.era wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 12:24 crazie-penguin wrote:On July 29 2009 12:22 Kentor wrote:
<3 interview
is jaedong a paradigm shifter? I thought he was the one that modernized today's ZvP 5 hatch/"sauron" play, or at least popularized it. July is the original 'sauron zerg', though he built off of Savior. He still has ZvP rivaling Jaedong's, I think. Honestly, I don't think there are many (if any more) chances to pull off a paradigm shift. The metagame's all but perfected, and SC2 is coming out very soon. I'm a little scared for the progamers' futures - especially up-and-coming rookies.
lmao at july being the "original sauron zerg".
The original sauron zerg was a zerg that used the id sauron
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On July 29 2009 23:07 nonduc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 22:23 Ver wrote:
lol it's not comparable at all. It's an example of how you can twist stats to suit your purposes.
Jaedong faced a host of crappy players while Savior went up against a far higher portion of top players because he kept advancing deep in starleagues (all modern players have inflated ELOs/records because they face so many weaker players due to mass proleague).
In addition those statistics are heavily inflated because they include a ton of qualification games which again were Jaedong bashing D-level progamers in the qualifying rounds because he wasn't in any starleagues.
Savior was invincible because the only two times he ever lost a series as a Bonjwa in a starleague (out of 25 odd series played) was against Chojja in the Cyon MSL. Jaedong, Bisu, Flash, etc, cannot even come close to this. LOL …"Jaedong faced a host of crappy players"… in Finals of EVER 2007 OSL and GOMTV S4 MSL… LOL Jaedong’s H2H in Season 2007 — vs Stork ( 10: 5–5), vs Flash ( 8: 4–4), vs Light ( 5: 3–2), vs Jangbi ( 5: 4–1), vs Kal ( 5: 4–1), etc.
Nice, keep throwing stats out there, that's great.
The best part is, 5-5 vs Stork, 4-4 vs Flash, 3-2 vs freaking Light ("rising" Terran who never did anything), 4-1 vs a crappy Jangbi at the time, 4-1 vs a Kal who just started being good (and even then to this day he has never been consistently good) ISN'T EVEN THAT IMPRESSIVE.
Savior had some strange funkiness with OSL offlines but he made the finals of SIX straight Starleagues that he played in, including five straight MSLs and he won an OSL against a bunch of Terrans on a bunch of heavily TvZ favored maps.
At one point he won what, 24 out of 25 BoX matches in Starleagues or something? Not to mention murdering special events left and right. He at one point or another crushed every potential rival out there and there was no question whatsoever that he was an entire class above every other player. Guys like you are exactly why I say that some people will just never understand what it was really like.
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I wish I had lived when Savior dominated so much. Watching him almost live. I believe that it'd be so wonderful rather than being able to watch his games that were 3 years ago and without knowing the electricity felt during that time.
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Ugh. I like usage of the word "paradigm" better than "metagame".
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United States33651 Posts
On July 30 2009 05:11 Batibot323 wrote:
I wish I had lived when Savior dominated so much. Watching him almost live. I believe that it'd be so wonderful rather than being able to watch his games that were 3 years ago and without knowing the electricity felt during that time.
so you're 2 years old :O?
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Gah, just as good as the Fantasy interview!
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Thanks for the interview~!
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I go back often and watch Savior's run through his Starleagues. Everyone should go watch his games in Shinhan 3 OSL, his control and finesse in the finals against Nada was something that made your eyes tear up.
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On July 30 2009 05:11 Batibot323 wrote:
I wish I had lived when Savior dominated so much. Watching him almost live. I believe that it'd be so wonderful rather than being able to watch his games that were 3 years ago and without knowing the electricity felt during that time.
yeah. The videos just can't capture all of it. That's why I think its so easy for people who didnt watch it as it happened to think that it was like the situation we have with jaedong/flash/bisu
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On July 30 2009 05:11 Batibot323 wrote:
I wish I had lived when Savior dominated so much. Watching him almost live. I believe that it'd be so wonderful rather than being able to watch his games that were 3 years ago and without knowing the electricity felt during that time. iris vs savior shin han 3 semifinals match 5. You might be able to catch a glimpse of the glory that was Savior's reign .
And I hate Jaedong. Why? His elo is only strong because like all players he gets a shitload of opportunities to play games against scrubs in PL. He looks like hes the most dominant zerg in history because of the elo but hes not even close. Hes consistent, and hes consistently good, but he has absolutely no ground to stand on compared to savior's dominance. But modern Jaedong fan boys dont know that, and they think hes the best zerg there ever was? Its disgusting. I hate Jaedong because his fans play him up to be best zerg ever, which makes him a usurper. While in reality, both Jaedong and all other pro gamers know, he doesn't really deserve the honour of even that. :\
Edit: Flash pisses me off for the same reason
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