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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
March 18 2009 03:29 GMT
#1


5:08-6:01

Artosis talks about a game between Luxury and Jaedong saying it was the best ZvZ he's ever seen. However in the context he talks about it, the match appears to be a practice game not a televised one.

Then at the end he says it's better than July's game on Guillotine.

I've already seen the Pimpest Play ZvZ between foreigners that went into late game as well as long ZvZ between Korean progamers like Yellow vs GGplay so not interested in those anymore. So I'm wondering how you would find these two greatest ZvZ matches as quoted by Artosis?

I have no idea about the practice game between Luxury and Jaedong.

As for the July game, July has had two ZvZs on Guillotine that are on the TLPD.

(Desert) Guillotine (Z)YellOw

(Desert) Neo Guillotine (Z)SaferZerg

however none of these are on youtube and no idea where to get the replays or anything for them. I did a basic search of the Vod archive on TL (not really familiar with it) and there was no Vods for July vs SaferZerg or July vs Yellow on Guillotine.
candlejackisgonn
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States159 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-18 03:51:30
March 18 2009 03:51 GMT
#2
Well since that video was posted in February of this year, and he usually talks about recent events, with those two facts presented we can assume that the game was played in February of this year. Now the game was between Jaedong and Luxury. With this added, the game was played between Jaedong and Luxury in February of the year 2009. The only possible answer would be to search either Jaedong or Luxury in the TLPD and search for a match the players played against each other in February of 2009. Which brings us to this.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/11150_Jaedong_vs_Luxury/vod
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
March 18 2009 03:54 GMT
#3
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The fact that Luxury won with only one gas compared to JD's two is pretty cool but those other 1 hour pimpest play zvz games where they make hydras, lurkers, and everything else is the best
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-18 04:09:54
March 18 2009 04:08 GMT
#4
Thx for pointing out which game it was for Jaedong vs Luxury, and yes it was a good game. but il0seonpurpose you should watch the game again. You got the winner and loser mixed up.

Still looking for the July game though.
cunninglinguists
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States925 Posts
March 18 2009 04:14 GMT
#5
another very good zvz that i watched was zero vs jaedong (their second game). i know for a fact that that's online so maybe you can sate your appetite by checking that game out first.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
March 18 2009 04:16 GMT
#6
On March 18 2009 13:08 BlackMagister wrote:
Thx for pointing out which game it was for Jaedong vs Luxury, and yes it was a good game. but il0seonpurpose you should watch the game again. You got the winner and loser mixed up.

Still looking for the July game though.



Oh ok thanks
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
March 18 2009 05:21 GMT
#7
On March 18 2009 12:54 il0seonpurpose wrote:
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The fact that Luxury won with only one gas compared to JD's two is pretty cool but those other 1 hour pimpest play zvz games where they make hydras, lurkers, and everything else is the best

Uhhh, + Show Spoiler +
Luxury didn't win.
GANDHISAUCE
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-18 05:37:19
March 18 2009 05:36 GMT
#8
Yeah it was a sick zvz.

+ Show Spoiler +
It shows why JD is near-unbeatable in zvz and how he's able to have 80% winrate is mu, that is/was considered a bit random.
AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
March 18 2009 06:01 GMT
#9
ggplay vs savior plz on arka plz..
Translator
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
March 18 2009 06:20 GMT
#10
loved zero vs odin back in 2008 or smth.
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
March 18 2009 06:48 GMT
#11
I've written blogs (including links to VODs) about a couple ZvZ games that I thought were good.

Jaedong vs Oversky

Jaedong vs Luxury bo3
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
March 18 2009 07:17 GMT
#12
all jaedong vs oversky games are really top notch
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
March 18 2009 07:23 GMT
#13
I wish there was something they could do with the maps to allow for ZvZ matches to sometimes make it into the late game.
Allow me to reintroduce myself...
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 18 2009 07:24 GMT
#14
On March 18 2009 16:17 disciple wrote:
all jaedong vs oversky games are really top notch

I came in here just to say that. Two of my favourite ZvZ games are Jaedong vs. Oversky on Andromeda, and Jaedong vs. Luxury on Andromeda at WCG Korea.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
March 18 2009 07:24 GMT
#15
jaedong vs zero

if you saw it, you know it was better than those 1 hour "epics."
ModeratorGood content always wins.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
March 18 2009 07:30 GMT
#16
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/5437_July_vs_YellOw/vod

have fun
Moderator<:3-/-<
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
March 18 2009 08:07 GMT
#17
On March 18 2009 16:30 IntoTheWow wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/5437_July_vs_YellOw/vod

have fun

wow i just watched it. nothing happens till last 30 second.
this is what happens with no harass at all.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
March 18 2009 08:53 GMT
#18
On March 18 2009 16:30 IntoTheWow wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/5437_July_vs_YellOw/vod

have fun

Congratulations on finding the most boring game of Starcraft ever played.
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
March 18 2009 10:00 GMT
#19
Links to the one hour ZvZs?
< TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #46 > I came for the Brood War, I stayed for the people.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6183 Posts
March 18 2009 10:39 GMT
#20
any ZvZ which involve mass devouror (gg spelling), guard, hydra and defiler is win
n_n
barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-18 11:15:16
March 18 2009 11:13 GMT
#21
On March 18 2009 19:00 Spenguin wrote:
Links to the one hour ZvZs?


It was GGplay vs YellOw and Xiaozi vs Satanik
"Somebody you are talking to disappears mid sentence, and the universe shoots you because you talked to someone that wasn`t there." - MasterOfChaos
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
March 18 2009 11:27 GMT
#22
On March 18 2009 17:53 Mastermind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2009 16:30 IntoTheWow wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/5437_July_vs_YellOw/vod

have fun

Congratulations on finding the most boring game of Starcraft ever played.

indeed, that was ridiculous. Only good thing about watching it was (since I am pretty new watching progaming) seeing how they desperately tried to stack mutas by targeting minerals/own buildings.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-18 11:39:18
March 18 2009 11:38 GMT
#23
Mondragon vs Julyzerg on LT (9h vs 6h): (at WGT ladder)
Mondragon does a slow overlord drop with zerglings and wins.
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
March 18 2009 11:48 GMT
#24
GGPlay vs Yellow during the Group stage of So1 OSL. (on...... R-Point, I think)

I feel old
returns upon momentous occasions.
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
March 18 2009 11:58 GMT
#25
On March 18 2009 20:48 HonestTea wrote:
GGPlay vs Yellow during the Group stage of So1 OSL. (on...... R-Point, I think)

I feel old


815
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
kefkalives
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Australia1272 Posts
March 18 2009 12:12 GMT
#26
On March 18 2009 20:38 Maenander wrote:
Mondragon vs Julyzerg on LT (9h vs 6h): (at WGT ladder)
Mondragon does a slow overlord drop with zerglings and wins.



Replays plz!
prOxi.bOn ; \\ What makes most people feel happy/Leads us headlong into harm.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
March 18 2009 12:21 GMT
#27
Uhhh...there was this one game...Shinhwa vs Yellow I think...

One guy goes mass hydra for sunken break, then the other guy goes hold lurks then kills a LOT of hydras.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 18 2009 13:00 GMT
#28
On March 18 2009 21:21 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:
Uhhh...there was this one game...Shinhwa vs Yellow I think...

One guy goes mass hydra for sunken break, then the other guy goes hold lurks then kills a LOT of hydras.


This happens in GGPlay vs YellOw on 815, maybe that's what you're thinking of?

It's not really a sunken break though, it happens relatively lategame.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 18 2009 15:00 GMT
#29
On March 18 2009 20:38 Maenander wrote:
Mondragon vs Julyzerg on LT (9h vs 6h): (at WGT ladder)
Mondragon does a slow overlord drop with zerglings and wins.

Hahahah, what?
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-18 16:51:23
March 18 2009 16:48 GMT
#30
On March 18 2009 20:13 barth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2009 19:00 Spenguin wrote:
Links to the one hour ZvZs?


It was GGplay vs YellOw and Xiaozi vs Satanik


Well if you guys really wanted to watch those matches they're on youtube commented by Cholera

Videos in the spoilers
+ Show Spoiler +

GGplay vs Yellow


Xiaozi vs Satanik[/



Anyways I just made this thread because as a fan of pro SC I want to see all the "WTF" matches, the most entertaining ones and the highest skilled matches. So if someone really familiar with the pro SC community says they just saw the "best ? vs ? match ever!" than I want to watch it. I'll look at those other suggestions, some I might have already seen, but if they're good it doesn't hurt to watch them again.

Expect for apparently that one match linked to from IntoTheWow
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22211 Posts
March 18 2009 17:00 GMT
#31
Thanks for posting these guys!
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
March 18 2009 17:35 GMT
#32
On March 19 2009 01:48 BlackMagister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2009 20:13 barth wrote:
On March 18 2009 19:00 Spenguin wrote:
Links to the one hour ZvZs?


It was GGplay vs YellOw and Xiaozi vs Satanik


Well if you guys really wanted to watch those matches they're on youtube commented by Cholera

Videos in the spoilers
+ Show Spoiler +

GGplay vs Yellow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN2g7yGgTMY

Xiaozi vs Satanik[/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ORO6TOvQ7s&feature=PlayList&p=499D5FD4B03E4121&index=1


Anyways I just made this thread because as a fan of pro SC I want to see all the "WTF" matches, the most entertaining ones and the highest skilled matches. So if someone really familiar with the pro SC community says they just saw the "best ? vs ? match ever!" than I want to watch it. I'll look at those other suggestions, some I might have already seen, but if they're good it doesn't hurt to watch them again.

Expect for apparently that one match linked to from IntoTheWow


if you havn't watched sAviOr vs Iris on Neo Araknoid - its frequently named among the best ZvT/TvZ ever and by many (including myself) to be the best game ever.

Jaedong vs Flash on Loki II is also extremely awesome, as well as Flash vs Bisu on Katrina

Reach vs Sea on Hitchhiker is probably the most exciting TvP/PvT I've ever watched.
Writerman what
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-18 22:36:25
March 18 2009 22:33 GMT
#33
On March 19 2009 01:48 BlackMagister wrote:

Anyways I just made this thread because as a fan of pro SC I want to see all the "WTF" matches, the most entertaining ones and the highest skilled matches. So if someone really familiar with the pro SC community says they just saw the "best ? vs ? match ever!" than I want to watch it. I'll look at those other suggestions, some I might have already seen, but if they're good it doesn't hurt to watch them again.

Expect for apparently that one match linked to from IntoTheWow


If you're looking for great games in general, not just ZvZ, I'd also suggest Jaedong vs Lomo on Katrina from GomClassic season 1.

edit: and boxer vs oov on (Neo?) Requiem. Don't have a link for that one though.

edit2: and of course there are many more others could suggest.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 18 2009 22:38 GMT
#34
Jaedong vs Bisu on Blue Storm is still my favourite ZvP game.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
March 18 2009 22:49 GMT
#35
On March 19 2009 07:38 koreasilver wrote:
Jaedong vs Bisu on Blue Storm is still my favourite ZvP game.

Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-18 22:52:21
March 18 2009 22:51 GMT
#36
I'd also like to recommend July vs Best EVER OSL finals:

+ Show Spoiler +

Game 1
VOD
+ Show Spoiler +

Game 2
VOD
+ Show Spoiler +

Game 3
VOD
+ Show Spoiler +

July's my favorite player though, so I might overestimate them. Pretty good though IMO.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
March 18 2009 23:05 GMT
#37
On March 18 2009 20:27 Zinbiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2009 17:53 Mastermind wrote:
On March 18 2009 16:30 IntoTheWow wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/5437_July_vs_YellOw/vod

have fun

Congratulations on finding the most boring game of Starcraft ever played.

indeed, that was ridiculous. Only good thing about watching it was (since I am pretty new watching progaming) seeing how they desperately tried to stack mutas by targeting minerals/own buildings.


Pfft, I liked it.

Well, mainly because it's my two favorite players of all time going at it, but still!
TranslatorBaa!
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 19 2009 00:29 GMT
#38
Well, if you like to watch players just mass mutas for 20 minutes, then I suppose it can be entertaining.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
March 19 2009 01:30 GMT
#39
On March 19 2009 07:38 koreasilver wrote:
Jaedong vs Bisu on Blue Storm is still my favourite ZvP game.


That game was ridiculous. Proves that Jaedong doesn't need drones to win ZvP versus the Zerg Killer.
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
March 19 2009 14:20 GMT
#40
I actually think this Jaedong vs Lux game was probably third on the best modern day ZvZ list. I'd like to say all-time, but ZvZ in the past with maps like Desert Fox and 815... just had a slightly different feel to it, which makes it hard to judge. Less technical, but maybe a bit more 'interesting' at times. Anyhow, my top two, in no particular order because I cannot decide which is best:

JD vs ZerO:


JD vs Oversky:



In any case, Jaedong makes ZvZ worth watching.
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