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Telephone interview with ForGG:
“I have some regrets, but I’m very happy to join KTF.”
You changed teams to KTF.
-When I first heard it, I was going to reject it. But then after hearing KTF talk about the specifics and learning that they’ve had their eye on me for a few months, I considered a bit and decided that changing teams is, for me, a very good choice, so…
Thoughts on joining KTF?
-KTF is a very famous team, I’m very glad to be able to join, but I’m also kind of sad when thinking about the past 3 years that I’ve spent with Oz…
Did you talk to any of your former teammates about this after the news came out?
-Right after Fomos posted the news, I got some phone calls from my former teammates. They were very surprised, guess they didn’t know…
Thoughts on playing for KTF very soon?
-I’m in a new environment now, so I’ll make a new beginning. KTF chose me, and to me, KTF is a new team, so I need to get some results.
Thoughts on adjusting to a new team?
-I will work hard to adjust fast. I’m very friendly with Flash, and I’ve known FireFist hyung for a long time now.
Anything to say to the fans?
-I’m sure the fans will be very surprised for this. Overall, I don’t think there will be too many people who’ll be too unhappy about me switching teams. I’ll continue to work hard.
PS Assorted articles have mentioned how ForGG and Oz’s Coach Cho have a strained relationship. Once, Coach Cho said something along the lines of “ForGG needs to perform better…” in an interview, and gave ForGG a warning during practice. After that, ForGG didn’t play much. The last time he played was on February 11th against ACE. Regarding this, fans have asked Coach Cho whether or not there are any issues before, but the coach said that there aren’t any issues, and also said that ForGG will not be transferred to another team…
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Translated from Chinese at http://www.playsc.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=145667&extra=page=1
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Did you talk to any of your former teammates about this after the news came out?
-Right after Fomos posted the news, I got some phone calls from my former teammates. They were very surprised, guess they didn’t know…
LMFAO
ForGG fighting!!!
Personally I'm happy he switched to KTF. Hopefully Flash will teach him how to fix his TvP 
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Thanks a lot mate ! Awesome translation as always
I really think forGG will have a hard time fitting into the new team, it will take some time to say at least. I wish him best of luck no matter where he goes cause he is one of the exciting terrans to watch
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On March 14 2009 07:27 lokiM wrote:
firefish? lolzolzololz
Whatchu talkin' 'bout, fool?
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Thanks for the translation!
But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me.
It seems that there must have been an issue between him and coaches...
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Coach Cho askljhtoqwht. Dammit he makes me angry sometimes. First Anytime now Forgg. Jaedong is probably next if he doesn't perform well -_-
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huh, after he beat coach cho's poster boy Jaedong, I guess I can see how they might have a strained relationship...
well, now we know who pushed forGG down that flight of stairs
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One reason less to like Oz, one reason more to like KTF.
I hope ForGG will perform well in his new team...
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On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me.
In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea.
I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach.
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Darn, now KTF has a player that I like. I may have to start rooting for them.
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United States12607 Posts
Thanks Sheep! You're doing a good job with translations...I wonder what happened to MrHoon? o_O
Interesting note about his troubles with Coach Cho! I guess that might explain why fOrGG hasn't made any WL appearances lately. I think going to KTF was a great move for him, but I don't know whether KTF will get their money's worth (considering they might have bought a Protoss instead).
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On March 14 2009 09:38 JWD wrote:
Thanks Sheep! You're doing a good job with translations...I wonder what happened to MrHoon? o_O
Interesting note about his troubles with Coach Cho! I guess that might explain why fOrGG hasn't made any WL appearances lately. I think going to KTF was a great move for him, but I don't know whether KTF will get their money's worth (considering they might have bought a Protoss instead).
Who could they have bought though?
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Wow, that article makes Coach Cho sound like a dick :O
Maybe living with Flash will help ForGG in his next starleagues :D
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On March 14 2009 09:44 Kinky wrote:
Wow, that article makes Coach Cho sound like a dick :O
Maybe living with Flash will help ForGG in his next starleagues :D
It's starting to sound like ForGG was pretty unhappy at Oz, so maybe this will be best for everyone.
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On March 14 2009 09:38 JWD wrote:
Thanks Sheep! You're doing a good job with translations...I wonder what happened to MrHoon? o_O
Interesting note about his troubles with Coach Cho! I guess that might explain why fOrGG hasn't made any WL appearances lately. I think going to KTF was a great move for him, but I don't know whether KTF will get their money's worth (considering they might have bought a Protoss instead).
Which Protoss could they have bought? There aren't any good ones that aren't attached to rich teams.
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I don't necessarily like forgg, but coach cho makes me sad.
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On March 14 2009 10:26 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2009 09:38 JWD wrote:
Thanks Sheep! You're doing a good job with translations...I wonder what happened to MrHoon? o_O
Interesting note about his troubles with Coach Cho! I guess that might explain why fOrGG hasn't made any WL appearances lately. I think going to KTF was a great move for him, but I don't know whether KTF will get their money's worth (considering they might have bought a Protoss instead). Which Protoss could they have bought? There aren't any good ones that aren't attached to rich teams.
haji brought up this point in the Shine -> KTF thread, and here is my response:
On February 10 2009 05:45 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2009 05:28 thedeadhaji wrote:
Pple clamoring for a Protoss... what Toss worth getting is even remotely available?
CJ - Much/Movie - not a chance
eStro - Sangho/Tester - They wouldn't let go of Sangho, and Tester sucks more than Tempest
Lecaf - none
MBC - actually, come to think of it, they might be able to attract Pusan away considering his past salary troubles. But he's really the soul of the team, it'd be rough considering how attached players are to their teams in general.
Samsung - no one they'd let go of
T1 - like they'd give anyone to their rival.
STX - prolly wont let go of YJ considering their own Toss line is weak.
Wemade - who the hell woudl want rock. Pure is... I'd take Tempest atm
Woongjin - no one they'd let go of
all teams, I can only think of Pusan as even a remote candidate... I think a young Protoss with some untapped talent could do well with KTF...it seems like Horang2, Tazza, and even guys like Bul_T have way more potential than any Protoss on the KTF roster. I mean, let's face it: Shine is a backup player. He'll compete with Hery and SaiR to be KTF's second-best Terran. When you consider that's the role Shine will be playing, you realize that KTF wouldn't have to deal for any top-tier Protoss players to get a more valuable player than Shine. I think the problem boils down to: if KTF was going to deal for an unproven, second-tier player, why didn't they at least try for one in the race that they're most lacking? Another angle to consider is that, while Shine probably won't mature very fast because he'll be competing with Flash for playtime, a young Protoss could really make a splash because he wouldn't have so much competition to get into the lineup.
Though fOrGG is certainly a more valuable acquisition than Shine because he will likely be a reliable player for KTF, many of the same arguments hold - KTF could easily have dealt for one or even two B-class Protosses with tons of potential.
Right now the map pool is pretty friendly for Terrans and Terrans have certainly been tearing up the WL, but that won't last forever. I just think that KTF is being pretty short-sighted and, if it's going to be spending money, should seriously consider improving what is obviously its weakest race. Just watch, when next PL features a bunch of Protoss-friendly maps KTF could be in huge trouble
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On March 14 2009 08:12 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:Coach Cho is nowhere near as bad as  H.O.T-Forever
How can you even compare these two? Coach Cho is the head coach of Hwaseung, whereas H.O.T is just a coach/instructor for the players. One calls all the shots, and another just advises and oversees how the zerg players on his team do.
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i've always hated coach cho
thanks for the interview!
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I really do not like Lecaf coach. It looks like he only cares JD in the team.
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KTF can finally win a match without Flash. And Flash could be not lined up for a game for the first time in god knows how long.
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What's the deal with Oz Coach and Hot Forever. I've heard Hot being referred in a bad way several times but nobody ever explains in the threads it's brought up in.
On March 14 2009 09:16 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me. In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea. I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach.
It's a bit different than a work place. In progaming environment they live together like in an army unit. While I'm not in the army I'd guess they do inform the rest of the squad of a transfer or at least the soldier would tell his everyone else.
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Did you talk to any of your former teammates about this after the news came out?
-Right after Fomos posted the news, I got some phone calls from my former teammates. They were very surprised, guess they didn’t know…
lol you'd think that a huge presence in the team like him would at least tell them and have a big going away party or something
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On March 14 2009 07:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
PS Assorted articles have mentioned how ForGG and Oz’s Coach Cho have a strained relationship. Once, Coach Cho said something along the lines of “ForGG needs to perform better…” in an interview, and gave ForGG a warning during practice. After that, ForGG didn’t play much. The last time he played was on February 11th against ACE. Regarding this, fans have asked Coach Cho whether or not there are any issues before, but the coach said that there aren’t any issues, and also said that ForGG will not be transferred to another team…
fucked up coach, reminds me of OGN Coach vs Casy.
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On March 14 2009 11:23 BlackMagister wrote:What's the deal with Oz Coach and Hot Forever. I've heard Hot being referred in a bad way several times but nobody ever explains in the threads it's brought up in. Show nested quote +On March 14 2009 09:16 baubo wrote:On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me. In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea. I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach. It's a bit different than a work place. In progaming environment they live together like in an army unit. While I'm not in the army I'd guess they do inform the rest of the squad of a transfer or at least the soldier would tell his everyone else.
Actually, my exact analogy was to other sports teams, which operate more or less the same way.
I'm guessing you don't really follow any team sports. If you do, you'd realize that underneath all that sportsmanship, comradrie, and bonding among players and coaches, it's still a business. And in the end players are just hired workers who are beneath the decision-makers.
The business side of sports is ugly.
And I also don't like Coach Cho. The whole thing about him and Jaedong at WCG was just creepy(by my admittedly biased western standard). Perhaps ForGG pissed him off by not rolling over against Jaedong in the Arena MSL?
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What's the coach cho thing you're talking about @ wcg? I've never heard about any of this stuff before.
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On March 14 2009 11:43 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2009 11:23 BlackMagister wrote:What's the deal with Oz Coach and Hot Forever. I've heard Hot being referred in a bad way several times but nobody ever explains in the threads it's brought up in. On March 14 2009 09:16 baubo wrote:On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me. In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea. I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach. It's a bit different than a work place. In progaming environment they live together like in an army unit. While I'm not in the army I'd guess they do inform the rest of the squad of a transfer or at least the soldier would tell his everyone else. Actually, my exact analogy was to other sports teams, which operate more or less the same way. I'm guessing you don't really follow any team sports. If you do, you'd realize that underneath all that sportsmanship, comradrie, and bonding among players and coaches, it's still a business. And in the end players are just hired workers who are beneath the decision-makers. The business side of sports is ugly. And I also don't like Coach Cho. The whole thing about him and Jaedong at WCG was just creepy(by my admittedly biased western standard). Perhaps ForGG pissed him off by not rolling over against Jaedong in the Arena MSL?
Well I was thinking of business companies since you referred to that as well. Though even if it is just "business" in sports teams I'd still think they would tell others before they leave. Whether not it is "business" I'd think you would make at least some friends especially when you live with them. I mean some of ForGG's teammates messaged him and were shocked that he leaving for KTF so it does seem like they cared.
Plus you always hear in the interviews asking the progamers who they're close to on their team and even their talk about who outside their team who helped them practice. One line that's been said several times in different ways is "You'd be surprised how close the progamers are"
But you know ForGG might be the odd ball or hated by the coach like what's being discussed.
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On March 14 2009 11:43 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2009 11:23 BlackMagister wrote:What's the deal with Oz Coach and Hot Forever. I've heard Hot being referred in a bad way several times but nobody ever explains in the threads it's brought up in. On March 14 2009 09:16 baubo wrote:On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me. In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea. I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach. It's a bit different than a work place. In progaming environment they live together like in an army unit. While I'm not in the army I'd guess they do inform the rest of the squad of a transfer or at least the soldier would tell his everyone else. Actually, my exact analogy was to other sports teams, which operate more or less the same way. I'm guessing you don't really follow any team sports. If you do, you'd realize that underneath all that sportsmanship, comradrie, and bonding among players and coaches, it's still a business. And in the end players are just hired workers who are beneath the decision-makers. The business side of sports is ugly. And I also don't like Coach Cho. The whole thing about him and Jaedong at WCG was just creepy(by my admittedly biased western standard). Perhaps ForGG pissed him off by not rolling over against Jaedong in the Arena MSL?
Idk about other places but in Europe, in any teamsport I am aware of, a player has a right to choose if he wants to leave or not and the team has the same right as well. So basically both parties have to agree for the transfer to take place. I don't know what sports are you refering to but that's definitely the way in football, basketball, volleyball, 3 main team sports in Europe.
And yes, sport in the end is business but both parties, players and teams have their obligations. It's not that easy to fire a player unless his contract has expired. Otherwise you will have to pay him compensation which usually is huge.
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KTF is legend house... Reach, YellOw, Flash, Nal_rA, Garimto, ChoJJA
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On March 14 2009 13:08 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:
KTF is legend house... Reach, YellOw, Flash, Nal_rA, Garimto, ChoJJA
Come on "T1 fan", SK is clearly the legend house: BoxeR, iloveoov, GoRush, Kingdom, IntoTheRainbow, Bisu
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Boxer wouldn't be who he is without YellOw, and SKT1 wouldn't be what it is without Boxer =d
Also KTF had Nada.
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Stars miss to pick up another Terran. I guess Piano better keep being a beast.
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On March 14 2009 11:47 Frits wrote:
What's the coach cho thing you're talking about @ wcg? I've never heard about any of this stuff before.
yeah I'd really like to know as well
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maybe they wanna pick up forgg in hopes of later trading him for a protoss player?
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On March 14 2009 11:59 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2009 11:43 baubo wrote:On March 14 2009 11:23 BlackMagister wrote:What's the deal with Oz Coach and Hot Forever. I've heard Hot being referred in a bad way several times but nobody ever explains in the threads it's brought up in. On March 14 2009 09:16 baubo wrote:On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me. In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea. I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach. It's a bit different than a work place. In progaming environment they live together like in an army unit. While I'm not in the army I'd guess they do inform the rest of the squad of a transfer or at least the soldier would tell his everyone else. Actually, my exact analogy was to other sports teams, which operate more or less the same way. I'm guessing you don't really follow any team sports. If you do, you'd realize that underneath all that sportsmanship, comradrie, and bonding among players and coaches, it's still a business. And in the end players are just hired workers who are beneath the decision-makers. The business side of sports is ugly. And I also don't like Coach Cho. The whole thing about him and Jaedong at WCG was just creepy(by my admittedly biased western standard). Perhaps ForGG pissed him off by not rolling over against Jaedong in the Arena MSL? Well I was thinking of business companies since you referred to that as well. Though even if it is just "business" in sports teams I'd still think they would tell others before they leave. Whether not it is "business" I'd think you would make at least some friends especially when you live with them. I mean some of ForGG's teammates messaged him and were shocked that he leaving for KTF so it does seem like they cared. Plus you always hear in the interviews asking the progamers who they're close to on their team and even their talk about who outside their team who helped them practice. One line that's been said several times in different ways is "You'd be surprised how close the progamers are" But you know ForGG might be the odd ball or hated by the coach like what's being discussed.
But notice you're talking about friendship among players themselves, rather than with the management. That's different concept. In fact, the reason why these things go down w/o players' knowledge if BECAUSE they're close. And you don't want that to influence your decision.
On March 14 2009 12:48 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2009 11:43 baubo wrote:On March 14 2009 11:23 BlackMagister wrote:What's the deal with Oz Coach and Hot Forever. I've heard Hot being referred in a bad way several times but nobody ever explains in the threads it's brought up in. On March 14 2009 09:16 baubo wrote:On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me. In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea. I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach. It's a bit different than a work place. In progaming environment they live together like in an army unit. While I'm not in the army I'd guess they do inform the rest of the squad of a transfer or at least the soldier would tell his everyone else. Actually, my exact analogy was to other sports teams, which operate more or less the same way. I'm guessing you don't really follow any team sports. If you do, you'd realize that underneath all that sportsmanship, comradrie, and bonding among players and coaches, it's still a business. And in the end players are just hired workers who are beneath the decision-makers. The business side of sports is ugly. And I also don't like Coach Cho. The whole thing about him and Jaedong at WCG was just creepy(by my admittedly biased western standard). Perhaps ForGG pissed him off by not rolling over against Jaedong in the Arena MSL? Idk about other places but in Europe, in any teamsport I am aware of, a player has a right to choose if he wants to leave or not and the team has the same right as well. So basically both parties have to agree for the transfer to take place. I don't know what sports are you refering to but that's definitely the way in football, basketball, volleyball, 3 main team sports in Europe. And yes, sport in the end is business but both parties, players and teams have their obligations. It's not that easy to fire a player unless his contract has expired. Otherwise you will have to pay him compensation which usually is huge.
I think it's safe to say that contracts between SC teams and players aren't nearly as fair. We're talking about teenagers who don't know anything about business, and pretty much "owned" by their teams. Plus I'm believe all but the best players don't make enough money for business savvy agents to speak on their behalf. Which is really what these kids need.
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So did everybody glaze over the part where fOrGG didn't want to go initially and it was KTF who REALLY wanted him in the first place?
Omg Coach Cho sabotage!
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On March 14 2009 13:15 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2009 13:08 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:
KTF is legend house... Reach, YellOw, Flash, Nal_rA, Garimto, ChoJJA Come on "T1 fan", SK is clearly the legend house: BoxeR, iloveoov, GoRush, Kingdom, IntoTheRainbow, Bisu
non-KTF: Reach(Hanbit), Nal_rA(Suma G.O.(Greatest Ones)), ChoJJa(Hanbit), Sync(Hanbit), TheMarine(G.O.), Garimto(Hanbit)
non-T1: GoRush(G.O.), Kingdom(Hanbit), Bisu(MBC), Midas(G.O.)
true-KTF: Yell0w + $$$
true-T1: Boxer, Intotherainbow, Oov + $$$
meh~
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On March 14 2009 14:33 EntertainMe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2009 13:15 JWD wrote:On March 14 2009 13:08 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:
KTF is legend house... Reach, YellOw, Flash, Nal_rA, Garimto, ChoJJA Come on "T1 fan", SK is clearly the legend house: BoxeR, iloveoov, GoRush, Kingdom, IntoTheRainbow, Bisu non-KTF: Reach(Hanbit), Nal_rA(Suma G.O.(Greatest Ones)), ChoJJa(Hanbit), Sync(Hanbit), TheMarine(G.O.), Garimto(Hanbit) non-T1: GoRush(G.O.), Kingdom(Hanbit), Bisu(MBC), Midas(G.O.) IntotheRainbow(G.O.?) true-KTF: Yell0w + $$$ true-T1: Boxer, Oov + $$$ meh~
Chojja was SouL 
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On March 14 2009 14:39 Guybrush wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2009 14:33 EntertainMe wrote:On March 14 2009 13:15 JWD wrote:On March 14 2009 13:08 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:
KTF is legend house... Reach, YellOw, Flash, Nal_rA, Garimto, ChoJJA Come on "T1 fan", SK is clearly the legend house: BoxeR, iloveoov, GoRush, Kingdom, IntoTheRainbow, Bisu non-KTF: Reach(Hanbit), Nal_rA(Suma G.O.(Greatest Ones)), ChoJJa(Hanbit), Sync(Hanbit), TheMarine(G.O.), Garimto(Hanbit) non-T1: GoRush(G.O.), Kingdom(Hanbit), Bisu(MBC), Midas(G.O.) true-KTF: Yell0w + $$$ true-T1: Boxer, Oov, IntotheRainbow + $$$ meh~ Chojja was SouL
Oh yea! How could I forget!!! SouLZerGs! ChoJJa, JJu, and TheWinD!!!
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just after Hwaseung made that speach about how the players will become more loyal because of the cahnge (didnt made sense anywasy) now they are trading away players. quite funny
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hmm
is yellow really the only great KTF player that wasn't bought?
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YellOw was bought too lol.
YellOw and Boxer used to be on the same team (IS), then Boxer left, so YellOw left.
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And ironically is IS the same team as Oz now
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FORGG, FIGHTING AGAINST CHILD LABOR!
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wow, first Anytime, then forGG....there must be some problem with CoachCho
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Flash was KTF home grown wasnt he?
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On March 14 2009 18:53 Scaramanga wrote:
Flash was KTF home grown wasnt he?
no he came from pantech/wemade
the only 'succesful' ktf-grown player i can think of is oddysay.
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While I'm not keen on ForGG recently, I side with him against the Choach (read 'cockaroach' ). He really seems indignant and I find myself speculating at how in-house conflict can really have an effect on a player's results in competition...
On March 14 2009 16:24 Sadistx wrote:
FORGG, FIGHTING AGAINST CHILD LABOR!
QFT.
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oh boy. this is big news. I guess Flash has another playmate.
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wellcome to ktf!! its much better team anyway ..
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Flash is close enough to home-grown KTF. He basically only started tearing shit apart after he went to KTF.
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On March 14 2009 09:33 Calyx wrote:
Darn, now KTF has a player that I like. I may have to start rooting for them.
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On March 14 2009 16:24 Sadistx wrote:
FORGG, FIGHTING AGAINST CHILD LABOR!
AMEN!
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Flash is KTF grown as far as I'm concerned. He wasn't super gosu on Pantech and then purchased for an exorbitant price; he transferred as essentially an unknown. I mean hell when he first got on KTF he didn't even know of the map Guillotine.
Anyway, KTF bought every single one of its legends. YellOw and NaDa are the first - I think they were offered 80,000,000won/year contracts initially? YellOw left for Toona but returned when KTF doubled his salary; in the interim KTF bought all those champions.
edit: As for which is the legend house, T1 has always had, at any point in time, more StarLeague championships than the KTF house.
If you include special events I think it's a pretty close affair when you take the teams at their respective zeniths.
KTF just has the Madrid reputation for buying all their winners; T1 owes a lot of their medals to the homegrown oov.
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Thanks for that insight LR you rock!
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I'd call easily that flash is a KTF grown player, he transferred pantech to ktf when he was nobody and he played his first pro matches in ktf too (odt-daum osl afair)
KTF didnt grow one of their old legends afair.
SKT has only boxer and oov of their own legend i think.
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On March 14 2009 13:15 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2009 13:08 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:
KTF is legend house... Reach, YellOw, Flash, Nal_rA, Garimto, ChoJJA Come on "T1 fan", SK is clearly the legend house: BoxeR, iloveoov, GoRush, Kingdom, IntoTheRainbow, Bisu
Rainbow is a legend? I suppose he's a legend in much the same way that MuMyung is. Then again... MuMyung never got publicly scolded by Boxer's dad for being a shitty practice partner.
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On March 18 2009 01:14 Hyperionnn wrote:
SKT has only boxer and oov of their own legend i think.
Boxer didn't start out on SKT1. He's not really SKT1 home-grown, he was owning stuff back when he was teammates with YellOw...killing his teammate in a Starleague final...-cry-
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On March 19 2009 07:11 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2009 13:15 JWD wrote:On March 14 2009 13:08 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:
KTF is legend house... Reach, YellOw, Flash, Nal_rA, Garimto, ChoJJA Come on "T1 fan", SK is clearly the legend house: BoxeR, iloveoov, GoRush, Kingdom, IntoTheRainbow, Bisu Rainbow is a legend? I suppose he's a legend in much the same way that MuMyung is. Then again... MuMyung never got publicly scolded by Boxer's dad for being a shitty practice partner.
Please elaborate.
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what does "hyung" mean ???
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On March 19 2009 07:29 littlechava wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2009 07:11 Mindcrime wrote:On March 14 2009 13:15 JWD wrote:On March 14 2009 13:08 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:
KTF is legend house... Reach, YellOw, Flash, Nal_rA, Garimto, ChoJJA Come on "T1 fan", SK is clearly the legend house: BoxeR, iloveoov, GoRush, Kingdom, IntoTheRainbow, Bisu Rainbow is a legend? I suppose he's a legend in much the same way that MuMyung is. Then again... MuMyung never got publicly scolded by Boxer's dad for being a shitty practice partner. Please elaborate.
I was a little off. It wasn't a public scolding, though it was an indirect yet obvious insult.
On December 03 2002 06:52 mensrea wrote:
However, it should also be noted that one of Boxer's alleged reasons for leaving IS in the first place was because Boxer's dad did not feel IS had provided Lim with the proper Protoss sparring partner in preparation for Boxer's battle v Reach in the SKY 2002 OGN final - an indirect insult to IntoTheRainbow as he's the only toss player in the IS team.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=865#1
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On March 19 2009 07:35 Piste wrote:
what does "hyung" mean ???
Like an older brother whom you respect
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On March 19 2009 07:57 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2009 07:29 littlechava wrote:On March 19 2009 07:11 Mindcrime wrote:On March 14 2009 13:15 JWD wrote:On March 14 2009 13:08 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:
KTF is legend house... Reach, YellOw, Flash, Nal_rA, Garimto, ChoJJA Come on "T1 fan", SK is clearly the legend house: BoxeR, iloveoov, GoRush, Kingdom, IntoTheRainbow, Bisu Rainbow is a legend? I suppose he's a legend in much the same way that MuMyung is. Then again... MuMyung never got publicly scolded by Boxer's dad for being a shitty practice partner. Please elaborate. I was a little off. It wasn't a public scolding, though it was an indirect yet obvious insult. Show nested quote +On December 03 2002 06:52 mensrea wrote:
However, it should also be noted that one of Boxer's alleged reasons for leaving IS in the first place was because Boxer's dad did not feel IS had provided Lim with the proper Protoss sparring partner in preparation for Boxer's battle v Reach in the SKY 2002 OGN final - an indirect insult to IntoTheRainbow as he's the only toss player in the IS team. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=865#1 wow lol
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Hopefully soon
KTF
Flash
Luxury
ForGG
Stork
P O W E R H O U S E ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
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On March 19 2009 09:09 G5 wrote:
Hopefully soon
KTF
Flash
Luxury
ForGG
Stork
Leta
Yarnc
KaL
Bisu
JangBi
free
Jaedong
P O W E R H O U S E ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! fixed
this will leave only CJ to fight against the forces of evil
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lol if KTF does have Stork flash forGG and luxury like they planned
i think top 3 proleauge is ranking no problems for KTF
and OZ is falling apart
i think HiyA is good but no offense ForGG is one time MSL winner for a reason
i think lecaf need rely alot on jaedong now like how KTF did to flash
btw wen backho coming back lol
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On March 14 2009 11:43 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2009 11:23 BlackMagister wrote:What's the deal with Oz Coach and Hot Forever. I've heard Hot being referred in a bad way several times but nobody ever explains in the threads it's brought up in. On March 14 2009 09:16 baubo wrote:On March 14 2009 08:06 Lebesgue wrote:But the interview is weird. He shows signs neither of excitement nor regret because of the move. Also says nothing about consulting with anyone, including coaching staff and his team-mates, And the fact that none of his team-mates knew about it is also kind of weird for me. In any sport, player movement generally involve no player knowledge beforehand. It just makes the whole ordeal more smooth and hurts chemistry less. This more or less applies to just regular companies. If your boss wants you fired, he's not going to openly ask your co-workers what they think of the idea. I'm glad ForGG moved. I like him, and it really sucked that he's stuck behind Lomo and Hiya. But his relationship with the coach made it more understandable. Well, I guess when you're a teenager, eve being a starleague champion doesn't mean squat in front of the coach. It's a bit different than a work place. In progaming environment they live together like in an army unit. While I'm not in the army I'd guess they do inform the rest of the squad of a transfer or at least the soldier would tell his everyone else. Actually, my exact analogy was to other sports teams, which operate more or less the same way. I'm guessing you don't really follow any team sports. If you do, you'd realize that underneath all that sportsmanship, comradrie, and bonding among players and coaches, it's still a business. And in the end players are just hired workers who are beneath the decision-makers. The business side of sports is ugly. And I also don't like Coach Cho. The whole thing about him and Jaedong at WCG was just creepy(by my admittedly biased western standard). Perhaps ForGG pissed him off by not rolling over against Jaedong in the Arena MSL?
i guess youve never heard of trade rumors
or espn
etc etc
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what the hell? I've only been following this scene for a short time, so I had no idea the coach of the team I picked to root for had such a bad reputation.
What is this Coach Cho / JD / WCG thing? I've never heard of it before this thread.
And is there any evidence that Cho was actually mad at ForGG for beating JD in non-team events?
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Oh god I wish KTF could get their hands on a good Protoss.
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