On February 27 2009 22:40 konadora wrote: Group A: Bisu vs Best
Group B: Luxury vs Fantasy
Group C: By.Hero vs Hwasin
Group D: Jaedong vs Stork
Some notes; - Bisu has his entire team on his side of the bracket - no SKT vs SKT finals - Bisu vs Jaedong is a very real possibility (as predicted) - hero/hwasin and bisu/best are inter-team affairs how sad - Jaedong vs Stork - ever 2007 rematch!
OMG,i missing those days when Best was unstopable PvP'er. My Predictions : Bisu>Best(after this Best will never win a single game xDDD ) Luxury>Fantasy Hwasin>Hero Jaedong>Stork
I love how Bisu's macro improved a lot from being around Best while Best.....hasn't learned a thing from Bisu. I'd definitely lol if Best were the one to ruin Bisu's OSL hopes. Practice partners are gonna make a huge difference; I bet Jangbi, Free, and Kal all have two new messages.
Best vs Lux - EVER08 OSL Semifinals Bisu vs Hwasin - ClubDay MSL *and* GOM2 MSL *and* GOM3 MSL Ro16 (Not to mention GOM MSL1 and Daum OSL group stages) - (Jesus... Bisu has shut Hwasin out of almost everything he's been in) JD vs Stork - EVER 2007 Final and WCG08 semifinal Bisu vs Stork - GOM2 Finals, EVER07 Semifinals, Incruit Quarterfinals Best vs Stork - Bacchus OSL quarterfinals, Incruit Semifinals
And of course the most epic possible rematch..... by.hero vs Bisu - lol...
Edit: It's like these guys are all good and get into lots of starleagues or something.
PvZ is Best's worst matchup, and jaedong is just too good for him to handle, i think. On the other hand, there is a slight possibility the Dino Toss will pull some shenanigans and beat Jaedong, in which case we could be in for an interesting Stork vs. Best/Bisu/fantasy final.
I can't understand why people are predicting Fantasy ? The guy sucks at TvZ .... Either he comes up with some cheese or Luxury rows him thats how i see it ...
On February 27 2009 23:46 raga4ka wrote: I can't understand why people are predicting Fantasy ? The guy sucks at TvZ .... Either he comes up with some cheese or Luxury rows him thats how i see it ...
oov will just give him a gosu anti lux build and proceed to rape him in fashion. you just cant ignore the oov factor at times like these
Wait a second. Hwasin always loses to the person who'll win, right? So, Hwasin will either lose to by.hero or Jaedong and that person will win the OSL.
This is very quick and very rough so don't be surprised if there are errors here. Game 1 of each of these is on March 6th. Game 2/3 is on March 13th. I don't actually know korean so I had to cross reference with TLPD to get these.
Bisu/Best
Sin Chupung-Ryeong Tears of the Moon Medusa
Luxury/Fantasy
Medusa Return of the King Sin Chupung-Ryeong
Hwasin/by.hero
Tears of the Moon Medusa Return of the King
Stork/Jaedong
Return of the King Sin Chupung-Ryeong Tears of the Moon
On February 27 2009 22:50 monstar123 wrote: OMG,i missing those days when Best was unstopable PvP'er. My Predictions : Bisu>Best(after this Best will never win a single game xDDD ) Luxury>Fantasy Hwasin>Hero Jaedong>Stork
then Bisu>Fantasy Hwasin>Jaedong
Bisu>Hwasin
O.O Fantasy is so good he advance even when he lose!
Bisu < Best (for some reason, i think BeSt will take this) Fantasy < Luxury (Lux is pretty on fire lately, he will kill Fantasy with his mech build) Hwasin < Hero (hwasin hasnt been doing so well lately, so i think he might lose this) Jaedong > Stork (no need to explain this)
A1: BIsu(P) vs Best(P) @ Sin Chupung-Ryeong B1: Hwasin(T) vs By.Hero(Z) @ Medusa C1: Fantasy(T) vs Luxury(Z) @ Tears of the Moon D1: Jaedong(Z) vs Stork(P) @ Return of the King
◆ Ro 8 Week 2 - 13th March
A2: BIsu(P) vs Best(P) @ Tears of the Moon A3: BIsu(P) vs Best(P) @ Medusa B2: Hwasin(T) vs By.Hero(Z) @ Return of the King B3: Hwasin(T) vs By.Hero(Z) @ Sin Chupung-Ryeong C2: Fantasy(T) vs Luxury(Z) @ Medusa C3: Fantasy(T) vs Luxury(Z) @ Return of the King D2: Jaedong(Z) vs Stork(P) @ Sin Chupung-Ryeong D3: Jaedong(Z) vs Stork(P) @ Tears of the Moon
Wishful thinking: Bisu > Best Fantasy > Luxury Hwasin > Hero Jaedong > Stork
Bisu > Fantasy Jaedong > Hwasin
Bisu vs Jaedong doesn't matter who wins both are great.
What my guts are telling me:
Bisu > Best [I'm worried Bisu might fail here already] Fantasy > Luxury Hwasin > Hero Jaedong > Stork - so far same shit. I just have this weird feeling for Bisu vs Best.
Bisu < Fantasy Hwasin > Jaedong
.... and then we have the lamest shit possible. And now don't tell me this isn't likely, I'm a die hard Bisu fan but Light and IriS are like weaker versions of Fantasy's TvP so its very possible for Bisu to lose to him, especially cause we're all jinxing it. Hwasin won JD last time remember? If Hwasin doesn't choke he's a lock for the Final with an all Zerg road to finals... If Bisu actually gets to the finals - he should take it easily, given the fact that he'd be facing Hwasinsurance. If not he will punch hisself cause Hwasin in finals is the easiest fucking thing for him and everyone but him is rather the underdog vs Hwasin lately... Don't bash me for saying Hwasin prolly is favorite against JD - if you don't think so please watch JD's last ZvT's vs Flash, FBH, Hwasin and tell me his ZvT is "still the same" like when he spanked everyone left and right... I would love Bisu vs Jaedong finals, but we can't be THAT lucky twice.
Goooo by.hero! It sucks though that he's almost certainly going to be up against Jaedong in semifinals if he gets past Hwasin, that's some really horrible luck. Still, I hope he or Lux or JD wins the whole thing.
On February 28 2009 00:26 Horangi wrote: Bisu < Best (for some reason, i think BeSt will take this) Fantasy < Luxury (Lux is pretty on fire lately, he will kill Fantasy with his mech build) Hwasin < Hero (hwasin hasnt been doing so well lately, so i think he might lose this) <- WHAT? Jaedong > Stork (no need to explain this)
I don't see a JD-Bisu finals happening just because so many people want that lol. It seems every Ro8 when 2 of the top players are on opposite sides people already hype their final, but then it never happens. Anyone remember Arena MSL?
It will prob be like best vs by.hero or some crazy shit lol
I think this is the best OSL RO8 ever, not only in terms of skill level, but also in terms of excitement. You've got your destined OSL winner, his "rival" on the opposite bracket, teammate vs teammate tensions, royal roader, the returning champ, returning silver medalist, and a dark horse. Man, this is going to be a rockin' good time.
On February 28 2009 01:02 iNfeRnaL wrote: Wishful thinking: Bisu > Best Fantasy > Luxury Hwasin > Hero Jaedong > Stork
Bisu > Fantasy Jaedong > Hwasin
Bisu vs Jaedong doesn't matter who wins both are great.
What my guts are telling me:
Bisu > Best [I'm worried Bisu might fail here already] Fantasy > Luxury Hwasin > Hero Jaedong > Stork - so far same shit. I just have this weird feeling for Bisu vs Best.
Bisu < Fantasy Hwasin > Jaedong
.... and then we have the lamest shit possible. And now don't tell me this isn't likely, I'm a die hard Bisu fan but Light and IriS are like weaker versions of Fantasy's TvP so its very possible for Bisu to lose to him, especially cause we're all jinxing it. Hwasin won JD last time remember? If Hwasin doesn't choke he's a lock for the Final with an all Zerg road to finals... If Bisu actually gets to the finals - he should take it easily, given the fact that he'd be facing Hwasinsurance. If not he will punch hisself cause Hwasin in finals is the easiest fucking thing for him and everyone but him is rather the underdog vs Hwasin lately... Don't bash me for saying Hwasin prolly is favorite against JD - if you don't think so please watch JD's last ZvT's vs Flash, FBH, Hwasin and tell me his ZvT is "still the same" like when he spanked everyone left and right... I would love Bisu vs Jaedong finals, but we can't be THAT lucky twice.
Ok, not bashing you, but uh Hwasin is not a favorite against Jaedong.
That match if anything would be a complete tossup. I don't care who wins this OSL as long as the name doesn't start with B and end with U. It'll probably come down to Jaedong smacking him down but that makes for a good final.
My predictions: Bisu < Best Luxury < Fantasy by.hero < Hwasin Jaedong < Stork
Best > Fantasy Hwasin < Stork
Best < Stork
I honestly feel Stork has better chances against Jaedong than Bisu does. Jaedong does extremely well against Bisu's harassment style, but when it comes to Stork's safe, management based play, Jaedong tends to have a harder time.
Especially when Stork brings his S-game to the table. If Stork prepares for Jaedong the same way he did at WCG 08... well we know what happened at WCG
I still have daydreams about those speedlots swarming JD's base in game 3 . Stork has what it takes, and if he has to prove a bunch of naysayers wrong then it is nothing new.
Why, Starcraft Gods, why? Bisu vs BeSt....I'm torn.
Bisu > Jaedong finals is destiny, and would silence the doubters. Yet even Bisu said BeSt would win the next Starleague. They both want this really, really bad.
Man, is it gonna be awkward at the T1 house. I predict some weird proleague performances for the next few weeks.
If BeSt wins, he'll eliminate the player I like that has the best shot at winning the entire OSL. He'll also derail Bisu's bonjwa campaign (which I am a fervent supporter of). Also, if BeSt wins he'll either be up against his teammate or a Zerg in the next round, and neither is a fun opponent.
If Bisu wins, he'll keep BeSt from an OSL title - the award which would validate all of my praise for BeSt and silence his doubters somewhat. Also, I'm a bigger BeSt fan than I am a Bisu fan, so it will be tragic to see BeSt lose.
The worst part about all this is that the series is only Bo3! Luck can play a huge factor. Ah, OSL bracket gods I hate you!!
I think Best may be the worst opponent for Bisu in the ro8. They must know each other very well from practice games (and they had a lot of matches against Jangbi or Stork to practice for). And Best´s best matchup is pvp. Apart from Jaedong noone seems so dangerous for Bisu.
- hero/hwasin and bisu/best are inter-team affairs how sad
Intra-team would be the compound to use for two players from the same team playing each other--just like the internet is global and an intranet is a local network
Looks like hwasin may do the dirty job and take out jaedong for bisu Neither luxury nor fantasy are a real threat. So the biggest problem seems to be best (well not that big really).
If hwasin fails well bisu should do the dirty job himself. But really bisu vs hwasin final would be pretty awesome too.
I am so happy its Bisu V Best. I hope bisu destroys that chump. Even should best win somehow, it'll knock bisu out, and best has no chance against JD!
I hope luxury smokes Fantasy.. even though Fantasy is very cool.
Hmm hwasin will probably beat hero, and a JD hwasin Bo5 will be epic.
I suppose Stork has a small chance to beat JD... which I would be somewhat ok with. Stork would roll Hwasin and would have a chance to take the whole thing too. But i am still rooting for JD to take this whole osl.
Bisu has been performing very well in both individual leagues and Winner's League while BeSt always saves the best for individual leagues so here's to hoping Bisu make it through !
there is no way in the world someone like hero will get past a person with one of the most solidest tvz's in past years. adding to that, if he somehow does make it, there is no way (i will bet my knife something) he will beat either stork or jaedong in a bo5.
On February 28 2009 04:33 Hot_Bid wrote: it would be pretty funny to see what SKT fans have to say if Best beats Bisu and then gets rolled by Lux in the next round lol
lol that would be too funny >.<
And am I the only one who sort of wants to see a Bisu v By.hero final with by.hero winning? Just for the ironic, "I knocked you out of the OSL twice!" effect?
That being said, JD v Bisu would be sweet. I would like to see a Lux v Best semi's though... just for old times sake.
On February 28 2009 05:25 Djabanete wrote: Who is by.Hero... Flash or July please ...
waaaaaaaaaaaaah
He's just the guy who eliminated Bisu in the OSL ro36, eliminated Boxer in GOM ro64, beat iloveoov in the OSL prelims, and knocked out GoRush in Survivor. If he was up against someone from SKT I'd say he's a sure thing to win. It's just too bad he has to face his own teammate, especially Hwasin.
And oh yes by.hero vs bisu final would be thirty kinds of awesome.
It would be really cool if we got a Stork vs Bisu final. Though there is not much contention anymore that Bisu is the best protoss overall at the moment, it might be that Stork has better PvP.
However, this would require Stork>Jaedong...
That's very unlikely, unless JD is overconfident like July was in the tiebreaker. It's not that Stork sucks totally at PvZ, he's just nothing special. His only way of beating a ZvP monster like JD is to get a psychological edge, and have JD play under his real skill level. Here's hoping.
Too bad BeSt isn't in his godly PvP shape/streak he was in few months ago. Would like to see that. Anyway, 2 best PvPers around, too bad I only semi-enjoy PvP ;o
I'm also looking forward to JD vs Stork, OSL/WCG revenge for both~~ and, hell yeah, go Stork i love your supper sloppy PvZ kwanro grin
Two TvZs, but fantasy's TvZ is kinda meh, and he underperforms a bit after all his hype. Not that Lux doesn't, but Lux seems more solid atm. by.hero vs Hwasin should produce interesting aggressive games. (AH LETA WHY, WHYYYY /rant)
Sorry to the Bisu fans... but this OSL belongs to the Insurance Terran.
My Dream bracket: Bisu > Best Fantasy > Luxury Hwasin > Hero Jaedong > Stork
then Bisu > fantasy Hwasin > Jaedong
then Hwasin > Bisu
Hwasin finally overcomes the stigma of "Insurance Terran" and destroys Bisu for his first OSL, dashing any bonjwa dreams in the process. THAT, my friends, is more epic than any [Bisu>Jaedong] final you will ever see.
The fat kid who got pushed around during recess and was called names by the handsome kid, who grows up and works in a cubicle for said handsome kid, who comes in one day with a revolver and pops that handsome kid in the face. The perfect comeback story.
Dam it! After yesterday Tiebraker result i thought that stork is the biggest obstacle for bisu to take the gold. But now i see the competition is strong. Bisu has performed well pvp recently and best did a little worse than his usual self. But the tides have to turn eventualy. It's a conflip to me. They teammates and know thier style well, they will try to adapt and maybe change their playstyle to confuse each other. I think somone said it but i repeat, it the quality of practice partners will have enourmus meaning. Bisu has always beat hwasin even when he was in form so i dont think he will have problem with him. By.hero did win earlier but r4 is bo5 right? very diffrent from bo1 and bisu should take this if it would happen. Jaedong, again very hard opponent, who on theese maps will have the edge,
I don't want to sound like a blind bisu fan (I am of couse a one) but i am more of a protoss fan, and a dominating protoss wolud be great to happen, and none other, besides Bisu is closer to it. So i cheer for him with all my heart. Stork or Best Winning would be ok i guess. sry 4 me english, feel free to correct my mistakes (to lazy to change firefox spelling from polish)
On February 28 2009 05:25 Djabanete wrote: Who is by.Hero... Flash or July please ...
waaaaaaaaaaaaah
He's just the guy who eliminated Bisu in the OSL ro36, eliminated Boxer in GOM ro64, beat iloveoov in the OSL prelims, and knocked out GoRush in Survivor. If he was up against someone from SKT I'd say he's a sure thing to win. It's just too bad he has to face his own teammate, especially Hwasin.
And oh yes by.hero vs bisu final would be thirty kinds of awesome.
I for one is super excited for the Bisu vs Best match. I don`t care if they are teammates, iv been waiting for them to clash for a long time now and I expect them to deliver some awesome games. Best RO8 in a long time imo, and pretty much regardless of the results the rest of the tourney are bound to be good also.
Best vs Bisu... Cmon Best, one time. You can win this OSL because you can believe in Hwasin to kill all the zergs for you! Awesome! I want Hwasin to do well so Best can do well. I think the best chance at beating JD is Bisu or Hwasin easily, but -_-;; can't give Bisu a chance to see.
I don't think anyone is giving enough credit to Hwasin. It is like Casy all over again with his OSL run only consisting of Zerg. If luxury or fantasy make it out of their respective A/B bracket then Hwasin has a good shot. (qq)
On a site note, I'd like to see Fantasy go, but the chances of him taking a BoX from a protoss, especially Best or Bisu is highly unlikely.
even though I'm a big big Terran fan and I've always liked Hwasin, I'd really prefer Jaedong vs Bisu finals than to have Hwasin get utterly raped by Bisu in the final
On February 28 2009 05:25 Djabanete wrote: Who is by.Hero... Flash or July please ...
waaaaaaaaaaaaah
He's just the guy who eliminated Bisu in the OSL ro36, eliminated Boxer in GOM ro64, beat iloveoov in the OSL prelims, and knocked out GoRush in Survivor. If he was up against someone from SKT I'd say he's a sure thing to win. It's just too bad he has to face his own teammate, especially Hwasin.
And oh yes by.hero vs bisu final would be thirty kinds of awesome.
On February 28 2009 06:17 redtooth wrote: Sorry to the Bisu fans... but this OSL belongs to the Insurance Terran.
My Dream bracket: Bisu > Best Fantasy > Luxury Hwasin > Hero Jaedong > Stork
then Bisu > fantasy Hwasin > Jaedong
then Hwasin > Bisu
Hwasin finally overcomes the stigma of "Insurance Terran" and destroys Bisu for his first OSL, dashing any bonjwa dreams in the process. THAT, my friends, is more epic than any [Bisu>Jaedong] final you will ever see.
The fat kid who got pushed around during recess and was called names by the handsome kid, who grows up and works in a cubicle for said handsome kid, who comes in one day with a revolver and pops that handsome kid in the face. The perfect comeback story.
I would REALLY love to see that happen, but I just don't know if Hwasin has it in him :\
On February 28 2009 06:17 redtooth wrote: Sorry to the Bisu fans... but this OSL belongs to the Insurance Terran.
My Dream bracket: Bisu > Best Fantasy > Luxury Hwasin > Hero Jaedong > Stork
then Bisu > fantasy Hwasin > Jaedong
then Hwasin > Bisu
Hwasin finally overcomes the stigma of "Insurance Terran" and destroys Bisu for his first OSL, dashing any bonjwa dreams in the process. THAT, my friends, is more epic than any [Bisu>Jaedong] final you will ever see.
The fat kid who got pushed around during recess and was called names by the handsome kid, who grows up and works in a cubicle for said handsome kid, who comes in one day with a revolver and pops that handsome kid in the face. The perfect comeback story.
I would REALLY love to see that happen, but I just don't know if Hwasin has it in him :\
That would be my dream OSL hehehe... Hwasin or Stork for the repeat is what I want.
But any bracket with Bisu losing in the finals would be enough.
as long as Bisu/Best takes the whole tournament, i'm fine with that. I'm also kinda happy for fantasy, he's not the next flash but he provided good results for someone who's seen as an "overrated" player.
DAMN I JUST REALIZED IM TURNING INTO ONE OF THOSE STRANGE SKT FAN CREATURES!!!*%&"+*
On February 28 2009 11:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Stork/Jaedong
Return of the King Sin Chupung-Ryeong Tears of the Moon
...well Stork better win the first 2!
Well if stork somehow manages to win against jaedong it would be one of those greatest WTF moments in starcraft.
lol not really. stork has beaten jaedong in a series before. jaedong is the favorite since it's his zvp vs stork's pvz, but still, it wouldn't be that much of a surprise.
On February 28 2009 11:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Stork/Jaedong
Return of the King Sin Chupung-Ryeong Tears of the Moon
...well Stork better win the first 2!
Well if stork somehow manages to win against jaedong it would be one of those greatest WTF moments in starcraft.
lol not really. stork has beaten jaedong in a series before. jaedong is the favorite since it's his zvp vs stork's pvz, but still, it wouldn't be that much of a surprise.
whath appened to ur blue?
and ur like the biggest khan fan ever seriosuly ;P
Luxury or by.hero for an osl title would please me . On one hand i think Luxury should make at least the finals . He made the semifinals twise or so ? Or by.hero because he is the next in line for the zerg royal road which only great zergs have achieved - July Savior and Jaedong , and he is a strong candidate if he somehow gets past his teammate and doesn't end up facing Jaedong .
Bisu > Best Fantasy > Lux - I like both these guys but Fantasy is just so cool. Also, the winner plays Bisu/Best right? I wanna see Fantasy/Bisu play Hero > Hwasin - I have no clue. I don't know how good Hero is, I have no clue who is gonna win this. I'm just gonna say Hero Stork > Jaedong - Do I hear whispers of a Jaedong/Bisu final? Screw that. Finals is gonna be Stork vs Bisu
semis Bisu > Fantasy - The 5 games will add up to 5 hours of gameplay! Stork > Hero
finals Bisu > Stork - Legend says Bisu sold his PvZ for a PvT that can beat Flash. Nonono, he sold his PvZ for a PvP that can easily 3-0 Stork
On March 02 2009 08:57 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: I think it's an accomplishment in itself that Stork is seemingly overcoming the curse, no?
Not really, his form has kinda dropped in the WL. Jaedong also made it to Bacchus Ro8 before getting knocked out by Flash. Flash made it to EVER Ro8 before getting knocked out by Luxury.
Bisu should beat Best but considering that they are teammates it should be close. Hero v Hwasin a flipp coin I would say Lux Beats Fantasy JD ofcourse beats Stork.
Best > Bisu - but could go either way. I'll give the slightest of edges due to his ridiculously good pvp.
Hero > Hwasin - Hwasin's TvZ has been looking lazy to me lately. He looks a bit too confident in the matchup and I think he's cutting corners. Hero has shown some impressive results as of late in ZvT and with everyone expecting Hwasin to win, I think the upset is on.
Luxury > Fantasy - I think Fantasy's TvZ lacks. Zergs seem to be more comfortable against his mech play now; forcing him back to the more standard bio play which really doesn't inspire confidence (as his <50% vs Z record suggests). I actually believe Lux will win this pretty easily unless Fantasy can pull a really tailored build. If Fantasy plays straight up, Lux will prevail easily imo.
JD > Stork - Stork's PvZ is capable of winning here, but I really doubt it will. Everyone knows about Stork's PvZ weakness and JD is the zerg who will expose it to the greatest degree. I wouldn't write the defending champ off completely, but this looks like the easiest win of the night.
Made a blog about my thoughts because I don't really like posting somewhat good substance in the middle of a thread which just gets lost in the shuffle.
Stork needs to consult Much for a build of some kind again like he did v. Fantasy and v. Best.
Even then, Stork's probably going to fail.
Predictions:
Macro > Micro -> You can probably guess what matchup this is. Best's macro is just absolutely insane, that's how he turns a game around. Also take note that Best did technically have an absolutely ridiculous PvP tear until he ran into Stork. Best only has the slightest of the slightest of edges for in PvP's, shuttle control is emphasized and Best's shuttle control, well, let's just say he needs improvement.
Hero > Hwasin-> Hero has been on fire lately, but so has Hwasin. But I'm sensing that Hero is going to pull something here.
Luxury > Fantasy- Fantasy just can't seem to play bio very effectively and mech is going to lose the element of surprise that it had when Fantasy faced GGPlay. Luxury will win this one and advance into yet ANOTHER Ro4.
Jaedong > Stork- Stork's PvZ isn't really horrific/terrible yet it still leaves something to be desired (as can be seen with "KWANROOOLLLEEDD"). Jaedong has a great ZvP record and will take advantage of any errors Stork makes. Adding those two together, Stork's run for a repeat will end here.
My predictions with random percentages, based on my personal opinion of the players strength:
Bisu > Best
Bisu is the top protoss player right now by far. Bests PvP is ridiculously good though, it could still be close. 70% chance for Bisu winning though
Luxury > Fantasy
Luxury has been the second best Zerg for a long time. Fantasy has gotten a lot worse since losing to Stork. 70% Luxury.
By.Hero < Hwasin
Hwasin is hot right now, and TvZ has always been his strength, hero doesn't really stand a chance. 90% Hwasin
Jaedong > Stork
Stork hasn't been as good as he can be (OSL curse?), he might've been practicing just for this, who knows . Jaedong going strong at the moment. 75% Jaedong.
Bisu > Luxury
Semi-finals, the series get closer, but not this one. Bisu is just too hot 70% for him again.
Hwasin = Jaedong
This series is 50:50 to be honest, I can't decide. When I need to liquibet this, I will flip a coin.
Jaedong > Bisu Bisu > Hwasin
Whatever will happen in Hwasin vs Jaedong, this will happen in the final series. Bisu vs Hwasin 60%, Jaedong vs Bisu 55%
Anyway, I personally want to see a Lux vs Hwasin finals because watching Luxury play zvt is ridiculously exciting, but he'll get slaughtered by Bisu and Hwasin will get slaughtered by Jaedong. Then Jaedong 3-2 Bisu and I go home happy.
COME ON BEST! Of course even if Best loses, we could still see By.Hero knock out Bisu...AGAIN! lol, that would be fantastic. I think By.Hero and Luxury will make it out of their groups, but have no chance against Bisu, Best, JD, or Stork . But man, things looking good this year for Luxury, I think he has a good shot in the MSL, poor guy could make it to two finals against two protosses! The good news is if he can beat Zero, he will probably end up practicing against protoss for both Starleages (I think).
Hey, if Bisu can make it to the finals, there's a different but cool rivalry story no matter who he faces. There's TaekBang, which is always good, or we could get the continuation of GSL special match awesomeness, or Hwasin's chance to finally overcome the 'insurance' stigma, or finally Bisu versus his new worst enemy by.hero! Go Bisu.
A best versus Luxury rematch would be sick but I would rather not watch Jaedong in the finals against best who sucks against zerg or luxury in a ZvZ. So for good games sake, Bisu better not fuck up after promising everyone to do better. I maen Jaedong is really bad at defence and macro right...?
On March 04 2009 12:19 EternaLEnVy wrote: A best versus Luxury rematch would be sick but I would rather not watch Jaedong in the finals against best who sucks against zerg or luxury in a ZvZ. So for good games sake, Bisu better not fuck up after promising everyone to do better. I maen Jaedong is really bad at defence and macro right...?
I'm feeling it... the fastest finals in the Starleagues history! Yeah, that would be kind of lame. On the other hand, Best vs Jaedong finals would be pretty cool. We already saw what July did to BeSt, now should see what Jaedong could do to him.
On March 03 2009 07:44 imperfect wrote: i'd prefer Bisu vs Hwasin finals, but really, after hearing that bisu vs jd series was awesome, i want a repeat.
apparently game 5 was a big disappointment ^.-v
and i'm so sad for teammates facing each other.. it must create an awkward environment.
Bisu vs Hwasin finals would be so sick. But really only if Bisu lost.
Bisu > Best -> Bisu playing the best SC of his career, Best is... meh... lately, but its PvP and inter-team, anything can happen.
Luxury > Fantasy -> Fantasy showed signs of brilliance, but I'm not so impressed Hwasin > Hero -> Experience adv: hwasin, but again, inter-team... Jaedong > Stork -> I have a feeling it will go to 3 games regardless if Tears of the moon is there or not, and that Jaedong will prevail, there'll probably be an epic game and a yawn rape game in this series.
then
Bisu > Luxury Hwasin ? jaedong -> I seriously can't call this, maybe jaedong 60/40, but it's Hwasin's TvZ, unless hwasin doesn't choke, expecting a great series
and then
Bisu > Hwasin/Jaedong -> Bisu vs any of the 2 in the finals would be epic given the hype and previous rivalries (and assuming Hwasin doesn't choke)
How is Hwasin in term of style? Is his persona similar to Leta or Flash, or different altogether? Looking at his stats, he seems like a good TvZ matchup. Has this been consistent throughout his career or is it more of a recent accomplishment?
How awesome would it be for Hwasin if it was him vs Bisu in the finals and he actually won it. That would have to be the ultimate finals experience for him I suppose.
On March 07 2009 00:39 lvldvl wrote: How is Hwasin in term of style? Is his persona similar to Leta or Flash, or different altogether? Looking at his stats, he seems like a good TvZ matchup. Has this been consistent throughout his career or is it more of a recent accomplishment?
he is very good vs z and has been that way throughout his career. as for his persona, it's harder to say but he seems like an alright guy. i.e. even after he was called out by bisu as 'insurance' he kept his cool and replied with a comeback similar to "will i be his insurance or his poison? i guess we'll have to wait and see." so he's a pretty witty fellow and unfortunately he lost against bisu after that exchange (so he was insurance).
On March 07 2009 00:39 lvldvl wrote: How is Hwasin in term of style? Is his persona similar to Leta or Flash, or different altogether? Looking at his stats, he seems like a good TvZ matchup. Has this been consistent throughout his career or is it more of a recent accomplishment?
hwasin goes bio more than leta and flash, from what i noticed.
On March 13 2009 00:25 JohnBall wrote: Com'on, Jaedong can't win against Bisu and lose against Stork... can he? dun dun dun duuuun.
If he pulls shit like what he did vs. Free, then sure he can. I swear the guy has some impeccable timing/unit control, but sometimes just does things that make you go "huh?"
On March 07 2009 00:39 lvldvl wrote: How is Hwasin in term of style? Is his persona similar to Leta or Flash, or different altogether? Looking at his stats, he seems like a good TvZ matchup. Has this been consistent throughout his career or is it more of a recent accomplishment?
Hwasin has a unique TvZ, especially his early game (he does 2 rax a lot more often than other players, and loves to rush with his first couple marines even with a 1 rax cc).
Personally I'd love to see a Hwasin vs Jaedong final, since Hwasin always makes epic TvZ's (check out his recent TvZ's, they're all good 20+ minute games) and every single time these guys played each other, the outcomes were generally unpredictable, making for great games.
oh boy I just realised how extremely likely Jaedong v Bisu finals are now.
Cause there is nooo way by.hero can beat Jaedong in a best of 5, Hwasin would have been the more dangerous enemy and Bisu v Fantasy will also probably be pretty one sided. So yeah looking forward to an epic Bisu vs Jaedong final!!! This is gonna kick way more ass than the Gom special event Hopefully Jaedong will win again