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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
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disciple
9070 Posts
On February 27 2009 05:29 Archaic wrote: Threads like these make me feel even stupider being a fan of both sAviOr and Bisu. | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
Most of you here talk a lot bout how players have gotten way better since savior reing but beside a few like Jaedong Flash, etc.. This isnt too true. You all tend to talk about SaviOr losing his confidence but the thing is if you really know where to look MJY was more about focus than confidence, as a matter of fact he has NEVER, NEVER been a person that stands out because of his confidence. Why? Read his early interviews, we started to know THE MAESTRO, THE HITLER ZERG, we WANTED a villain, starcraft needed a villain so we created one. The dark look, the silent face, etc.. We all assumed MJY was the "bad guy" of starcraft. We got deceived. When MJY got into CJ house he wasnt a quiet guy, he was cheerful,he liked to talk, a lot, to everybody. But they put him on Xellos room, not someone thats know to be a chatty guy. Just remember the "Xellos face" MJY even said one time that he tought about quitting because he felt lonely on a proteam. But we didnt see that boy. We saw a BONJWA that crushed every other player without even smiling. He didnt smile because he was confident. He didnt smile because he was nervous. Thats why he covers his eyes. Thats why he needs people to tell him how nice he looks on expensive clothes. I wanted to elaborate more on this point but maybe some othe time. Thanks for reading | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On February 27 2009 01:56 Pioneer wrote: Reach has great PvT what are you talking about? And when Reach was dreadful at PvZ was when Zerg's were thought to have a significant advantage over Protoss and we're running wild ZvP. Watch Reach's recent PvZ's now that he's got some of his former self back and see how well he plays with a standard strong PvZ opening. Lol. His PvZ is bad ( for a pro obviously ) for ages. I mean it is fun to watch him, i love him but he is fucking horrid and terribad. Honestea used the expression " 2003 vintage " for Reach's pvz and i totally agree with him. When i say that his PvT is meh it means that he isn't the favourite vs a semi decent terran whereas i think he can take a game of almost all the protoss players ( hell watch his game vs Stork or how he pwned the young Lecaf Toss ). PvP is a match up with a lot of gamble and mind games and i think that is why an old and experienced player like Reach can still produce some great games whereas his mechanics are a bit rusty compared to newer pro. | ||
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On February 26 2009 21:37 monstar123 wrote: WTF are u talking about ? Savior is bonjwa. How can he lose his throne ? Boxer - is nott deserves to be bonjwa. He is father of SC. He deserves to be one more than anyone. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
but one point I dont think Savior game is just a shadow of his 05-07 self whereas his 05-07 kick ass Savior was the absolute shit at all things assrape this savior seems to play his games on a knives edge regarding Plexa's post on the first page, i wholeheartedly agree Savior was known for his perfect unit compostions and his immaculate timings He always knew what to have, when The savior now is a much more "raw" gamer We are witnessing a savior much more primal and instinctive than the polished savior of 05-07 Give him time folks IPXzerg will rise again give him time | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
I was one of several who predicted he would make it to the round of 8. Not like anyone will be passing the torch anytime soon. | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
Still I'm sad to see him amongst the "decent" players. I liked Savior most of all the Bonjwas, as his style was no less dominant but consisted of always walking the edge to surmount a lead. Made for such nailbiters back then (Iris game 5 anyone?). With Boxer the fun was in wondering what freaky build he had cooked up this time- with Nada how many tanks he'd fill the screen with and Oov how many tanks he'd fill the screen with in under 10 minutes  . | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
I'll just try to shortly repeat the main points: - while Savior revolutionized macro timing, it's only one of the things he excelled at and reducing him to timing is inadequate. - Savior didn't live on the edge during his bonjwa career. He always tried to avoid big risks in his games and would routinely build more sunkens than most other Zergs. The reason we remember him as such a risky player is because his greatest games are those where his opponent brought him to the brink of defeat and managed to force him to abandon his usual, relatively safe style. - Savior had qualities that I don't think we've seen matched since. I don't think there's a single player in the history of progaming that could rival his talent for battle tactics (meaning the side of micro that is strategical, not mechanic) and he was definitely one of the smartest guys ever to play this game. - I think the beauty of Savior's game is best summed up by the fact that if an opponent gave Savior only a little room to breathe, he was doomed. Everything in Savior's game made sense, had a purpose and was concentrated towards the moment where Terran or Protoss would walk out of his base, ready to be crushed. The mixture of macro (ie timing and making good macro decisions), anticipating what his opponent was going to do and engaging him in the best way possible was what made him so singular. We remember Savior mostly for his dominating macro in games like Superfight game 2 vs Boxer, but if you go back, there are a lot of games he wins purely by making a smart decision. Battle tactics is one of the most underappreciated skills in the BW community imho. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
It's one of my favourite Savior games and I think it's another example that the best Savior moments were those where he was thrown off his usual game and put into a tough spot (in which he excelled like no other, the guy used to be incredibly clutch). | ||
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simfarm
Ireland75 Posts
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
savior vs daezang was not risky play on saviors side, it was just him defending an unscouted 4 gate all-in by pulling stuff outta his ass and killing the zealots. I remember that game thinking "wow even for savior this will be impossible" when daezang moved out for the attack, but somehow savior held. | ||
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BalliSLife
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Ichigo1234551
United States649 Posts
![[image loading]](http://aycu40.webshots.com/image/17679/2005035041333884476_rs.jpg) 23 November 1987 -- 25 February 2009 Goodnight Sweet Prince | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
I'm the exact same way with IntoTheRainBOw and I thoroughly believe he will rise up out of nowhere and win a few starleagues and become the first true protoss bonjwa. I just hope Savior fans realize that the anti-fans are just as important as the hardcore fans. It's what makes progaming feel really dramatic and real. Just as you hate FBH when he destroys Savior, I hated Savior when he beat my favourite players. | ||
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eatmyshorts5
United States1530 Posts
If savior looks at this as a turn around and not a sinking ship i believe he can do it. There are a couple of starleagues around the corner. And 2009 is far from over.... | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
It may be too late this time, but I want to see some e-hustle next MSL, Savior! Drop and give us a 20-game win streak! | ||
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eatmyshorts5
United States1530 Posts
On February 27 2009 11:28 Zozma wrote: Savior still has the seed. It may be too late this time, but I want to see some e-hustle next MSL, Savior! Drop and give us a 20-game win streak! 20-game win streak o.O Sounds more like a double starleague sweep. Everybody thinks that saviors comeback will come back immediately, but regaining strength is a gradual thing, once a new batch of starleagues come around the corner and savior continue his extensive training, i think he will be ready to win a star league or two. | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
On February 27 2009 06:26 Monsen wrote: It's true- Savior never excelled at ZvZ- that's probably why his time of dominance was when every other Zerg got killed off by Terrans. FFS he could compite with fucking CHOJJA and he beat Silver. And while he lost the final to Chojja he won their next games. | ||
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