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Inspired by this thread I thought i'd make a poll for TL's offical predictons on who the next rookie -> superstars of each race are going to be for 2009
I LOVE PACHI
I didnt put effort in the poll because he is already good and would have raped this poll like skyhigh
Poll: No.1 up and comming Zerg?
(Vote): Hoejja
(Vote): Creep
(Vote): Devil
(Vote): Terror
(Vote): type-b
(Vote): Great
(Vote): ZerO
(Vote): Roro
(Vote): Feelway
(Vote): Juni
(Vote): Shine[Kal]
(Vote): Hyvaa
Poll: No.1 up and comming Protoss?
(Vote): Snow
(Vote): Stats
(Vote): Movie
(Vote): Tazza
(Vote): Horang2
(Vote): NonY
(Vote): Young
(Vote): Han
(Vote): M18M
(Vote): Herb
(Vote): Shuttle
(Vote): Tempest
Poll: No.1 up and comming Terran?
(Vote): MVP
(Vote): Skyhigh
(Vote): Koala
(Vote): SaiR
(Vote): Miracle
(Vote): Puma
(Vote): Barracks
(Vote): Notice
(Vote): Bogus
(Vote): BByong
(Vote): Last
(Vote): Idra
Yes i made the polls with real rookies this time 
Intresting to see
Poll: If there was going to be a 7th dragon, who would it be
(Vote): Pusan
(Vote): Sangho
(Vote): Tempest
(Vote): Backho
(Vote): Anytime
(Vote): Much
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MrHoon
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now this is a much better post scara~!
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Stats (misclicked on nony, still a good choice though)
SaiR
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Wait, why isn't Effort in the poll?
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much better.
watch out for horang2 he's got tiger balls
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On December 27 2008 01:34 Shikyo wrote:
Wait, why isn't Effort in the poll?
I didnt consider him a rookie
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thedeadhaji
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 type-b
 han
don't know about terran,  IdrA
I don't know why you guys wouldn't vote for han; did you guys see his games vs Rock and Jaedong?
Also, is Violet a rookie? I noticed him when he vs Light in Plasma.
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No EffOrt or keke(my pick) ? = [
I already called keke next big thing, and I still believe ^___^;;
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On December 27 2008 01:35 Scaramanga wrote:I didnt consider him a rookie
Zero's played in Proleague since 2007, Effort's first PL game was in June of 2008. How exactly is he not a rookie?
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On December 27 2008 01:35 thedeadhaji wrote:
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Except maybe Nony.
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I consider someone a rookie when;
1) They have not played a game in the year previous before it (2007)
2) They have not made the major leagues (Ro16 for OSL or Ro32 for MSL)
So ZerO, not a rookie.
EffOrt, technically yes I guess.
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On December 27 2008 01:36 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2008 01:35 Scaramanga wrote:On December 27 2008 01:34 Shikyo wrote:
Wait, why isn't Effort in the poll? I didnt consider him a rookie Zero's played in Proleague since 2007, Effort's first PL game was in June of 2008. How exactly is he not a rookie?
Pachi ruled that he wasnt a rookie, pachi knows his shit hence no effort in the poll
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On December 27 2008 01:38 GTR-2-Go wrote:
I consider someone a rookie when;
1) They have not played a game in the year previous before it (2007)
2) They have not made the major leagues (Ro16 for OSL or Ro32 for MSL)
So ZerO, not a rookie.
EffOrt, technically yes I guess.
Horang2 is not a rookie?
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On December 27 2008 01:40 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2008 01:38 GTR-2-Go wrote:
I consider someone a rookie when;
1) They have not played a game in the year previous before it (2007)
2) They have not made the major leagues in the previous year (2008) (Ro16 for OSL or Ro32 for MSL)
So ZerO, not a rookie.
EffOrt, technically yes I guess. Horang2 is not a rookie?
Fixed ;s
Technically the MSL hasn't started yet so he is technically classed as a rookie.
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Okay... that EffOrt thing still makes no sense. Even if a rookie plays well, he should still be considered a rookie. *sighs* Otherwie none of the names will be anything big if you cut all the good rookies off.
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go NonY.
I don't know the rest, or I think they all suck  .
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On December 27 2008 01:35 thedeadhaji wrote:
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Note: I really believe in NonY, not just picking him because he is a foreigner
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I pretty much used the guidelines that gtr said execpt i went a few months before 2008 for the players first games, and also if i thought that a few players like effort are already good players and considered not rookies
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Hmm okay, well Effort would probably have steamrolled the poll anyway.
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A better question might be "who are the rising stars of 2008"? It's not as simple as it might seem and 2008's been a long year.
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The zerg poll is irrelevant. Any performance by any rookie will be out-shined by maGma.
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movie is going to be the next big thing ;o
edit: wait where is sangho?
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sKyHigh
by.hero
I really don't know by.hero was not in the poll but the new legend killer took out boxer to make it to ro32 in GOM and made it through both offlines prelims this season. He qualified for MSL, but has a tough OSL path having to face Ruby zvt and Bisu zvp he will almost surely get knocked out. However, I do think he will show some skill in proleague and make his mark in the individual leagues this year.
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Terror
Tazza
SaiR
These are few of the ones I've actually seen playing, not too impressed right now but I do believe they all have a fair shot at something, especially Terror.
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I'm I the only one who thinks that Skyhigh is overhyped?
I think the new hope for terran is definitely Leta.
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why was hero not up there for zerg..?
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On December 27 2008 02:10 Arrian wrote:The zerg poll is irrelevant. Any performance by any rookie will be out-shined by maGma.
wtf? Magma is terrible. Zero, Calm, and Effort are better zergs than him easily.
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On December 27 2008 02:49 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2008 02:10 Arrian wrote:The zerg poll is irrelevant. Any performance by any rookie will be out-shined by maGma. wtf? Magma is terrible. Zero, Calm, and Effort are better zergs than him easily.
nearly every single tler has jumped the Magma bandwagon after Idra told us that he dominates people in practice games and just has to overcome his nerves to become the next top league player.
hope he is able to show his true side, if it really is that great,
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i wonder why NonY is winning the P poll but IdrA is not winning the T poll
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On December 27 2008 03:07 GrandInquisitor wrote:
i wonder why NonY is winning the P poll but IdrA is not winning the T poll
lol I know what you mean but
is there any other likeable protoss right now? half of those names are just unknowns with a few proleague wins/losses here and there, the terrans do have a few more familiar names like SkyHigh & SaiR.
and NonY is far more likeable anyway <3
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On December 27 2008 02:49 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2008 02:10 Arrian wrote:The zerg poll is irrelevant. Any performance by any rookie will be out-shined by maGma. wtf? Magma is terrible. Zero, Calm, and Effort are better zergs than him easily.
It was sarcasm, which evidently failed. His game against Hwasin was impressive, though. And I remember reading somewhere that maGma was said to be as good as Jaedong, but couldn't get over his nerves. Anyway, I still laugh whenever I see his name in the eStro lineup.
I still think great isn't getting enough attention. I remember watching his games against Mind in the Classic season 1 and thinking that he was going to bust out. I'm kind of still waiting for it to happen.
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On December 27 2008 03:07 GrandInquisitor wrote:
i wonder why NonY is winning the P poll but IdrA is not winning the T poll
What are you implying XD?
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Man the future sure is looking grim for zerg going by this list. :/ Apart from EffOrt that is, but he isn't on the list so. Skyhigh and Movie for T/P, CJ powah.\o/
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Looks like poll bias to me
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where is effort lol
a rookie is a rookie no matter how good you are haha, just as derrick rose is still a rookie. whatever.
terran: skyhigh
protoss: NONY!
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On December 27 2008 03:04 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2008 02:49 Fontong wrote:On December 27 2008 02:10 Arrian wrote:The zerg poll is irrelevant. Any performance by any rookie will be out-shined by maGma. wtf? Magma is terrible. Zero, Calm, and Effort are better zergs than him easily. nearly every single tler has jumped the Magma bandwagon after Idra told us that he dominates people in practice games and just has to overcome his nerves to become the next top league player. hope he is able to show his true side, if it really is that great, Magma was known for being a dominant player in practice loooong before Idra went to Korea.
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I really don't feel like any of these players are going to break out in 2009. t-t
On December 27 2008 01:35 thedeadhaji wrote:
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Effort is the obvious choice for Z IMO, for T and P i can't really tell.. but one can always hope for nony and idra 
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Zerg: ZerO
Terran: Bogus
Protoss: sOo ...i cant believe you dont have sOo on your list...unless he has a different nick that im not aware off which is possible
Nony cause hes on the list and has got talent :D
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On December 27 2008 06:20 StalinRusH wrote:
Zerg: ZerO
Terran: Bogus
Protoss: sOo ...i cant believe you dont have sOo on your list...unless he has a different nick that im not aware off which is possible
Nony cause hes on the list and has got talent :D
dude... Soo is there since 2004 ;]
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Zero has been in 2 starleagues already, 3 if you count GOM.
If he is on that poll, effort should be.
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thezerg has been around for more than two years o_o
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On December 27 2008 09:44 lgdDante wrote:
Zero has been in 2 starleagues already, 3 if you count GOM.
If he is on that poll, effort should be.
Gom not counted, starleauge i counted as past ro16
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great, nony, mvp hands down
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On December 27 2008 09:49 OneOther wrote:thezerg has been around for more than two years o_o
Thezerg has been around for ageeeeeeees he just did 2v2's mainly before they abolished it.
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No just no :S
This isn't Nba ... Aside from Effort I don't think anyone will be ever sucessful
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effort movie and skyhigh
dont you just love cj :D
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Nony, but on a serious note, Movie.
that kid was on a 4-0 streak before becoming Anytimes bitch.
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Zerg: Type - B, iirc, he has one great ZvT..
Protoss: Movie
Terran: Skyhigh
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I guess effort doesn't count else it be an all cj love fest.
effort by.move skyhigh
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snow
the guys like 14 and got moved to the a team 3 months after he was drafted
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On December 27 2008 11:54 IdrA wrote:
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the guys like 14 and got moved to the a team 3 months after he was drafted
Yeah he was voted in a kespa poll that he was one of the best new rookies
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On December 27 2008 10:45 darkemperor wrote:
No just no :S
This isn't Nba ... Aside from Effort I don't think anyone will be ever sucessful
Yeah because no one ever breaks through in starcraft. That's why the last MSL was Boxer vs Xellos right.
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backho for 7th dragon? the reputation of the dragons would definitely go down
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I am really glad zero is now first for the zergs. He definitely has one of the most potentials on that list.
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Hoejja is so overhyped. He just got lucky in his GSL brackets and managed to make it to the Ro16 without facing any remarkable opponets. I would (sadly) expect almost any Professional Zerg to beat Much lately.
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seems weird maGma not even being on the poll, with everyone talking about him so much
and pardon the noob for asking, what does 7th dragon mean ?
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On December 27 2008 15:46 Ideas wrote:
Hoejja is so overhyped. He just got lucky in his GSL brackets and managed to make it to the Ro16 without facing any remarkable opponets. I would (sadly) expect almost any Professional Zerg to beat Much lately.
He did beat Firebathero as well. Plus, the poll is asking who people think will improve to become a superstar, obviously none of the players up there is already playing at that level.
Oh and he did face Pure in GOM as well. He may not be S - class but he's no pushover for your average progamer.
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On December 27 2008 15:46 Ideas wrote:
Hoejja is so overhyped. He just got lucky in his GSL brackets and managed to make it to the Ro16 without facing any remarkable opponets. I would (sadly) expect almost any Professional Zerg to beat Much lately.
The win vs much wasnt the one that made hoejja hyped. It was the win vs FBH.
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On December 27 2008 15:46 Ideas wrote:
Hoejja is so overhyped. He just got lucky in his GSL brackets and managed to make it to the Ro16 without facing any remarkable opponets. I would (sadly) expect almost any Professional Zerg to beat Much lately.
I agree. As a KTF fan, I'm glad he's winning but so far we've only seen a couple of his ZvP games and none of them went into late game so we don't know if he's a well rounded player or not. I hope him getting raped by Bisu motivated him to train much harder. I'll believe he's the next big Zerg if he passes his OSL group (which isn't gonna happen).
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Do you guys seriosly think that nony is the "up and coming superstar"? I mean he just got into korea.
Though i dont know how much these other guys have played compared to nony so it might be right anyways.
Anyways my pick for protoss was Tazza
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I could only vote on the zerg/toss: ZerO/Movie.
I think SkyHigh is mostly hype, I don't see greatness.
Who's hoejja anyway...?
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On December 27 2008 16:06 MuR)Ernu wrote:
Do you guys seriosly think that nony is the "up and coming superstar"? I mean he just got into korea.
Though i dont know how much these other guys have played compared to nony so it might be right anyways.
Anyways my pick for protoss was Tazza
The other guys have mostly played a bit in proleague, Nony doesn't have his progaming license yet. I daresay it's probably a bit of wishful thinking/fanboyism driving these polls as Nony is the only one up there likely to look at this poll.
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On December 27 2008 16:08 Cambium wrote:
I could only vote on the zerg/toss: ZerO/Movie.
I think SkyHigh is mostly hype, I don't see greatness.
Who's hoejja anyway...?
Hes a KTF zerg who has beaten much, darkelf and FBH so hes fairly hyped,
No wonder he has fucking sick ZvZ and ZvT he has flash and lux to train with, if only stats and him sat down and churned out like 100 games and then we'd have a good protoss and good zerg
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Nony next protoss for sure, looks like hes gonna pass courage
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On December 27 2008 16:06 MuR)Ernu wrote:
Do you guys seriosly think that nony is the "up and coming superstar"? I mean he just got into korea.
Though i dont know how much these other guys have played compared to nony so it might be right anyways.
Anyways my pick for protoss was Tazza
Did you see the video of him in courage... he lost for 1 small mistake... to be honest with u .. he had the game man 
1st try and he got 2nd place
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Effort.. I think will be really dominant in the future. Maybe even better than what Jaedong is.
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Zerg: I have great faith in EffOrt, but since he wasn't on the list, I voted type-b. HoeJJa looks really good too, but type-b seems like the kind of zerg who does kind of average/poor, only showing some sparks of brilliance from time to time, and then suddenly one day he founds the missing piece in his game and becomes dominant. This guy, either will just fade into nothingness, not even staying an average zerg, or he will find a way to boost his game into something better than Lux or yarnc ever were.
Protoss: Movie is going to be pretty good, but not good enough to be one of the Dragons, so to speak. It would be great if he did, but right now, I don't see that happening. Horang2 is my choice.
Terran: sKyHigh plays so sloppy, makes those little mistakes here and there, and still he manages to win at the end. He has shown great Sense, and even had a little bit of that luck that comes with greatness, which is the direction his career S.E.S to appoint to.
7th Dragon?
- Pusan: I Love this guy, but that recklessness that is given by being the Spirit is a double edged sword. It is at times his greatest virtue, but sometimes his biggest flaw, one that makes me not to consider him a possible 7th dragon.
- Tempest: This guy is like a Rock with more finesse. I hope he becomes better than Rock, but he is not a candidate for the 7th dragon, not by a long shot.
- BackHo: I just can't make my mind about this guy. His weirdo Style sometimes makes me think that if polished, he could become that much needed Protoss for Lecaf, but sometimes he is just desperating. But just the fact that he zizi Yo'd like an idiot beforehand, disqualifies him as a dragon.
- Anytime: in his prime, he would have been the obvious choice. Now, although not doing bad, no way.
- Much: if he kept the level he showed couple of months ago, he would have been the 7th dragon, the Wise Elder Dragon by that, but he is slumping too much, no pun intended.
- SangHo: This guy will be the 7th dragon. While everyone was going crazy around Really, I've always said SangHo is the one that has the potential to become the first ReaL ACE player eSTRO has, even better than UpMagiC Ever was.
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On December 28 2008 13:19 RamenStyle wrote:Zerg: I have great faith in EffOrt, but since he wasn't on the list, I voted type-b. HoeJJa looks really good too, but type-b seems like the kind of zerg who does kind of average/poor, only showing some sparks of brilliance from time to time, and then suddenly one day he founds the missing piece in his game and becomes dominant. This guy, either will just fade into nothingness, not even staying an average zerg, or he will find a way to boost his game into something better than Lux or yarnc ever were. Protoss: Movie is going to be pretty good, but not good enough to be one of the Dragons, so to speak. It would be great if he did, but right now, I don't see that happening. Horang2 is my choice. Terran: sKyHigh plays so sloppy, makes those little mistakes here and there, and still he manages to win at the end. He has shown great Sense, and even had a little bit of that luck that comes with greatness, which is the direction his career S.E.S to appoint to. 7th Dragon? - Pusan: I Love this guy, but that recklessness that is given by being the Spirit is a double edged sword. It is at times his greatest virtue, but sometimes his biggest flaw, one that makes me not to consider him a possible 7th dragon. - Tempest: This guy is like a Rock with more finesse. I hope he becomes better than Rock, but he is not a candidate for the 7th dragon, not by a long shot. - BackHo: I just can't make my mind about this guy. His weirdo Style sometimes makes me think that if polished, he could become that much needed Protoss for Lecaf, but sometimes he is just desperating. But just the fact that he zizi Yo'd like an idiot beforehand, disqualifies him as a dragon. - Anytime: in his prime, he would have been the obvious choice. Now, although not doing bad, no way. - Much: if he kept the level he showed couple of months ago, he would have been the 7th dragon, the Wise Elder Dragon by that, but he is slumping too much, no pun intended. - SangHo: This guy will be the 7th dragon. While everyone was going crazy around Really, I've always said SangHo is the one that has the potential to become the first ReaL ACE player eSTRO has, even better than UpMagiC Ever was.
lol so many un-intended(?) TLPDing.
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On December 28 2008 13:19 RamenStyle wrote:Zerg: I have great faith in EffOrt, but since he wasn't on the list, I voted type-b. HoeJJa looks really good too, but type-b seems like the kind of zerg who does kind of average/poor, only showing some sparks of brilliance from time to time, and then suddenly one day he founds the missing piece in his game and becomes dominant. This guy, either will just fade into nothingness, not even staying an average zerg, or he will find a way to boost his game into something better than Lux or yarnc ever were. Protoss: Movie is going to be pretty good, but not good enough to be one of the Dragons, so to speak. It would be great if he did, but right now, I don't see that happening. Horang2 is my choice. Terran: sKyHigh plays so sloppy, makes those little mistakes here and there, and still he manages to win at the end. He has shown great Sense, and even had a little bit of that luck that comes with greatness, which is the direction his career S.E.S to appoint to. 7th Dragon? - Pusan: I Love this guy, but that recklessness that is given by being the Spirit is a double edged sword. It is at times his greatest virtue, but sometimes his biggest flaw, one that makes me not to consider him a possible 7th dragon. - Tempest: This guy is like a Rock with more finesse. I hope he becomes better than Rock, but he is not a candidate for the 7th dragon, not by a long shot. - BackHo: I just can't make my mind about this guy. His weirdo Style sometimes makes me think that if polished, he could become that much needed Protoss for Lecaf, but sometimes he is just desperating. But just the fact that he zizi Yo'd like an idiot beforehand, disqualifies him as a dragon. - Anytime: in his prime, he would have been the obvious choice. Now, although not doing bad, no way. - Much: if he kept the level he showed couple of months ago, he would have been the 7th dragon, the Wise Elder Dragon by that, but he is slumping too much, no pun intended. - SangHo: This guy will be the 7th dragon. While everyone was going crazy around Really, I've always said SangHo is the one that has the potential to become the first ReaL ACE player eSTRO has, even better than UpMagiC Ever was.
Lol i dont think he relises that the 7th dragon question is a joke poll
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Oh... Ok, I got TLPDizing owned and yes, I thought it was a speculative poll. Although in my defense, the idea of a 7th dragon is not that farfetched :p
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Terran : Skyhigh; not much to explain.
Protoss: Tempest; I believe that if he improve his decision making he can become really good
Zerg: HoeJJa; I would say obviously Effort if he was in the poll. However, I think HoeJJa has a potential even though he got totally dismantled by Bisu in GOM...
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Actually, the bump is for the end of the year review on how the predictions came out. And it looks like it turned out pretty well. Zero was did the best of the 10 zergs and increased his lifetime win rate 10% over the course of 2009.
Discounting Nony (due to bias) Movie turned out pretty well, and the other new Protoss blood isn't in the poll.
Terran is not nearly as good as it looked because Skyhight was in Gom Season 2's semis and had qualified for MST at the time, if anything I would call him a disappointment. I can't think of any exceptional new terran this year though, the closest would be Fantasy but he had just lost to Stork in the Incruit OSL.
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Backhoo. Just put Backho as the 7th dragon
Edit: My ninja edit came before I saw your post >:D
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Nice ninja edit @ above T_T
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I consider Effort a rookie and he had a much more successful year than Zero, so...
practically CJ won the rookie--> superstar for 2009!
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I don't understand the reasoning for not having Effort up there.
Pretty much CJ line up for the rookies though.
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Stupidly not realizing that this poll was a year old, I voted in it. I was also about to write a post commenting how unbelievable it is that people would pick Hoejja over type-B and Shine.
Then I scrolled down and saw the "old post." GG me.
Anyhow, yeah, this poll was actually rather accurate, a bit surprising in the case of Movie since IMO he was an absolute nobody at that time (with the only match-up he performed remotely decently in being PvZ). Now Movie is probably the top up-and-coming Protoss, with Violet being the only other contender.
SkyHigh was already looking strong around this time and Zero I'm pretty sure was actually in MSL at that time.
As for the 7th dragon, that poll kind of flopped seeing as how Protoss players started crumbling again in 2009. But if there was one, maybe BackHo. A lot of people hate him for knocking out better players (like Bisu, Jaedong...) and then losing to garbage, but he made it pretty deep into leagues a few times in recent memory. By contrast, I recall Much as already starting to slump.
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wow, with the exception of effort, this was really spot on. It also seems that only a very few of those players were really successful (with the exception of the zerg players). There sure isn't much room at the top.
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wtf
You have to be shitting me, skyhigh may not be as monstrous now as he used to be, but he was fucking good. Don't tell me you don't remember his reverse all-kill on hwaseung in the winner's league. Even if all the players weren't stellar, it's hard to win just one game when your team is down 0-3 and you have to win 4 in a row with JAEDONG as your first opponent. The pressure must have been enormous.
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On December 24 2009 05:52 ghostWriter wrote:
wtf
why bump a year old thread lol
On December 24 2009 05:11 wswordsmen wrote:
Actually, the bump is for the end of the year review on how the predictions came out.
Makes perfect sense to me.
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On December 24 2009 05:54 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 05:52 ghostWriter wrote:
wtf
why bump a year old thread lol Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 05:11 wswordsmen wrote:
Actually, the bump is for the end of the year review on how the predictions came out. Makes perfect sense to me.
nice one ghostwriter
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Maybe someone should remake this poll for predictions for next year?
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On December 24 2009 05:55 Grobyc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 05:54 Southlight wrote:On December 24 2009 05:52 ghostWriter wrote:
wtf
why bump a year old thread lol On December 24 2009 05:11 wswordsmen wrote:
Actually, the bump is for the end of the year review on how the predictions came out. Makes perfect sense to me. nice one ghostwriter
lolol I changed it after I reread op, before he said that
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On December 24 2009 05:44 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
Where's Killer/Baxter?
He didn't exist last year
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On December 24 2009 05:52 ghostWriter wrote:
wtf
You have to be shitting me, skyhigh may not be as monstrous now as he used to be, but he was fucking good. Don't tell me you don't remember his reverse all-kill on hwaseung in the winner's league. Even if all the players weren't stellar, it's hard to win just one game when your team is down 0-3 and you have to win 4 in a row with JAEDONG as your first opponent. The pressure must have been enormous.
I'd say Fantasy has been more impressive this year, last month aside. 2 OSL silvers and a semi-final. 2-0 vs Jaedong in proleague finals>reverse all kill vs Oz imo. Oz without Jaedong is a joke so its basically 2 wins against JD vs 1 win against him. But he's #2 on the list for sure, too bad there arnt any other good up and coming terrans.
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On December 24 2009 06:03 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 05:52 ghostWriter wrote:
wtf
You have to be shitting me, skyhigh may not be as monstrous now as he used to be, but he was fucking good. Don't tell me you don't remember his reverse all-kill on hwaseung in the winner's league. Even if all the players weren't stellar, it's hard to win just one game when your team is down 0-3 and you have to win 4 in a row with JAEDONG as your first opponent. The pressure must have been enormous. I'd say Fantasy has been more impressive this year, last month aside. 2 OSL silvers and a semi-final. 2-0 vs Jaedong in proleague finals>reverse all kill vs Oz imo. Oz without Jaedong is a joke so its basically 2 wins against JD vs 1 win against him. But he's #2 on the list for sure, too bad there arnt any other good up and coming terrans.
But fantasy isnt a rookie.
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On December 24 2009 05:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Maybe someone should remake this poll for predictions for next year?
rough list I came up with
terrans:
bogus
last
turn
notice
classic
mvp
zergs:
killer
modesty
crazy-hydra
hydra
chavi
action
protosses:
gosi[flying]
stats
m18m
han
yoon
snow
Any egregious omissions/inclusions? It could probably be padded more.
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I totally support making a new poll for 2010, that is one of the reasons I bumped this poll. The other was the insperation thread was about how wrong the Korean's were (picking Mind 70%), I had expected the same thing.
On December 24 2009 05:52 ghostWriter wrote:
wtf
You have to be shitting me, skyhigh may not be as monstrous now as he used to be, but he was fucking good. Don't tell me you don't remember his reverse all-kill on hwaseung in the winner's league. Even if all the players weren't stellar, it's hard to win just one game when your team is down 0-3 and you have to win 4 in a row with JAEDONG as your first opponent. The pressure must have been enormous.
I wanted to say that Skyhigh was doing well so it wasn't as impressive that the overwhelming majority chose him. I guess I understated how well he did this year.
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On December 24 2009 06:09 huameng wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 05:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Maybe someone should remake this poll for predictions for next year? rough list I came up with terrans: bogus last turn notice classic mvp zergs: killer modesty crazy-hydra hydra chavi action protosses: gosi[flying] stats m18m han yoon snow Any egregious omissions/inclusions? It could probably be padded more.
But Killer Modesty Crazy-Hydra and yoOn debuted in 2007, isn't that too early to be considered rookies in 2010?
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On December 24 2009 06:33 ZBiR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 06:09 huameng wrote:On December 24 2009 05:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Maybe someone should remake this poll for predictions for next year? rough list I came up with terrans: bogus last turn notice classic mvp zergs: killer modesty crazy-hydra hydra chavi action protosses: gosi[flying] stats m18m han yoon snow Any egregious omissions/inclusions? It could probably be padded more. But Killer Modesty Crazy-Hydra and yoOn debuted in 2007, isn't that too early to be considered rookies in 2010?
Rookie in this case is more a player that doesn't play much not someone who started this year. You normally don't see a player on TV for a long time after they go pro (Daniel Lee said it takes about a year).
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What about Killer? 5 win streak and he gets to practice with JD!
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On December 24 2009 06:39 wswordsmen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 06:33 ZBiR wrote:On December 24 2009 06:09 huameng wrote:On December 24 2009 05:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Maybe someone should remake this poll for predictions for next year? rough list I came up with terrans: bogus last turn notice classic mvp zergs: killer modesty crazy-hydra hydra chavi action protosses: gosi[flying] stats m18m han yoon snow Any egregious omissions/inclusions? It could probably be padded more. But Killer Modesty Crazy-Hydra and yoOn debuted in 2007, isn't that too early to be considered rookies in 2010? Rookie in this case is more a player that doesn't play much not someone who started this year. You normally don't see a player on TV for a long time after they go pro (Daniel Lee said it takes about a year).
yeah, that's why I talk about 2007 guys, it's perfectly fine to start in 2008 (that is, even almost 2 years ago for those from january)
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United States10328 Posts
interesting - tempest and stats were in this poll
but not violet! hmmmm
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On December 24 2009 06:07 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 06:03 Chen wrote:On December 24 2009 05:52 ghostWriter wrote:
wtf
You have to be shitting me, skyhigh may not be as monstrous now as he used to be, but he was fucking good. Don't tell me you don't remember his reverse all-kill on hwaseung in the winner's league. Even if all the players weren't stellar, it's hard to win just one game when your team is down 0-3 and you have to win 4 in a row with JAEDONG as your first opponent. The pressure must have been enormous. I'd say Fantasy has been more impressive this year, last month aside. 2 OSL silvers and a semi-final. 2-0 vs Jaedong in proleague finals>reverse all kill vs Oz imo. Oz without Jaedong is a joke so its basically 2 wins against JD vs 1 win against him. But he's #2 on the list for sure, too bad there arnt any other good up and coming terrans. But fantasy isnt a rookie.
It's okay, fantasy's on SKT.
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Zero has topped out. He is a good management zerg but he isn't going to get much better. I think Roro has a chance just because Wemade sends him out so much. Not a bad player at all. Second is Type-B but again it seems like he is topping out.
Protoss is definitely Movie. He's good and he is definitely getting better with each game.
Terran I don't see anyone special
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Impressive. Normally, we never get any predictions right.
But yeah, EffOrt's omission is probably the biggest error of this poll.
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there's no violet in the poll =[
EDIT: nvm, it's an old poll
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Given Effort's omission, this was a pretty good job by TL voters. Zero/Skyhigh/Movie were clearly the best players that were listed this year.
Zero and Movie are self-explanatory, both are top 5 players in their race at the moment for sure, and you could argue that both are as high as #2 (in Zero's case, though Calm and Effort are in the mix) or #3 (in Movie's case, though Kal is probably better).
Skyhigh has been a little off lately but he still won a lot of big games (Winners League obviously and also PL playoffs against Leta) this year and is the #1 PL Terran on CJ, which is a top 4 team for sure. He's also the last Terran to beat Flash in a straight up TvT (on Carthage) and is one hot streak away from re-entering the "top 3 Terrans" discussion. Bogus had a good run at the end of 09 but he didn't do nearly as much over the course of the year.
All in all, pretty good #1 ranks all around.
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Your lack of turn disappoints me.
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I'm confused now... was this poll last year or has this now been edited for this years polls?
Also, wtf, where's Violet?
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i like how nony is almost #1 and inactive for past year
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On December 24 2009 19:14 Sabu113 wrote:
Your lack of turn disappoints me.
Look at OP's date of posting
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On December 24 2009 06:39 wswordsmen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 06:33 ZBiR wrote:On December 24 2009 06:09 huameng wrote:On December 24 2009 05:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Maybe someone should remake this poll for predictions for next year? rough list I came up with terrans: bogus last turn notice classic mvp zergs: killer modesty crazy-hydra hydra chavi action protosses: gosi[flying] stats m18m han yoon snow Any egregious omissions/inclusions? It could probably be padded more. But Killer Modesty Crazy-Hydra and yoOn debuted in 2007, isn't that too early to be considered rookies in 2010? Rookie in this case is more a player that doesn't play much not someone who started this year. You normally don't see a player on TV for a long time after they go pro (Daniel Lee said it takes about a year).
No man i had the same problem with the first one of these i came out with, it was like they had to have debued in the previous year and have less than so many games or else they arnt really rookies
btw violet started like mid 07 he wasnt a rookie when i put this poll out
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