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Question about Goliath Avatar

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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51640 Posts
August 07 2008 09:10 GMT
#1
In VOD's, all other faces/avatars are fine and animating.
Once I've noticed that isn't is the Goliath's. It just shows as a screen of static (and not the cool looking guy).

Why is this?
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
August 07 2008 09:16 GMT
#2
You mean someone disabled the animation for the avatar of the units?

rephrase your questions t_t
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
August 07 2008 09:19 GMT
#3
edit the OP its really confusing.
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
August 07 2008 09:22 GMT
#4
Alternate suggestion: Post a VOD where this effect you describe happens.
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 07 2008 09:24 GMT
#5
MAYBE CUZ UR AUSTRALIAN.

i dont know. never seen that happen o_O
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51640 Posts
August 07 2008 09:37 GMT
#6
well
watch a vod
you know the little advisor chick under the menu?
thats the thing i'm talking about
everyone of them is fine, except the goliath isn't!
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 07 2008 09:43 GMT
#7
thats because the goliath only breaths... its a small animation (nothing significant) and hence difficult to notice 99% of the other avatars have a large animation, well the goliath doesnt!!
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KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
August 07 2008 09:48 GMT
#8
bloody incoherent Australians !
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
August 07 2008 09:49 GMT
#9
Oceania....fight!
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skuj
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States302 Posts
August 07 2008 22:41 GMT
#10
i see what you're talking about, its just static when a goliath is selected instead of showing the avatar.
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Goosey
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States695 Posts
August 07 2008 23:57 GMT
#11
On August 07 2008 18:43 Plexa wrote:
thats because the goliath only breaths... its a small animation (nothing significant) and hence difficult to notice 99% of the other avatars have a large animation, well the goliath doesnt!!


To clear this up a little bit (and I think this is what Plexa is trying to say, so if not sorry for putting words in your mouth )

The encoding in VODs, especially on youtube, is such that they try to calculate areas of the image with movement and only generate new framedata for those areas. You probably have noticed that the encoding works in lots of little 8x8 pixel blocks and sometimes when the OBS moves slowly it looks like the ground jerkily 'shifts', this is because rather then recalculating those pixel blocks they re-use ones from previous frames to achieve better compression.

Ahem, so since the Goliath avatar moves very subtley the compression algorithm tries to use prev-existing blocks in that area. The pre-existing blocks are, of course, the static that appears briefly when you switch units. Unfortunately this static represents a lot of motion so it gets picked up strongly, while the subtle breathing of the goliath does not.

If anyone is more an expert on MPEG-style encoding then me and wants to correct me feel free, I am no expert, but I believe this is what is happening.
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
August 07 2008 23:58 GMT
#12
I always disable unit portraits out of habit to save video card usage from olden times (and its worthless anyways). yea the goliath and the wraith i think don't really move except every 30 seconds or whatever they shift their head, other units like scv pick their nose or growl or whatever.
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skuj
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States302 Posts
August 08 2008 13:49 GMT
#13
goosey that is correct, however what he's referring to is the fact that there is no avatar displayed at all when the goliath is selected. its just white noise/static/snow or whatever you call it. i noticed that after he mentioned it and im curious as to why it happens as well.
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Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
August 08 2008 14:09 GMT
#14
Bloody keyboards! Look like some old fossil got pissed and messed up the letters so much it looks like cow shit.

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Sanity.
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States704 Posts
August 08 2008 14:37 GMT
#15
I actually noticed that too. always thought it was weird.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
August 08 2008 15:52 GMT
#16
On August 08 2008 08:57 Goosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2008 18:43 Plexa wrote:
thats because the goliath only breaths... its a small animation (nothing significant) and hence difficult to notice 99% of the other avatars have a large animation, well the goliath doesnt!!


To clear this up a little bit (and I think this is what Plexa is trying to say, so if not sorry for putting words in your mouth )

The encoding in VODs, especially on youtube, is such that they try to calculate areas of the image with movement and only generate new framedata for those areas. You probably have noticed that the encoding works in lots of little 8x8 pixel blocks and sometimes when the OBS moves slowly it looks like the ground jerkily 'shifts', this is because rather then recalculating those pixel blocks they re-use ones from previous frames to achieve better compression.

Ahem, so since the Goliath avatar moves very subtley the compression algorithm tries to use prev-existing blocks in that area. The pre-existing blocks are, of course, the static that appears briefly when you switch units. Unfortunately this static represents a lot of motion so it gets picked up strongly, while the subtle breathing of the goliath does not.

If anyone is more an expert on MPEG-style encoding then me and wants to correct me feel free, I am no expert, but I believe this is what is happening.


I'm not really an expert either- But i do know that the encoding works in 8x8 blocks, which is just about the size of the golaith's face. If you know what a keyframe is, you can see the golaith's animation face thing move slightly if the face moves through a keyframe.

Every other block other than the golaith's ends up moving a lot more, hence why youtube actually animates that block.
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Goosey
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States695 Posts
August 08 2008 17:12 GMT
#17
On August 08 2008 22:49 skuj wrote:
goosey that is correct, however what he's referring to is the fact that there is no avatar displayed at all when the goliath is selected. its just white noise/static/snow or whatever you call it. i noticed that after he mentioned it and im curious as to why it happens as well.


Reread my post, i covered that.
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jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
August 08 2008 17:19 GMT
#18
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skuj
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States302 Posts
August 08 2008 19:06 GMT
#19
On August 09 2008 02:12 Goosey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2008 22:49 skuj wrote:
goosey that is correct, however what he's referring to is the fact that there is no avatar displayed at all when the goliath is selected. its just white noise/static/snow or whatever you call it. i noticed that after he mentioned it and im curious as to why it happens as well.


Reread my post, i covered that.

yes you did, that was my bad
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thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
August 08 2008 19:16 GMT
#20
why do the pilots need air masks? They're not piloting an airplane.
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