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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
June 11 2008 17:37 GMT
#41
does anyone know where i can find a match of best beating flash??
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
June 11 2008 17:39 GMT
#42
On June 11 2008 23:59 IdrA wrote:
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On June 11 2008 23:23 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
after watching flash thrash every other competent player in the world do you honestly still think hes not good in standard play? I think flash is to bisu as jaedong is to savior, in other words - flash will always beat jaedong whenever they meet, but he'll eventually get crushed by a newcomer... The sc circle lol

didnt say he wasnt good in standard play as he most obviously is. just said in standard games vs jaedong jaedong has outplayed him every time.

also, jaedong beat him in the only bo5 series they played 3-1, only losing to mech on katrina. flash beat him with a sunken break and mech 2-1 (losing a straight up game) in osl and won vs him in the gsi 2-1 all 3 games being cheese from one side or another.


Idra you obviously know and see more about the game than I do but I'm surprised to see you say this. After watching players like Mind and Hwasin systematically take down (demolish) Jaedong in recent games on the current map pool, I was of the opinion that Flash would be able to do it even more easily. I don't think there's anything that Mind or Hwasin do better than Flash right now (that's just my opinion of course). Are there things you've seen in Flash's (or Jaedong's/Mind's/Hwasin's) play that would lead you to think otherwise?
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-11 18:07:23
June 11 2008 18:02 GMT
#43
On June 12 2008 02:39 darktreb wrote:
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On June 11 2008 23:59 IdrA wrote:
On June 11 2008 23:23 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
after watching flash thrash every other competent player in the world do you honestly still think hes not good in standard play? I think flash is to bisu as jaedong is to savior, in other words - flash will always beat jaedong whenever they meet, but he'll eventually get crushed by a newcomer... The sc circle lol

didnt say he wasnt good in standard play as he most obviously is. just said in standard games vs jaedong jaedong has outplayed him every time.

also, jaedong beat him in the only bo5 series they played 3-1, only losing to mech on katrina. flash beat him with a sunken break and mech 2-1 (losing a straight up game) in osl and won vs him in the gsi 2-1 all 3 games being cheese from one side or another.


Idra you obviously know and see more about the game than I do but I'm surprised to see you say this. After watching players like Mind and Hwasin systematically take down (demolish) Jaedong in recent games on the current map pool, I was of the opinion that Flash would be able to do it even more easily. I don't think there's anything that Mind or Hwasin do better than Flash right now (that's just my opinion of course). Are there things you've seen in Flash's (or Jaedong's/Mind's/Hwasin's) play that would lead you to think otherwise?


Let me explain it to you actually Hwasin has a better TvZ then Flash and Mind's is a little bit weaker but almost the same , 2nd those were Bo1 PL game in Bo5 JD usually kills . The fact that Hwasin beat JD in one game doesn't mean that Flash can too maybe he can maybe he can't but that is Bo1. Now if i may have your attention in Bo5 Hwasin has more of a chance beating JD then Flash that fact is backed up with Flash's non standard play vs him in both OSL and MSL and GSI , which tells that he is not confidant faseing JD on some map and if he doesn't have a plan he will lose - MSL , back then don't know how much he is improved now . Hwasin on the other hand was the best TvZ in 2007 and he is not scared of JD's late game skills . So if JD kills Hwasin in the next round he will most likely demolish Flash too , anyway after 1 week we will see if JD is the GOD OF DESTRUCTION and the legend killer .
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6638 Posts
June 11 2008 18:12 GMT
#44
On June 12 2008 02:37 GreEny K wrote:
does anyone know where i can find a match of best beating flash??

The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
diggurd
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Norway346 Posts
June 11 2008 18:23 GMT
#45
cj vs ktf + Show Spoiler +

the game vs darkelf was on the verge of being bm FE to wreitank on colosseum is a new gg flash build. he first took 12, then moved to 11. "fuck it ill go ~10 starports, lets get some gas".

[image loading]

the interesting thing about this quote is that youll only understand whats interesting when youre done reading it. ǝɯıʇ ɹn ƃuıʇsɐʍ n ǝɹɐ ʎɥʍ
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
June 11 2008 18:35 GMT
#46
Well the question is, who's going to be the one to step up and beat him?
AnyOne
Profile Joined January 2008
Chile547 Posts
June 11 2008 18:39 GMT
#47
Jaedong > Flash at MSL
Best > Flash at OSL
sAviOr > Flash at INTEL-CLASIC

and then go slump
and i hope he suicide
STX SOuL FightinG~ Inter.Calm FigthinG ~
ray1234
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada679 Posts
June 11 2008 18:45 GMT
#48
(T)Flash will be beaten by....

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(P)Rock

I called it first!

go OVERSKY MODE!
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
June 11 2008 18:47 GMT
#49
It's too bad there's not an option to vote for "I fucking hope not."
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
June 11 2008 19:39 GMT
#50
On June 11 2008 22:56 IdrA wrote:
he has yet to prove he can beat jaedong in a standard game. he beat him in 2 series but his wins were mmf sunken breaks, mech, and baekmagoji. jaedong won all of the biotankvessel vs muta ling lurk into defiler games, won them pretty easily for the most part.

flash is better now than he was and jaedong seems a bit worse, but id still say jaedong is a favorite given current maps that favor standard play a bit more.

Yo have quite a point, however Jaedong is slumping and Flash getting better and better... And yeah, the maps encourage more standard play, however it doesn't mean that Flash will be forced into standard play. To be honest I think Colosseum is encouraging Wraith TvZ a little, already seen 2 games like that (one of which was from Flash, in addition to his wraith-heavy tvt on that map vs. DarkElf in PL). Especially with the ling-proof wallability of the map. That's nearly impossible to do on Othello though... other maps Wuthering can be made with lingproof walls... but it's very open and hydras will have an easy chance vs. wraiths. Then again, as a rather shitty player I might just be talking out of my ass altogether.

On June 12 2008 01:47 GunsofthePatriots wrote:
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On June 12 2008 01:37 IdrA wrote:
On June 12 2008 01:36 GunsofthePatriots wrote:
On June 12 2008 01:05 IdrA wrote:
On June 12 2008 00:30 Vasoline73 wrote:
Why does everyone think BeSt has a shot at beating Flash in a BoX series?

Besides beating Flash in PL once when Flash didn't scout (good play by best though), BeSt has only beat the following terrans: NaDa, go.go, and UpMagic. And lost to Mind. Not exactly the craziest roster of opponents.

because best is insanely good and on a hot streak? and the maps are good for pvt. andromeda and troy at least in osl, i forget the rest of the map pool.
no ones calling best the favorite, but to say he doesnt have a shot is idiotic.


BTW how is it going in korea?

Getting your ass kicked?

nope i 20-0'd everyone on the team.


... Can you pull that off in Courage League?

Or will you choke?

i hate all the idra haters blegh
why do people have to go out of their way to talk shit about him
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
June 11 2008 19:41 GMT
#51
msl and/or intel classic
Retsukage
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1002 Posts
June 11 2008 19:57 GMT
#52
He will win all of thems!
I think he is fully capable if he plays the way he has been.
To change is to improve, to change often is to be perfect - Winston Chruchill
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
June 11 2008 20:10 GMT
#53
I chose OSL and Intel, but I don' t think so now. Best should take OSL, Free takes MSL (really hoping!), and Flash can take home intel
B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
June 11 2008 20:19 GMT
#54
I just don't see him losing. Right now, he's looking even better than sAviOr in his prime since he doesn't have a weak matchup. I can't think of anyone except MAYBE Jaedong who can take him down.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
June 11 2008 20:19 GMT
#55
Let's put it this way, if flash has 80% chance of winning each league, the chance of him winning them all would be ~50%, and against the likes of Jaedong and Best (+ more), Flash albeit being the favorite, cannot claim an 80% chance of victory. This is not to mention the other players he has to beat as well.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32275 Posts
June 11 2008 20:25 GMT
#56
MSL / Intel
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InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
June 11 2008 20:37 GMT
#57
On June 12 2008 03:45 ray1234 wrote:
(T)Flash will be beaten by....

+ Show Spoiler +
(P)Rock

I called it first!



You are my new buddy ^_^

On June 12 2008 05:19 B1nary wrote:
I just don't see him losing. Right now, he's looking even better than sAviOr in his prime since he doesn't have a weak matchup. I can't think of anyone except MAYBE Jaedong who can take him down.


Dude How can you compare say that Flash is better than the Maestro in his prime :S
w/e
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
June 11 2008 20:43 GMT
#58
i cant see anyone winning them all
its not possible
he will win osl, lose in msl to jaedong, and (dreams...) lose to savior in intel classic
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
June 11 2008 20:45 GMT
#59
Flash isnt better than the Maestro in his prime. He has terran-favored maps this season and only one OSL win, lets not get ahead of ourself. Hes dominant but lets see how long it lasts.

Plus:
Heavily slumping 1/8th fraction-of-himself complete crap sAviOr still went 3-4 with him in Skins.
Writerman what
JoxxOr
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden1502 Posts
June 11 2008 20:51 GMT
#60
On June 12 2008 03:45 ray1234 wrote:
(T)Flash will be beaten by....

+ Show Spoiler +
(P)Rock

I called it first!


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