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DennizR
Profile Joined May 2007
Sweden653 Posts
June 12 2008 06:16 GMT
#101
I can def. see him take em all. But I can also see him lose to JD.

Even if he does, I still think he will be the best/very very close to the best player for a long time ahead...
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
June 12 2008 08:08 GMT
#102
On June 12 2008 06:43 cujo2k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2008 03:02 raga4ka wrote:
Let me explain it to you actually Hwasin has a better TvZ then Flash and Mind's is a little bit weaker but almost the same , 2nd those were Bo1 PL game in Bo5 JD usually kills . The fact that Hwasin beat JD in one game doesn't mean that Flash can too maybe he can maybe he can't but that is Bo1. Now if i may have your attention in Bo5 Hwasin has more of a chance beating JD then Flash that fact is backed up with Flash's non standard play vs him in both OSL and MSL and GSI , which tells that he is not confidant faseing JD on some map and if he doesn't have a plan he will lose - MSL , back then don't know how much he is improved now . Hwasin on the other hand was the best TvZ in 2007 and he is not scared of JD's late game skills . So if JD kills Hwasin in the next round he will most likely demolish Flash too , anyway after 1 week we will see if JD is the GOD OF DESTRUCTION and the legend killer .


Man, Flash is way too good, you can't compare him to Hwasin imo. Flash is just smarter than everyone else, that's why he's so good. I really don't care what the statistics say about his TvZ, the guy has the best starcraft mind in the world right now, so I'd put him above Hwasin in every MU.
This is like when sAviOr was in his prime, you had to put the guy above everyone else in every MU, even ZvZ.

It is pretty cool that you still think that JD is the godly legend killer, you are a loyal fan my friend.. He has definitely been slipping a bit of late though.


Then show were his TvZ is better then Hwasins ?
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
June 12 2008 08:17 GMT
#103
I'd like to see Best vs Flash again, also Jangbi vs Flash, Stork vs Flash, Bisu vs Flash and finally Jaedong vs Flash. I guess he will win all the tournaments, but will put my vote only after the tournaments will be finished:-P
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noname_
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
466 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-12 10:38:01
June 12 2008 10:36 GMT
#104
Take the maps into consideration. Check statistics of this PL-OSL-MSL season.
They are way too imbalanced for Zergs. You can`t mutalisk harass effective, the crucial 3rd expo is far away, and hard to defend.
JD is the best/one of the bests mechanically nowdays, a real monster. He beat Flash every single straight up game.
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GSI 1-2
MSL 1-2
OSL 3-1
Total 5-5

The wins of JD were straigh up games, compared to Flash`s wins were cheeses/metal play.
If JD can win on these maps, he is far more better than Flash. But can he beat the maps too? I don`t know.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
June 12 2008 11:20 GMT
#105
metal is straight up too, whats wrong with metal?
oneill
Profile Joined August 2004
Philippines278 Posts
June 12 2008 11:24 GMT
#106
I hope he wins OSL and MSL. Now that will be a feat
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 12 2008 11:32 GMT
#107
On June 12 2008 20:20 Raithed wrote:
metal is straight up too, whats wrong with metal?

it only works on certain maps. colloseum is the only map in the current msl pool that its really viable on (to my knowledge, i dont know athena/tiamat very well)
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HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
June 12 2008 11:50 GMT
#108
So you are doing alright in the estro house then idra? Do you feel you are improving much? How's your confidence levels?
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ForAdun
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany986 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-12 15:16:31
June 12 2008 15:16 GMT
#109
On June 12 2008 20:50 HamerD wrote:
So you are doing alright in the estro house then idra? Do you feel you are improving much? How's your confidence levels?


And does scrubbing the floors really increase your APM?

Sorry that one had to be, you know I'm on your side
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-12 16:27:32
June 12 2008 16:24 GMT
#110
On June 12 2008 11:16 IdrA wrote:
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On June 12 2008 06:32 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
Actually Jaedong had troubles beating Flash in standard games even when Jaedong was in his prime. If Jaedong can't pull his tvz shit together he will not even win vs hwasin.
And no, hwasins tvz isn't better than flashs.

Only reason Jaedong won vs flash on Loki in the Bo5 was coz he played like a fucking miracle, and now he isn't, not vs terran atleast.

how did he have troubles? once hive tech was out flash got demolished every game. ya he had fucking scary mid game armies but that was because he sacrificed tech for a shitload of mm and once defilers were out his 4 group mm army with 2 tanks and 2 vessels was pretty useless.

flash is the favorite but if jaedong happens to hit his old form (and a couple of recent losses to very good players does not mean that it is gone forever), he could very easily beat flash.


yeah, thats pretty much what i said.

and imo he was saved by the bell with those swarms. nice timing but flash could have pushed faster.. it was intense, not easy.
dont forget, flash has become better and better while jaedong hasnt. Thats gotta play some role...
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
June 12 2008 16:38 GMT
#111
I hope he loses it all
Bub
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States3518 Posts
June 12 2008 16:43 GMT
#112
I voted yes if he put his mind into it. Flash you can do it YES YOU CAN

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noname_
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
466 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-12 16:59:12
June 12 2008 16:57 GMT
#113
On June 12 2008 20:32 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2008 20:20 Raithed wrote:
metal is straight up too, whats wrong with metal?

it only works on certain maps. colloseum is the only map in the current msl pool that its really viable on (to my knowledge, i dont know athena/tiamat very well)

Yes, this is true, but Colosseum is a widely opened map, where as a Terran you can get fast 3 gasses, + min only. The first push must be very strong with nearly a maxed army with upgs, because of the opened center.
The other maps don`t fit the metal play.
Please chek your pms.
diggurd
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Norway346 Posts
June 12 2008 19:15 GMT
#114
if someone is going to beat flash, its going to be-

MSL+ Show Spoiler +
much, omg those aggressive pylon vs free was so beautiful, i dont think i have seen someone use that so consequent as much.
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anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
June 12 2008 20:29 GMT
#115
Flash will be eliminated by Backho
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
June 12 2008 20:34 GMT
#116
On June 13 2008 04:15 diggurd wrote:
if someone is going to beat flash, its going to be-

MSL+ Show Spoiler +
much, omg those aggressive pylon vs free was so beautiful, i dont think i have seen someone use that so consequent as much.


totaly agree with this he has a good chance in OSL too
Triskaidecapod
Profile Joined April 2008
United States18 Posts
June 13 2008 18:57 GMT
#117
On June 13 2008 05:29 anderoo wrote:
Flash will be eliminated by Backho

LOL

I do think he'll win them all!
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
June 13 2008 19:53 GMT
#118
I'd say 2/3, I don't know exactly which two, but winning 3 tournaments is very unlikely IMO, but you never know... It is Flash, the "wonderkid."
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-15 19:59:00
June 13 2008 20:11 GMT
#119
Luxury is gonna kick him out of OSL .... and in MSL there is plenty of force there so it would surpise me if he wins something at all ...
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7863 Posts
June 13 2008 20:33 GMT
#120
On June 13 2008 05:29 anderoo wrote:
Flash will be eliminated by Backho


LOL. Backho, OSL champion. Tell me that wouldn't be so funny.
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