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South Africa4316 Posts
Why is Flash cursed? I'm dead serious. Why? There is only one player that I think Flash would probably lose to in the coming MSL quarter-final, and two players I thought he had a 50/50 chance to beat.
Flash is likely to lose against Jaedong, and a match against UpMagic or Light would be tense. That means there are four potential opponents for him to meet up with that he would be the favourite to win (Jangbi, Kal, Nada, Mind), two that would be very close (UpMagic, Light), and one that would be very difficult (Jaedong). And he gets the bad draw.
A Flash history:
In his first ODT he draws a group with Bisu and Free in it, and he qualifies.
In his first OSL he draws a group with Light, Savior (when he was still good), and Oov in it, and he qualifies.
In the quarter-final he meets Bisu, and he beats him.
He loses out to GGPlay in the semis, the eventual champion.
So we get to the second ODT, where he gets Savior in his group again, and he qualifies again.
He meets Rock in the OSC semis, where he drops out.
In his second OSL he gets into a group with Savior, again, and Rock, again, and he makes it through, again.
In the quarter-final he meets Stork. He drops out again.
He qualifies for his first MSL.
In his group he gets Bisu, Nada, and Oov. He beats Oov, but drops out in two games to Bisu.
In his third ODT he meets up with Luxury, and UpMagic in his group. He qualifies again.
In his third OSL group he has Stork and Rock. He loses to both, but he goes through in the playoffs.
He goes through and faces Jaedong.
Flash beats Jaedong 2-1 and goes through to the Semi-finals to face Bisu.
He qualifies for his second MSL.
He has Free and Oov in his group again. He goes through again.
In the Ro16 he meets Hwasin, he goes through.
In the quarter-final he matches up against Jaedong, and I'm sorry to say but I don't expect him to beat Jaedong.
Flash loses 1-3 to Jaedong.
In the GSI Flash is grouped with Savior again, as well as Anytime and Mind.
Flash qualifies and goes through to meet Jaedong in the Ro8.
How hard has he had it in the 8 months that he's been playing so far. And it's not that the competition is that great. There are always a few easy opponents. Flash just never meets them. Sigh.
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United States7488 Posts
Well, one of these times if he is able to overcome the greatest obstacle early on he should breeze the rest of the way. I don't think Flash is going away anytime soon, considering his age, and he is bound to post some solid results. But if he plans on being champion material he has to beat the top players anyway.
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Rock is "easy" imo 
u cant compare him to bisu, savior(when he was good) jaedong stork and those ...
but yeah, seems like he had it pretty tough, sea is cursed too right?
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Dropping out due to TheRock doesn't mean you're cursed though, it means you suck.
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That's the nature of competition baby
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In his first MSL he beat NaDa not oov.
I agree with you on the jaedong thing, poor draw for him but the same could be said for Luxury.
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United States10774 Posts
On February 05 2008 08:35 ii.blitzkrieg wrote:
In his first MSL he beat NaDa not oov.
I agree with you on the jaedong thing, poor draw for him but the same could be said for Luxury.
Ya but Flash has went through a lot more than Lux :p
the poor guy beat one of the strongest Terrans (Hwasin) to even get here
GO FLASH! BEAT JD!!
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I don't think the former MSL champion being pissed off that you knocked him out of the last OSL is being cursed. :>
Also: speaking of players who have had tough matches, Hwasin has had it pretty bad: knocked out of the MSL twice by Bisu, beat by GGPlay in Daum, and Savior in GOMTV Season 1 MSL. All fairly early losses too.
Course champions beat good players. :p
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On February 05 2008 08:26 Hittegods wrote:
Dropping out due to TheRock doesn't mean you're cursed though, it means you suck.
Its called a bad series and it doesn't mean he sucks. Other than Rock, he has had some of the best gamers to play including the top three players in the game right now (Bisu, Stork, Jaedong).
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Flash's performance has been damn impressive lately though. He's able to post such good results even having "no easy games." I'd say he's doing pretty well for himself
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United States10774 Posts
On February 05 2008 08:42 zer0das wrote:
I don't think the former MSL champion being pissed off that you knocked him out of the last OSL is being cursed. :>
Also: speaking of players who have had tough matches, Hwasin has had it pretty bad: knocked out of the MSL twice by Bisu, beat by GGPlay in Daum, and Savior in GOMTV Season 1 MSL. All fairly early losses too.
Course champions beat good players. :p
yeah I feel even worse for Hwasin
he always meets the best players who are at their peak lol (Flash for example, who's playing at his best)
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On February 05 2008 08:49 Purind wrote:
Flash's performance has been damn impressive lately though. He's able to post such good results even having "no easy games." I'd say he's doing pretty well for himself
Agreed. I don't think he has any weak match ups. His TvT and TvZ especially are very entertaining. I used to hate him because of his two cheese that knocked Bisu out of the OSL, but then I saw him progress and he has a great amount of skill.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
How is he cursed? If you want to be champion you'll have to defeat the stronger players sooner or later, it's pretty simple...
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Obviously Hwasin is more cursed yeah.
beaten by bisu 2 times when bisu was bonjwa mode, then by savior when he was bonjwa mode and ggplay when he was crazymode...
only thing missing was being beaten by jaedong in bonjwa mode now if he'd beaten flash.
thats much worse than flash's curse!
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On October 21 2007 07:34 Hot_Bid wrote:
Hwasin does have the worst luck ever, he always has horrible circumstances
losing to eventual finalist god-mode Savior in GomTV1 MSL (2-3)
losing to eventual champion Bisu in GomTV2 MSL (2-3)
losing to eventual champion GGPlay in Daum OSL (1-2)
losing to eventual champion Stork in WCG Ro8 (after all that crazy seed crap)
his osl group is light/iris/july (rofl)
and now the loss to Bisu (1-2) where if Hwasin won he'd easily go to finals
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So you want him to win a tournament through convenience of his bracket draw? Flash is good but if you look at him overall, he is really just another extremely solid Terran. Think of him as an Iris. He prob wont win an OSL unless he somehow manages to break through the glass ceiling due to his age(Whether his lack of wisdom or just his opponents having more confidence because he is so young).
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I'm most impressed by Flash's recent displays of late-game management. I remember not to long ago he was thought of as primarily a cheese player, but he's been solid throughout the game, and his TvT is really impressive to me. He reminds me a lot of Upmagic, except maybe he'll eventually win something (sorry, I have no faith in you Up :\)
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yea wtf. Him losing to them earlier doesnt make cursed. Trust me you'll be more happy when he wins and he raped everyone to get there. Then fluke drawed his way to cheese in finals or somethign lol
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On February 05 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:
I'm most impressed by Flash's recent displays of late-game management. I remember not to long ago he was thought of as primarily a cheese player, but he's been solid throughout the game, and his TvT is really impressive to me. He reminds me a lot of Upmagic, except maybe he'll eventually win something (sorry, I have no faith in you Up :\)
flash is definitely not a cheese player and he never was. he has a little something called balls which is lacking today in progaming. other than that he has extremely solid macro, micro and a sick early game. what was lacking in the past for him was his mid to late game decision making and management, and his finally starting to improve those
upmagic and flash are almost polar opposites
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Yeah, flash has been really really impressive lately.
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On February 05 2008 08:40 OneOther wrote:
GO FLASH! BEAT JD!!
Hell no
If some semi-promising mostly unspectacular Terran beats the only hope of Zerg progaming today I will cry
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On February 05 2008 08:59 Carnac wrote:
How is he cursed? If you want to be champion you'll have to defeat the stronger players sooner or later, it's pretty simple...
yea exactly. hes getting far into these tournaments so of course hes going to face the strong players over and over again. theres nothing strange going on.
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is it just me or does his lips look really red
red as in lip stick used
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Flash has shown solid Terran play. Not impressive or extraordinary terran though, but Solid, standard play. There have been many times wherein he tried to follow BoxeR's famous SCV rush and i think he is also known for the "resilient-SCV-blocking-the-ramp" move against Bisu.
Im neither a big fan of him nor a hater, but I think he has what it takes to be a champ. although not the current OSL or MSL maybe... but very soon. This kid has potential! and he is still young... perhaps he can muster something up in a year or two. or sooner!
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Where are the new terran heroes 
are there never gona be any more? Is terran's future to always be the solid, basic race with no new innovators or geniuses has the game caught up to sk terran and siege tank pushes and drops, with sair dts and 400 apm muta rape ?
mind and sea are ok but...and maybe this baby guy can come good :o. Any predictions for the next Boxer/ nada/ iloveoov/ xellos?
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I predict Boxer will be the next Boxer. Just wait till he comes back from military service.
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I blame the maps. I think it's the general consensus that Terran is overpowered (due to the imbalanced maps from the past and the surge of dedicated players), as a result, every new map is designed so that at least one race can fuck Terran over.
As well, with the insane muta control the Zerg players have these days, there is really little a Terran player could do against Zerg.
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On February 05 2008 11:51 mahc wrote:
is it just me or does his lips look really red
red as in lip stick used
ya its kinda weird
On February 05 2008 12:16 HamerD wrote:Where are the new terran heroes are there never gona be any more? Is terran's future to always be the solid, basic race with no new innovators or geniuses has the game caught up to sk terran and siege tank pushes and drops, with sair dts and 400 apm muta rape ? mind and sea are ok but...and maybe this baby guy can come good :o. Any predictions for the next Boxer/ nada/ iloveoov/ xellos?
I've been waiting for the Terran heir to appear. Mind looked promising during his MSL run, but nowhere near strong enough to become the next bonjwa. Im always looking in the prelims for some new promising terran blood.
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Rock is sucha tripping stone.
Going to be hell again vs Rock on Troy. Boo on fast car.
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On February 05 2008 10:32 SoMuchBetter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:
I'm most impressed by Flash's recent displays of late-game management. I remember not to long ago he was thought of as primarily a cheese player, but he's been solid throughout the game, and his TvT is really impressive to me. He reminds me a lot of Upmagic, except maybe he'll eventually win something (sorry, I have no faith in you Up :\) flash is definitely not a cheese player and he never was. he has a little something called balls which is lacking today in progaming. other than that he has extremely solid macro, micro and a sick early game. what was lacking in the past for him was his mid to late game decision making and management, and his finally starting to improve those upmagic and flash are almost polar opposites
I think you just repeated the same shit he wrote. The only difference was that he said '"He was thought of" AKA "Known to be" AKA "one BO3 series only" AKA "vs Bisu on Hitchhiker" AKA just a saying.
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On February 05 2008 09:45 PanoRaMa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2007 07:34 Hot_Bid wrote:
Hwasin does have the worst luck ever, he always has horrible circumstances
losing to eventual finalist god-mode Savior in GomTV1 MSL (2-3)
losing to eventual champion Bisu in GomTV2 MSL (2-3)
losing to eventual champion GGPlay in Daum OSL (1-2)
losing to eventual champion Stork in WCG Ro8 (after all that crazy seed crap)
his osl group is light/iris/july (rofl)
and now the loss to Bisu (1-2) where if Hwasin won he'd easily go to finals
QFT again.
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On February 05 2008 14:18 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2008 10:32 SoMuchBetter wrote:On February 05 2008 09:56 GeneralStan wrote:
I'm most impressed by Flash's recent displays of late-game management. I remember not to long ago he was thought of as primarily a cheese player, but he's been solid throughout the game, and his TvT is really impressive to me. He reminds me a lot of Upmagic, except maybe he'll eventually win something (sorry, I have no faith in you Up :\) flash is definitely not a cheese player and he never was. he has a little something called balls which is lacking today in progaming. other than that he has extremely solid macro, micro and a sick early game. what was lacking in the past for him was his mid to late game decision making and management, and his finally starting to improve those upmagic and flash are almost polar opposites I think you just repeated the same shit he wrote. The only difference was that he said '"He was thought of" AKA "Known to be" AKA "one BO3 series only" AKA "vs Bisu on Hitchhiker" AKA just a saying.
????????
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I think it kinda ruins programmers if they come onto the pro scene too early. Many times they seem to burn out before their gameplay matures to champion level. I hope flash can keep some spark and not fall into the pit of standard play.....
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South Africa4316 Posts
Haha, well, I never expected Flash to win the OSL. Like you say, if you want to win a Starleague you need to be able to beat everyone in the field, and as of now I don't think Flash can beat Jaedong. But I definitely hoped for a higher than Quarter-Final finish for him.
You're also right in saying that Hwasin has had a hard life so far. I just wish Flash could get a decent draw sometime, and not have to pull a hard player every round. When you get to the final rounds there are only strong players, but this quarterfinal still had many players that would have been much better.
Oh well, he said that ZvT was his best MU, and if he manages to kick Jaedong out in a Bo5 he will surely convince everybody of his improved game.
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I think Jaedong threw his last game in the group stage against Much both to avoid playing against his teammate Anytime (who was A2) and to play against Flash.
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Two sunken breaks. All you need Flash.
Two.
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Melbourne5338 Posts
First game is on Blue Storm afaik. There won't be sunkens to break, he'll be trapped in his base all game by muta or zerglings.
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8748 Posts
i don't think jaedong would seek out flash. avoiding teamkilling is a big deal and reason enough by itself. flash is just the poor guy who gets in trouble for it because he's cursed.
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That bo3 match-up is going to be AWESOME. I don't think they have released the map pool yet but I feel that with Flash's current form he has what it takes to topple Jaedong.
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To BE THE MAN
YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE MAN
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LMAO
flash vs jaedong in OSL,MSL,GSI...
i hope these 2 turn out to be epic rivals like yellow and boxer!!!
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he are not cursed, he have luck.. with all this strong opponents, in a few time flash have improved in an amazing way, in less than a year flash will be top 3 and maybe more...
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On February 21 2008 00:43 kramus wrote:I think Jaedong threw his last game in the group stage against Much both to avoid playing against his teammate Anytime (who was A2) and to play against Flash.
WTF no he didnt
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Calgary25967 Posts
On February 21 2008 01:38 No_eL wrote:
he are not cursed, he have luck.. with all this strong opponents, in a few time flash have improved in an amazing way, in less than a year flash will be top 3 and maybe more...
Yea, I'm sure getting a couple games against Jaedong somehow outdoes the thousands of practise games he plays.
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cursed? he's blessed to face Jaedong so many times... Its not everyday you get to face the bonjwa. : /
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On February 21 2008 01:52 dinmsab wrote:
cursed? he's blessed to face Jaedong so many times... Its not everyday you get to face the bonjwa. : /
Yes, champions rise to the ocasions and take chances. And playing under pressure is a priviledge.
Go Flash, make 2-1 matches in your favour!
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United States6657 Posts
On February 21 2008 01:48 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2008 00:43 kramus wrote:I think Jaedong threw his last game in the group stage against Much both to avoid playing against his teammate Anytime (who was A2) and to play against Flash. WTF no he didnt
that's a plausible theory.
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If you think about it, flash is the ktf man right now. His play is impressive these days, he's not one of those youngsters that break down under pressure, he has the balls to do wicked builds and he is overall a very promising player. With every month that passes by i somehow have the feeling that he get's stronger. Maybe i exaggerate, it just feels like it.
KTF should be proud and thankfull.
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United States20661 Posts
On February 21 2008 02:23 Jayson X wrote:
If you think about it, flash is the ktf man right now. His play is impressive these days, he's not one of those youngsters that break down under pressure, he has the balls to do wicked builds and he is overall a very promising player. With every month that passes by i somehow have the feeling that he get's stronger. Maybe i exaggerate, it just feels like it.
KTF should be proud and thankfull.
I am certainly thankful that we have Flash [and Tempest and 815 and Haran and Violet and all those new boys]
but I would trade a hundred Flashes for the return of the Storm Zerg T-T
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On February 21 2008 02:30 Last Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2008 02:23 Jayson X wrote:
If you think about it, flash is the ktf man right now. His play is impressive these days, he's not one of those youngsters that break down under pressure, he has the balls to do wicked builds and he is overall a very promising player. With every month that passes by i somehow have the feeling that he get's stronger. Maybe i exaggerate, it just feels like it.
KTF should be proud and thankfull. I am certainly thankful that we have Flash [and Tempest and 815 and Haran and Violet and all those new boys] but I would trade a hundred Flashes for the return of the Storm Zerg T-T
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CA10824 Posts
On February 21 2008 02:30 Last Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2008 02:23 Jayson X wrote:
If you think about it, flash is the ktf man right now. His play is impressive these days, he's not one of those youngsters that break down under pressure, he has the balls to do wicked builds and he is overall a very promising player. With every month that passes by i somehow have the feeling that he get's stronger. Maybe i exaggerate, it just feels like it.
KTF should be proud and thankfull. I am certainly thankful that we have Flash [and Tempest and 815 and Haran and Violet and all those new boys] but I would trade a hundred Flashes for the return of the Storm Zerg T-T but at least flash has a chance of winning something T_T
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Flash is not cursed. Yeah he ran into some stiff competition, but you have to have a history of faliures of the YellOw and Sea caliber to be considered cursed.
Oh btw Jaedong/Flash will never, ever be as great a rivalry as Lim Jin Rok. In fact no other rivalry in history has been as great.
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Don't give up on him yet. I think he has a good chance against Jaedong in his next matches. He's already shown that he can beat him.
I bet he will have prepared something special for Friday.
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South Africa4316 Posts
It's incredible the way he pulls those matches. Flash actually played against Jaedong sometime in his first season in the Proleague. Quite a nice match on Python that he won, so at the moment his score is 2-3 against Jaedong.
Go go Flash!
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It's called Karma, he was a cheesing little bitch in like 90% of his games.
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flash is pretty solid player
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On February 21 2008 03:46 lololol wrote:
It's called Karma, he was a cheesing little bitch in like 90% of his games.
Soo... when is karma coming to get Boxer?
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Braavos36372 Posts
he's not really cheesing that much anymore, his macro is so ridiculous in all three matchups right now
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I agree, Flash has been unlucky.
Personally, I put him at #2 on the power rank.
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I love flash now. I used to hate him for his cheeses (especially against bisu on Hitchhiker and Monty Hall back to back, wtf) and I jsut viewed him as some punk who thinks he can get wins from big pros with extremely cheap tactics. But he has been playing incredibly lately.. Even though he he lost 1-3 to jaedong, he still put up a good fight and has shown his great macro. I was also very impressed by his performance in his GSI group, 3-0 in a group of savior, anytime and mind?! If you're a flash hater there's something wrong with you..
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At first I felt kind of bad for him having to play Jaedong when hes so hot in both the MSL and OSL, but those games have been so good I am absolutely giddy that he has to play him again in the GSI Ro8. Both of these guys are playing awesome starcraft right now, lets enjoy it!
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I hope he can beat Jaedong in at least one of the three matchups. His macro has always been pretty insane. His game sense is so much etter now than it first was. He still likes the occasional agressive move like a bunker rush or a proxy.
Yeah I think I'd have him ranked pretty high right now. Jaedong ahead of him obviously, he was ahead against Stork that game on blue storm, but ended up losing, so I'd put Stork ahead. As a Bisu fan boy, I'd still rank him ahead of him. After GSI, I'd put him over Mind and Much. I think he's got to be ranked top 3 at least, maybe even number 1 if he can beat Jaedong in both GSI and OSL, then get good finishes in both of those. Then again the winners of OSL, MSL, and GSI will be the highest ranked so who knows.
The kid has a bright future ahad of him, I like his style.
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United States1654 Posts
I feel that Flash has been pushing Jaedong to the limit in TvZ, and this makes some great games. 
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On February 21 2008 04:28 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2008 03:46 lololol wrote:
It's called Karma, he was a cheesing little bitch in like 90% of his games. Soo... when is karma coming to get Boxer?
it already has
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
The same thing was said about Free (always facing Stork and Savior), and where is he now? It seemed Sea was "the next terran big thing" who was just cursed to face S-class zergs in the leagues, and what happened?
If that kid got what it takes, it doesn't matter, he will break in eventually. If he doesn't, luck has nothing to do with it.
Terrans lately have been struggling with their own mediocrity and lack of personality - always hated for upset victories, never dominating. Always dangerous, never unstoppable. Even though terran is the race I enjoy the least in SC, even I started longing for a real terran champion to come. Mind fails to deliver, FBH is a faggot, Sea and Light are very good, but don't have "that thing" that makes one unstoppable, Iris is the goddamn most entertaining player to watch ever (as he is blessed and cursed at the same time to play 1% worse than his zerg opponent, no matter if that opponent is Jesus manifest) but unfortunately he is always "that close" to winning. UpMagic has shown all the signs, but his star faded before even rising to the top. Maybe Flash could fill up the terran vaccum, but first, he has lots to prove.
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On February 21 2008 06:26 AnOth3rDAy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2008 04:28 Mindcrime wrote:On February 21 2008 03:46 lololol wrote:
It's called Karma, he was a cheesing little bitch in like 90% of his games. Soo... when is karma coming to get Boxer? it already has
boxer karma was probably going to the army T.T
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Valhalla18444 Posts
i used to dislike flash too but fuck his games are so good now
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On February 21 2008 08:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i used to dislike flash too but fuck his games are so good now
same here, although dislike might be the wrong word... i just didnt take that much notice of him but now it's like "wow flash's play is so good"
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Wagon...
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After watching a lot of his recent games, I realized that he's become really damn good...
I hope this becomes an epic rivalry :D
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i liked flash before it was cool to like flash!
but seriously, i became an instant flash fan when he bio cheesed bisu
pure entertainment
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On February 21 2008 08:42 Guybrush wrote:Wagon...
it can't be helped, he's fucking dynamite right now
every game he plays is cool
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i liked flash when he first came out into the progaming scene
was almost the only that supported him out of everyone here lol
im glad i stuck out
his game sense is freakin ridiculous sometimes
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Every little thing he does is magic
Everything he do just turns me on
Even though my life before was tragic
Now I know my love for him goes on
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Flash will eliminate Jaedong, then I'd like to see them face off in GSI.. that would be hot shit
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Melbourne5338 Posts
On February 21 2008 00:59 Elric_ wrote:That bo3 match-up is going to be AWESOME. I don't think they have released the map pool yet but I feel that with Flash's current form he has what it takes to topple Jaedong.
Map Pools have been released before the tournament began, they've also been sitting on the TL Calendar.
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How does he play jaedong so much? That probably lets hits tvz win percentage go down
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He's playing jaedong in the MSL (played), in the OSL, now the GSI tournament. Why does Jaedong hate flash so much lol it's like a lion to a lamb.... a lamb with fangs and a club...
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well i agree with only one statement: Three quaterfinals vs JD in a row at the same time? Are you kidding me? That's like the worst scenario possible for ANY terran player.
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u can talk him up all you want, but the list of people who he is on par with or worse than is significant. if you want to win you need to be the top shit, or get lucky. and you cant rely on luck.
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I like flash now because of his spirit and inventiveness. I don't mind that he looks more like a sea bass than a sea bass
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to me he's still cheddar terran.
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On February 21 2008 06:44 BluzMan wrote:
The same thing was said about Free (always facing Stork and Savior), and where is he now? It seemed Sea was "the next terran big thing" who was just cursed to face S-class zergs in the leagues, and what happened?
If that kid got what it takes, it doesn't matter, he will break in eventually. If he doesn't, luck has nothing to do with it.
Terrans lately have been struggling with their own mediocrity and lack of personality - always hated for upset victories, never dominating. Always dangerous, never unstoppable. Even though terran is the race I enjoy the least in SC, even I started longing for a real terran champion to come. Mind fails to deliver, FBH is a faggot, Sea and Light are very good, but don't have "that thing" that makes one unstoppable, Iris is the goddamn most entertaining player to watch ever (as he is blessed and cursed at the same time to play 1% worse than his zerg opponent, no matter if that opponent is Jesus manifest) but unfortunately he is always "that close" to winning. UpMagic has shown all the signs, but his star faded before even rising to the top. Maybe Flash could fill up the terran vaccum, but first, he has lots to prove.
Agreed terran players always get so close but not enough t.t Hwasin was close around the point where he all killed mbc in the stx cup thing.
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On February 21 2008 03:46 lololol wrote:
It's called Karma, he was a cheesing little bitch in like 90% of his games.
if by 90% of his games you meant like 3, then yeah he was a cheesing little bitch
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Flash has just been awesome lately, I used to hate the guy for some of his cheese games.. but I saw him lately and was really impressed. He isnt the cheap player he used to be. About people calling him a cheesy little bitch, tell that to Boxer please.
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He cheesed 2 games against the best player in the world by far and despite having played excellent starcraft since including going 3-0 in his GSI group and beating Jaedong 50% of the time w/o cheesing (well winning with a cheese). You guys sure know how to hold a grudge.
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Jaedong somewhat cheesed Boxer so what?
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United States20661 Posts
Maybe I'm biased
but I watched a few Flash games before he became KTF's hot shit, and he never struck me as a cheese player then. I thought he was another standard macro terran with solid-as-hell mechanics who just romped through offlines/prelims.
Once he got to StarLeague and everyone started watching.. well that's when he pulled two cheeses against Bisu. But why the hell shouldn't he do that? One was a revenge build for Terran pride [Hwasin lost vs Bisu the day before using the same build, or something] and the other was just really cute [come on, refinery to mine through mineral wall.. if that's not even vaguely Boxerish, what is?]
And then there was that time where everyone was like 'Flash sucks vs carrier' - but really, he doesn't. Without experience you're bound to lose a couple games early; if you see his games vs Free and vs Anytime recently, he's finally gotten over that kink.
Flash is definitely one of the top (if not the top) Terrans today. Strong in all three matchups, especially since he's gotten his TvZ bionic/TvP vs carrier control worked out. And his macro is just fucking beastly.
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+ Show Spoiler +yay flash raped jaedong in osl with mech build just like msl ^^ flash v bisu cant wait
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There really is only one player left against whom I'd count Flash as an underdog and that's Stork, who is now 6-1 against Flash. I'd say he has 50% or better vs anyone else, maybe a little less against Jaedong once he manages to counter Flash's mech build efficiently, which he will most probably be working on for most of the next days after losing to it twice.
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DID YOU KNOW:
Flash is not the only KTF Terran with a 50% record against Jaedong.
The other one is none other than the infamous... + Show Spoiler +<font size=6>Kim 'Hery' Yoon Hwan!!!</font>
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how good is hery
ive only watched a few of his games before
and now he never plays...
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On February 24 2008 14:17 noojOh wrote:
how good is hery
ive only watched a few of his games before
and now he never plays...
He's better than Flash lol-_-
jk he's not that great
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Hery is sub 30% overall TvZ XP
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once jaedong finds the counter to flash's mech build, flash will just go onto his air-mech build :D
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On February 24 2008 14:12 Last Romantic wrote:DID YOU KNOW: Flash is not the only KTF Terran with a 50% record against Jaedong. The other one is none other than the infamous... + Show Spoiler +<font size=6>Kim 'Hery' Yoon Hwan!!!</font>
Frozean has a 100% win ratio against Jaedong... sadly nobody really cares. : (
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On February 24 2008 20:50 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2008 14:12 Last Romantic wrote:DID YOU KNOW: Flash is not the only KTF Terran with a 50% record against Jaedong. The other one is none other than the infamous... + Show Spoiler +<font size=6>Kim 'Hery' Yoon Hwan!!!</font> Frozean has a 100% win ratio against Jaedong
No.
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On February 24 2008 05:03 ForAdun wrote:
Jaedong somewhat cheesed Boxer so what?
+ Show Spoiler +And he got pwned by Flash for it. Katrina + Terran pride == lol gg no re.
Seriously though, the proxy hatch was a slap in the face, and totally uncalled for. He had enough lings to raze Boxer twice over, the proxy hatch was just him being a moron. I supported Jaedong right through his last OSL run, but behaviour like that really makes me angry. Boxer is one of BW's greats, and if you beat him, that's fine - just don't embarrass him like a noob. BW is what it is today because of him.
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On February 25 2008 02:19 riptide wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2008 05:03 ForAdun wrote:
Jaedong somewhat cheesed Boxer so what? + Show Spoiler +And he got pwned by Flash for it. Katrina + Terran pride == lol gg no re.
Seriously though, the proxy hatch was a slap in the face, and totally uncalled for. He had enough lings to raze Boxer twice over, the proxy hatch was just him being a moron. I supported Jaedong right through his last OSL run, but behaviour like that really makes me angry. Boxer is one of BW's greats, and if you beat him, that's fine - just don't embarrass him like a noob. BW is what it is today because of him.
+ Show Spoiler +What proxy hatch are you talking about? Jaedong 4-pooled Boxer, he never played proxy hatch.
4-pool against Boxer was a good strategic choice because everybody knows how strong he is in that matchup. He can crush anyone at any time. If you underestimate him or if you have too much respect for him - either way you're going to lose. Jaedong made a hard decision and it turned out to be the best of all choices.
Jaedong losing to Flash was a matter of time since Flash is simply great, he's the best terran player right now together with Sea and Mind and - interesting - ForGG. Actually I was disappointed that Flash lost to Jaedong in the bo5 because I know he can do better. Jaedong turned out to be the winner because he's a little bit better overall I think and not because Flash lacked of skill, that definitely not. Flash has what it takes to be the number 1, he just has to prove it a few more times. Jaedong and Flash are my favourite players and I'm glad that they seem to be rivals now.
So, Jaedong doesn't "deserve" to lose. He lost against Flash because he's so damn good right now. Flash deserves to win as much as Jaedong does, I respect both of them very much and I hope they keep doing so well!
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On February 25 2008 02:37 ForAdun wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2008 02:19 riptide wrote:On February 24 2008 05:03 ForAdun wrote:
Jaedong somewhat cheesed Boxer so what? + Show Spoiler +And he got pwned by Flash for it. Katrina + Terran pride == lol gg no re.
Seriously though, the proxy hatch was a slap in the face, and totally uncalled for. He had enough lings to raze Boxer twice over, the proxy hatch was just him being a moron. I supported Jaedong right through his last OSL run, but behaviour like that really makes me angry. Boxer is one of BW's greats, and if you beat him, that's fine - just don't embarrass him like a noob. BW is what it is today because of him. + Show Spoiler +What proxy hatch are you talking about? Jaedong 4-pooled Boxer, he never played proxy hatch.
4-pool against Boxer was a good strategic choice because everybody knows how strong he is in that matchup. He can crush anyone at any time. If you underestimate him or if you have too much respect for him - either way you're going to lose. Jaedong made a hard decision and it turned out to be the best of all choices.
Jaedong losing to Flash was a matter of time since Flash is simply great, he's the best terran player right now together with Sea and Mind and - interesting - ForGG. Actually I was disappointed that Flash lost to Jaedong in the bo5 because I know he can do better. Jaedong turned out to be the winner because he's a little bit better overall I think and not because Flash lacked of skill, that definitely not. Flash has what it takes to be the number 1, he just has to prove it a few more times. Jaedong and Flash are my favourite players and I'm glad that they seem to be rivals now.
So, Jaedong doesn't "deserve" to lose. He lost against Flash because he's so damn good right now. Flash deserves to win as much as Jaedong does, I respect both of them very much and I hope they keep doing so well!
+ Show Spoiler +Jaedong did not 4 pool Boxer. That would have been the ultimate cheese. It was a standard 9-pool.
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On February 25 2008 02:49 StRyKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2008 02:37 ForAdun wrote:On February 25 2008 02:19 riptide wrote:On February 24 2008 05:03 ForAdun wrote:
Jaedong somewhat cheesed Boxer so what? + Show Spoiler +And he got pwned by Flash for it. Katrina + Terran pride == lol gg no re.
Seriously though, the proxy hatch was a slap in the face, and totally uncalled for. He had enough lings to raze Boxer twice over, the proxy hatch was just him being a moron. I supported Jaedong right through his last OSL run, but behaviour like that really makes me angry. Boxer is one of BW's greats, and if you beat him, that's fine - just don't embarrass him like a noob. BW is what it is today because of him. + Show Spoiler +What proxy hatch are you talking about? Jaedong 4-pooled Boxer, he never played proxy hatch.
4-pool against Boxer was a good strategic choice because everybody knows how strong he is in that matchup. He can crush anyone at any time. If you underestimate him or if you have too much respect for him - either way you're going to lose. Jaedong made a hard decision and it turned out to be the best of all choices.
Jaedong losing to Flash was a matter of time since Flash is simply great, he's the best terran player right now together with Sea and Mind and - interesting - ForGG. Actually I was disappointed that Flash lost to Jaedong in the bo5 because I know he can do better. Jaedong turned out to be the winner because he's a little bit better overall I think and not because Flash lacked of skill, that definitely not. Flash has what it takes to be the number 1, he just has to prove it a few more times. Jaedong and Flash are my favourite players and I'm glad that they seem to be rivals now.
So, Jaedong doesn't "deserve" to lose. He lost against Flash because he's so damn good right now. Flash deserves to win as much as Jaedong does, I respect both of them very much and I hope they keep doing so well! Jaedong did not 4 pool Boxer. That would have been the ultimate cheese. It was a standard 9-pool.
+ Show Spoiler +Hm ye, I think I remember it wrong. But you should put that into spoiler tags xX
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On February 25 2008 02:19 riptide wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2008 05:03 ForAdun wrote:
Jaedong somewhat cheesed Boxer so what? + Show Spoiler +And he got pwned by Flash for it. Katrina + Terran pride == lol gg no re.
Seriously though, the proxy hatch was a slap in the face, and totally uncalled for. He had enough lings to raze Boxer twice over, the proxy hatch was just him being a moron. I supported Jaedong right through his last OSL run, but behaviour like that really makes me angry. Boxer is one of BW's greats, and if you beat him, that's fine - just don't embarrass him like a noob. BW is what it is today because of him.
Read Jaedong's interview. That was his strategy in the game, not for embarrassment purposes.
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u don't need spoilers when the game has passed for this long already.
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CURSE NO MORE! FUCK JAEDONG
GO FLASH!
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Boxer gets a name for himself because he cheeses then people cry when other people cheese? Strange. Anyway as SigrUn said read the Interview. Jae was merely going through the motions. He isn't one to act as if the game is over before the opponent types "GG"
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On February 25 2008 05:03 tKd_ wrote:
u don't need spoilers when the game has passed for this long already.
It's one of the most recent games, it has been played 6 days ago. Of course this needs spoilers! Imagine someone coming back from holidays, checking a topic about Flash and then realizing a game from the Emperor has been spoiled that he wanted to start watching in a couple of minutes...
Hate!
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9 Pool is not cheese, Boxer just took a ridiculously dumb risk with his BO, and paid the price because of it.
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He's the like 2007-2008 Toronto Raptors
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Turn on the sc background music! it sounds so barren without it ;_;
oops wrong topic.
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On February 25 2008 05:00 SigrUn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2008 02:19 riptide wrote:On February 24 2008 05:03 ForAdun wrote:
Jaedong somewhat cheesed Boxer so what? + Show Spoiler +And he got pwned by Flash for it. Katrina + Terran pride == lol gg no re.
Seriously though, the proxy hatch was a slap in the face, and totally uncalled for. He had enough lings to raze Boxer twice over, the proxy hatch was just him being a moron. I supported Jaedong right through his last OSL run, but behaviour like that really makes me angry. Boxer is one of BW's greats, and if you beat him, that's fine - just don't embarrass him like a noob. BW is what it is today because of him. Read Jaedong's interview. That was his strategy in the game, not for embarrassment purposes.
+ Show Spoiler +Strategy is fine, I have no problem with the 9pool. But after he got in, and saw that the barracks wasn't even down, he did not need to proxy hatch there. Cheese is fine, and fair, but after you have the game, you don't need to rub it in. Have some respect, Jaedong.
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After watching Flash's game against Mind at GSI, I'm really tempted to call him the best Terran playing right now. As much as I love Mind, his TvZ isn't quite championship-level, whereas Flash has taken 5 of the 10 games he's played with Jaedong recently. Flash's play isn't particularly inventive, but he compensates by being absolutely rock-solid with his mechanics; he won't give up a single advantage he's taken during the early game, and he just milks them relentlessly. The kid is a wall with legs, a bulldozer. While everyone was focused on Bisu or Jaedong, he just developed his game slowly and steadily, and by now I'd actually be mildly surprised if he doesn't win at least one of the two tourneys he's in right now.
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I definitely think Flash is on his way to becoming the top player. Even now I think he is in the top 5 on form players. I think we will just have to see how he fares against P as he hasn't played much P recently(At least not to my knowledge).
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I totally walked over Anytime's 2 base carriers on Katrina.
On Katrina...
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Probably we should call "Flashs Curse" "Jaedongs Curse" ?
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On February 25 2008 08:41 riptide wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2008 05:00 SigrUn wrote:On February 25 2008 02:19 riptide wrote:On February 24 2008 05:03 ForAdun wrote:
Jaedong somewhat cheesed Boxer so what? + Show Spoiler +And he got pwned by Flash for it. Katrina + Terran pride == lol gg no re.
Seriously though, the proxy hatch was a slap in the face, and totally uncalled for. He had enough lings to raze Boxer twice over, the proxy hatch was just him being a moron. I supported Jaedong right through his last OSL run, but behaviour like that really makes me angry. Boxer is one of BW's greats, and if you beat him, that's fine - just don't embarrass him like a noob. BW is what it is today because of him. Read Jaedong's interview. That was his strategy in the game, not for embarrassment purposes. + Show Spoiler +Strategy is fine, I have no problem with the 9pool. But after he got in, and saw that the barracks wasn't even down, he did not need to proxy hatch there. Cheese is fine, and fair, but after you have the game, you don't need to rub it in. Have some respect, Jaedong.
We've been over this and you're wrong. He built the Hatchery before he realized the advantage he held. What you're asking for is players to try just hard enough to win, which is beyond stupid, and leaves them vulnerable to a myriad of comeback strategies.
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Flash hopefully the "CURSEBREAKER"
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Pwned in OSL and GSI > MSL
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+ Show Spoiler +fucking flash owned jaedon in GSI!! HELL YEA FUCING I HATE JAEDONG!!!
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On February 26 2008 06:11 GGZERG wrote:+ Show Spoiler +fucking flash owned jaedon in GSI!! HELL YEA FUCING I HATE JAEDONG!!!
Why the hell is your name GGZERG then instead of GAYZERG or something more fitting?
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United States1654 Posts
+ Show Spoiler +BaekmaGoji is a god awful map for every race. Why didn't they use Python or something for the third map?
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i like flash very very much ,he play well vs jaedong
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i dont call it flash's curse. i think its flash's luck. if flash somehow advanced to the finals by playing 3rd rated players, no one will take him seriously.
if he wins the MSL like Mind taking out OOv, Savior and Bisu, then ppl will take him seriously. Flash is young and he simply doesnt have the skill and exp to beat top players yet. but his fortune allowed him to play against the top players in real matches will give him the training necessary to be a top player.
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I've always liked Flash, even when he used to cheese all the time. I don't think he is cursed at all, if anything he is blessed to have such a high level of skill at such a young age. If he can continue to improve, he may well be the heir to Boxer's throne. I think I remember Boxer saying those very words.
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Boxer hasnt said anything about him, other than something like: "I dont know all these new players, and their styles" in the interview after Boxers win against Flash on Python in PL.
Reach however was hyping him abit in the Daum OSL group-selection, saying Flash won alot of practice matches against him, and that he was a fast learner who didnt even knew the map Guillotine when he joined the team(KTF).
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On February 26 2008 11:59 Guybrush wrote:
Boxer hasnt said anything about him, other than something like: "I dont know all these new players, and their styles" in the interview after Boxers win against Flash on Python in PL.
Reach however was hyping him abit in the Daum OSL group-selection, saying Flash won alot of practice matches against him, and that he was a fast learner who didnt even knew the map Guillotine when he joined the team(KTF).
My bad. I believe Boxer said Stork was going to be the next big thing when he retired, not Flash.
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Stolen from inifinity21s translation of the interview on FiFo
Rest of the itw here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=54809
-이영호에게 해주고 싶은 이야기가 있다면.
- If you have anything to say to Lee Young-Ho
▶초반 운영이 좋아서 크게 당황했다. 이영호 선수가 앞으로 중요한 무대에 오르면서 경험을 쌓는다면 뛰어난 선수로 거듭날 수 있을 것 같다.
▶ His early game management was so good that I was very shaken. If Lee Young-Ho gains more experience by playing important games, he will grow to be an excellent player.
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Go flash! I think he will win the GSI and the OSL.
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On February 26 2008 11:23 dybydx wrote:
i dont call it flash's curse. i think its flash's luck. if flash somehow advanced to the finals by playing 3rd rated players, no one will take him seriously.
if he wins the MSL like Mind taking out OOv, Savior and Bisu, then ppl will take him seriously. Flash is young and he simply doesnt have the skill and exp to beat top players yet. but his fortune allowed him to play against the top players in real matches will give him the training necessary to be a top player.
You sir, are talking out of your ass. Since the beginning of the 2008 seasons, Flash has -
- Beaten Anytime, Savior, and Mind to go 3-0 in his GSI group.
- Beaten free, iloveoov to 2-0 his MSL Ro32 group, then beaten Hwasin 2-0 in his Ro16 group, and only then lost to Jaedong 3-1.
- Beaten Jaedong 2-1 in both the OSL, and GSI quarter finals.
I mean seriously, what more do you want him to do - maybe travel back in time to when BoxeR was in his prime and beat him?
Also, as much as I like Mind, Flash's play recently has been far above anything I've ever seen from Mind. Sure Mind has great mechanics and timing, but Flash's Mech build on Katrina? Now that's something new. I too once dissed the little runt as having more cheese than a Kraft dinner (thank you tasteless), but seeing his recent play, I just gotta say he's the best Terran around at the moment.
You can call Flash a lot of things, but you simply cannot call him lucky. Drawing the best ZvT in the world in three Ro8s and then dispatching him nicely in two of them? That's not luck, my friend. That's skill.
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On February 27 2008 08:41 riptide wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2008 11:23 dybydx wrote:
i dont call it flash's curse. i think its flash's luck. if flash somehow advanced to the finals by playing 3rd rated players, no one will take him seriously.
if he wins the MSL like Mind taking out OOv, Savior and Bisu, then ppl will take him seriously. Flash is young and he simply doesnt have the skill and exp to beat top players yet. but his fortune allowed him to play against the top players in real matches will give him the training necessary to be a top player. You sir, are talking out of your ass. Since the beginning of the 2008 seasons, Flash has - - Beaten Anytime, Savior, and Mind to go 3-0 in his GSI group. - Beaten free, iloveoov to 2-0 his MSL Ro32 group, then beaten Hwasin 2-0 in his Ro16 group, and only then lost to Jaedong 3-1. - Beaten Jaedong 2-1 in both the OSL, and GSI quarter finals. I mean seriously, what more do you want him to do - maybe travel back in time to when BoxeR was in his prime and beat him? Also, as much as I like Mind, Flash's play recently has been far above anything I've ever seen from Mind. Sure Mind has great mechanics and timing, but Flash's Mech build on Katrina? Now that's something new. I too once dissed the little runt as having more cheese than a Kraft dinner (thank you tasteless), but seeing his recent play, I just gotta say he's the best Terran around at the moment. You can call Flash a lot of things, but you simply cannot call him lucky. Drawing the best ZvT in the world in three Ro8s and then dispatching him nicely in two of them? That's not luck, my friend. That's skill.
I think what he meant is that flash was LUCKY to have the opportunity to show off his SKILLS
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On February 27 2008 08:41 riptide wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2008 11:23 dybydx wrote:
i dont call it flash's curse. i think its flash's luck. if flash somehow advanced to the finals by playing 3rd rated players, no one will take him seriously.
if he wins the MSL like Mind taking out OOv, Savior and Bisu, then ppl will take him seriously. Flash is young and he simply doesnt have the skill and exp to beat top players yet. but his fortune allowed him to play against the top players in real matches will give him the training necessary to be a top player. You sir, are talking out of your ass. Since the beginning of the 2008 seasons, Flash has - - Beaten Anytime, Savior, and Mind to go 3-0 in his GSI group. - Beaten free, iloveoov to 2-0 his MSL Ro32 group, then beaten Hwasin 2-0 in his Ro16 group, and only then lost to Jaedong 3-1. - Beaten Jaedong 2-1 in both the OSL, and GSI quarter finals. I mean seriously, what more do you want him to do - maybe travel back in time to when BoxeR was in his prime and beat him? Also, as much as I like Mind, Flash's play recently has been far above anything I've ever seen from Mind. Sure Mind has great mechanics and timing, but Flash's Mech build on Katrina? Now that's something new. I too once dissed the little runt as having more cheese than a Kraft dinner (thank you tasteless), but seeing his recent play, I just gotta say he's the best Terran around at the moment. You can call Flash a lot of things, but you simply cannot call him lucky. Drawing the best ZvT in the world in three Ro8s and then dispatching him nicely in two of them? That's not luck, my friend. That's skill.
learn to read, jesus christ. this is like the worse post i've seen this week
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On February 27 2008 09:37 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2008 08:41 riptide wrote:On February 26 2008 11:23 dybydx wrote:
i dont call it flash's curse. i think its flash's luck. if flash somehow advanced to the finals by playing 3rd rated players, no one will take him seriously.
if he wins the MSL like Mind taking out OOv, Savior and Bisu, then ppl will take him seriously. Flash is young and he simply doesnt have the skill and exp to beat top players yet. but his fortune allowed him to play against the top players in real matches will give him the training necessary to be a top player. You sir, are talking out of your ass. Since the beginning of the 2008 seasons, Flash has - - Beaten Anytime, Savior, and Mind to go 3-0 in his GSI group. - Beaten free, iloveoov to 2-0 his MSL Ro32 group, then beaten Hwasin 2-0 in his Ro16 group, and only then lost to Jaedong 3-1. - Beaten Jaedong 2-1 in both the OSL, and GSI quarter finals. I mean seriously, what more do you want him to do - maybe travel back in time to when BoxeR was in his prime and beat him? Also, as much as I like Mind, Flash's play recently has been far above anything I've ever seen from Mind. Sure Mind has great mechanics and timing, but Flash's Mech build on Katrina? Now that's something new. I too once dissed the little runt as having more cheese than a Kraft dinner (thank you tasteless), but seeing his recent play, I just gotta say he's the best Terran around at the moment. You can call Flash a lot of things, but you simply cannot call him lucky. Drawing the best ZvT in the world in three Ro8s and then dispatching him nicely in two of them? That's not luck, my friend. That's skill. learn to read, jesus christ. this is like the worse post i've seen this week
Ooops, it was early morning, and I wasn't paying enough attention so I misconstrued what he said. My apologies to dybydx - I misread your post.
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posting early morning is bad mojo
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On February 27 2008 09:46 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
posting early morning is bad mojo
I'm down with the flu, and couldn't sleep. TL came to the rescue! :/
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i guess u cursed jaedong by making this thread haha.
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Check my profile to see a lollerific pic of Jaedong vs Flash!
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I agree with riptide's interpretation of that sentence.
if he wins the MSL like Mind taking out OOv, Savior and Bisu, then ppl will take him seriously. Flash is young and he simply doesnt have the skill and exp to beat top players yet. but his fortune allowed him to play against the top players in real matches will give him the training necessary to be a top player.
He's saying present tense, Flash isn't good enough to eat top players yet, which means that atm Flash isn't good enough. And he is saying future tense that Flash might get the training necessary to be a good player one day. I can't see any other way of interpretting that comment. It might just be bad tenses, but with the English used in that comment riptide's interpretation was correct.
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On February 27 2008 17:23 TheTyranid wrote:+ Show Spoiler +GSI semis Flash 3-1 Anytime on P imba maps. Rename thread??
Lol yeah my thoughts exactly! Jesus 
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+ Show Spoiler +After Jaedong, The Flash Curse reaches Anytime. Bisu and Stork will be next to fall victim to The Flash Curse.
ZOMG I am sooooo hyped for the GSI finaL!!
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+ Show Spoiler +Flash is an intelligent beast.
He effectively created a strategy to counter Carriers on every single map where they are considered imbalanced, defeating both Bisu in the OSL semi-finals and Stork in the GOM invitational.
He ALWAYS does what most Terrans, even the pros, are too reckless to go; get Goliaths in every TvP match. That means a much weaker reaver harass, NO zealot drops, and he is instantly prepared for the two common late tier Protoss techs: Arbiters and Carriers. Bisu used both against Flash, and he simply demolished them.
Then theres the fact that he mass produces science vessels to counter Arbiters. And his early upgrades. . . . .
The only thing Flash is cursed with is impeccible intelligence for his age.
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Flash has impressived everyone lately whether you have always supported him or not. He is playing bold, creative, and overall solid. Great gameplay and game sense, conservative when he knows he should be and aggressive at the right times. He is so confident right now. Number 1 player in my book for this month for sure.
And he has pushed into the top 100 for Liquidbet for the first time.
It's so great to see a young player who has been thrown into the pit with all these powerhouses such as Bisu, Stork, Jaedong, Savior, Anytime, Mind and not lose hope, but have a strong motivation and desire to improve and to emerge at the Star Invitational as the victor.
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new bonjwa .. he will dominate for long time
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On March 02 2008 03:05 Obi-1.Kulinobi wrote:
new bonjwa .. he will dominate for long time
no.
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On March 02 2008 03:05 Obi-1.Kulinobi wrote:
new bonjwa .. he will dominate for long time
dammit im getting sick and tired of ppl naming bonjwa just becuz they dominate.... Flash has only won a GSI... he hasnt won an MSL or OSL so far.....
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calling bonjwa should be a ban and thread close.
Ever since Bisu and Jaedong being called like that they get whipped in the butt. Let not let that jinx Flash.
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Flash
the GG-Teran
goes heavy gol gol forcing a player to gg ;D
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On March 02 2008 03:05 Obi-1.Kulinobi wrote:
new bonjwa .. he will dominate for long time
NOT
gtfo
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On March 02 2008 05:43 Obi-1.Kulinobi wrote:
u will see
This should be insta-ban right here.
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On March 02 2008 06:02 anch wrote:
calling bonjwa should be a ban and thread close.
Ever since Bisu and Jaedong being called like that they get whipped in the butt. Let not let that jinx Flash.
It's not jinx, and plus, Flash is just coming up, he's not that dominant yet. He has to win some tournaments to show dominance. Not even Stork gained that kind of momentum.
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So what do you think is Flash's best or most interesting mu? He's shown us awesome things in each mu.
I find him entertaining as hell to watch. He does so many cool and new things on top of having solid as hell macro.
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On March 02 2008 12:22 Purind wrote:
So what do you think is Flash's best or most interesting mu? He's shown us awesome things in each mu.
I find him entertaining as hell to watch. He does so many cool and new things on top of having solid as hell macro.
I was wondering that as well. I think his TvT is the strongest but it's exactly not the most INTERESTING matchup, haha. I would have to go with his TvP. He has truly impressed me with the games verses Bisu/Stork.
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On March 02 2008 12:30 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2008 12:22 Purind wrote:
So what do you think is Flash's best or most interesting mu? He's shown us awesome things in each mu.
I find him entertaining as hell to watch. He does so many cool and new things on top of having solid as hell macro. I was wondering that as well. I think his TvT is the strongest but it's exactly not the most INTERESTING matchup, haha. I would have to go with his TvP. He has truly impressed me with the games verses Bisu/Stork.
Agreed. I hadn't really heard or seen much of Flash since he did the 2-0 cheese vs Bisu a while back. When I watched the GSI games and the OSL games, I was truly amazed with his TvP. He completely revolutionized how Katrina should be played in that mu, and his build seems to be fairly to counter the current generation's standard pvt. I love watching flash play because I still know that, along with his superior macro, he has the ability to execute stunning rushes and cheese with excellent micro. IMO, Flash has evolved into a really awesome player to watch.
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intrigue
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flash has said several times that tvz is his best mu, i haven't seen that much of it though so i don't have a real opinion on that
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look at how fast he is improving... plus he is so young and he is terran and imo with terran is easier to dominate because its more mechanic race
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flash is like nada's illegitimate son. lawl.
the games he played near the end of this month just pwned big time.
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Just a thought - Flash defeated all top three players as of Kespa Feb 2008. Interesting. The guy is scary, reminds me a little of iloveoov, but i for some reason don't like him (well it happens a lot to me - i don't like players who win over my favourite ones)
Let's see if he manages to dominate for a long time.
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I can't believe Jaedong's new dominance era has ended so quickly in favour to Flash's... I mean a wee k a go everyone talked how Jaedong was the best sc player of all times, now it seems as if it is actually Flash...
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Nevermind, Flash is definitely one of the best but Jaedong isn't K.O. yet. Actually I believe that Jaedong is still the best player right now, he just has to find back to his real skill.
+ Show Spoiler +Like not cheesing Flash in all games which obviously was a result of pure desperation.
And Stork - who's the best protoss player out there, no doubt -
+ Show Spoiler +also didn't play 100% against Flash, he took a lot of unneccessary risk with some of his attacks, he kept wasting dragoons, shuttles and even a carrier on Katrina as if he felt invincible.
Flash is a phenomen and currently he shows the best of terran which is why I'm a fan of him. But I'm a fan of Jaedong as well and that not just because he's got the strongest arms of all progamers right now. I believe that the Jaedong vs Flash vs Stork vs Jaedong rivalry will go on!
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On March 02 2008 21:16 ForAdun wrote:Nevermind, Flash is definitely one of the best but Jaedong isn't K.O. yet. Actually I believe that Jaedong is still the best player right now, he just has to find back to his real skill. + Show Spoiler +Like not cheesing Flash in all games which obviously was a result of pure desperation. And Stork - who's the best protoss player out there, no doubt - + Show Spoiler +also didn't play 100% against Flash, he took a lot of unneccessary risk with some of his attacks, he kept wasting dragoons, shuttles and even a carrier on Katrina as if he felt invincible. Flash is a phenomen and currently he shows the best of terran which is why I'm a fan of him. But I'm a fan of Jaedong as well and that not just because he's got the strongest arms of all progamers right now. I believe that the Jaedong vs Flash vs Stork vs Jaedong rivalry will go on!
If anyone else say Jaedong is done i will punch him in the face. Are you guys crazy? Did you even see jae vs flash games?
2 losses on Katrina = couldn't adapt to Flash build only on this map. This is 100% temporary thing
1 loss on Troy = perfect timing by Flash. Also a little luck factor in here cause +1 sunken would save the day
1 loss on Blue Storm = nice cheese by Flash. A mistake by Jaedong for going 12 hatch without checking opponent with his drone on a 1v1 map.
1 loss on Baekmagoji = very close game with failed cheese from Jaedong. I'm not sure should Jaedong play straight he would be a winner
And remember that 1 week before these games Jaedong 3:1'ed Flash playing straight on practically same maps (Katrina and Blue Storm)
That sums it up - this is a good rivalry for us and Jaedong is still the shit.
PS. i miss savior though Sometimes Jaedong plays too immature.
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