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WARNING: Contains Spoilers
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13295 Posts
September 01 2025 14:12 GMT
#101
Interesting effort didn’t go til round three. SK once again manufactured a pretty soft group for himself. Group C is by far the toughest. Group B should be killer too. Light and Soma seem a class above in Group D.

A: SK and Rush
B: Best and Queen
C: snow and JD
D: Light and Soma
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RogueTheGOAT
Profile Joined July 2025
166 Posts
September 01 2025 18:56 GMT
#102
On September 01 2025 23:05 Simplistik wrote:
Not quite enough Zerg for a full Ro8...

If they get 7, then ASL 21 needs to be full island maps with none of the bullshit they add to make them "balanced" which typically swings them hard in Zerg's favor.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5198 Posts
September 01 2025 18:57 GMT
#103
Thanks Kona! It's nice to read a good summary of what was said like this!
FBH #1!
art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1202 Posts
September 01 2025 20:23 GMT
#104
Effort:"Pick me if you want to lose" Why can't more players have that confidence
Flash should fear Sacsri
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4228 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-01 21:04:17
September 01 2025 21:02 GMT
#105
So.. who's playing who in the first bo1's?
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4228 Posts
September 01 2025 21:03 GMT
#106
These are really sick looking groups, especially group C. Phew..

Hope for some awesome games!
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2094 Posts
September 02 2025 02:58 GMT
#107
On September 02 2025 06:02 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
So.. who's playing who in the first bo1's?

Top seed against first pick would be my guess. So SK vs Barracks etc
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States923 Posts
September 02 2025 05:22 GMT
#108
On August 29 2025 17:40 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2025 08:45 TMNT wrote:
I think Soulkey is not gonna win this season. No particular reason. Just feel like the odds of winning 5 in a row is too slim, especially when there are so many Zergs and he may not be the best motivated after 4 peat, plus he's not lookin amazing online recently (although he never did, online)

Soulkey did have periods where he looked amazing online, but these periods were never right before an ASL. Soulkey always gets into peak form whenever it is his time to play. Last four seasons he got progressively better online the deeper he got into the tournament, allegedly because his motivation increases along with his activity. What is different however is that after the first three wins he had a more dominant 2 months after in his online play. This time around the two months after he was not as dominant, and he was less active. We could take this as a sign of losing his competitive drive. I'd say it is too early to say, but it is not impossible.

Also his two only competitors over these past two years, Light, and SnOw, and for the last season a peaking Best who doesnt count for this specific comparison, are at their lowest points of activity in years. Whether this decreased activity will hurt their performance or whether it was just enough to stay in form is something we will find out in the ro16.

on paper this season is due to above reasons the perfect season for someone else to take the throne. SoMa, Bisu, Jaedong, Queen specifically come to mind with how the maps are rather zerg favored. Even Larva has a chance because his activity level is insanely high.


How are the maps zerg favored?? lmao
Life is just life
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey639 Posts
September 02 2025 07:17 GMT
#109
On September 02 2025 14:22 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2025 17:40 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On August 29 2025 08:45 TMNT wrote:
I think Soulkey is not gonna win this season. No particular reason. Just feel like the odds of winning 5 in a row is too slim, especially when there are so many Zergs and he may not be the best motivated after 4 peat, plus he's not lookin amazing online recently (although he never did, online)

Soulkey did have periods where he looked amazing online, but these periods were never right before an ASL. Soulkey always gets into peak form whenever it is his time to play. Last four seasons he got progressively better online the deeper he got into the tournament, allegedly because his motivation increases along with his activity. What is different however is that after the first three wins he had a more dominant 2 months after in his online play. This time around the two months after he was not as dominant, and he was less active. We could take this as a sign of losing his competitive drive. I'd say it is too early to say, but it is not impossible.

Also his two only competitors over these past two years, Light, and SnOw, and for the last season a peaking Best who doesnt count for this specific comparison, are at their lowest points of activity in years. Whether this decreased activity will hurt their performance or whether it was just enough to stay in form is something we will find out in the ro16.

on paper this season is due to above reasons the perfect season for someone else to take the throne. SoMa, Bisu, Jaedong, Queen specifically come to mind with how the maps are rather zerg favored. Even Larva has a chance because his activity level is insanely high.


How are the maps zerg favored?? lmao

Bridged expansions are z>>p,t. For PvT it helps if expansion is small; for terran, large expansions.
Turrican
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
September 02 2025 08:00 GMT
#110
Gah. Why is mini always in stupid groups with Snow. I have 2 Protoss hopes and they’re always threatening each other. This is a Zerg heavy asl. Give me mini PvZ gah. So annoyed. Mini in group B is perfect. Don’t waste the Ro8 on best.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1057 Posts
September 02 2025 08:45 GMT
#111
On September 01 2025 20:29 konadora wrote:
[image loading]


Ro16 final group



A: Soulkey and Rush
B: Queen and Bisu
C: SnOw and Jaedong
D: SoMa and Light.

I will be wrong about these predictiona as usual.
JDON MY SOUL!
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3081 Posts
September 02 2025 09:24 GMT
#112
Mini recently played 9 games against Jaedong and only lost to some dumb all-ins. Personal bias aside, Mini looks stronger. JD even skipping spire and full sending it, so Mini rocked sair/reaver and made like it was a 90s Arnold movie and 360-snapped jd's neck so hard it unscrewed off and like bounced out of the dude's house like a basketball. And then Mini shot it from his window with a fucking crossbow and it exploded. It was unbelievable.

I'm hoping people actually cook some shit up and don't just walk in expecting their morning coffee to work against former champions. SnOw, Light, Bisu, Rush, etc. tend to play a normal game and eventually get sat on. Maybe SnOw's the exception.
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1660 Posts
September 02 2025 11:35 GMT
#113
On September 02 2025 18:24 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Mini recently played 9 games against Jaedong and only lost to some dumb all-ins. Personal bias aside, Mini looks stronger. JD even skipping spire and full sending it, so Mini rocked sair/reaver and made like it was a 90s Arnold movie and 360-snapped jd's neck so hard it unscrewed off and like bounced out of the dude's house like a basketball. And then Mini shot it from his window with a fucking crossbow and it exploded. It was unbelievable.

I'm hoping people actually cook some shit up and don't just walk in expecting their morning coffee to work against former champions. SnOw, Light, Bisu, Rush, etc. tend to play a normal game and eventually get sat on. Maybe SnOw's the exception.


He often does plenty of all ins and/or timing push during these bo7 matches which are inconsequent and a good playground to try out stuff. He opened hatch 12 so many times. It is highly unlikely that he will play this way for ASL imo.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
September 02 2025 14:57 GMT
#114
Mini is one of those players that almost always does something crazy in his ASL matches. Even if he's not the best P, he's so fun to watch.
Free Palestine
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey639 Posts
September 02 2025 15:18 GMT
#115
On September 02 2025 23:57 Ideas wrote:
Mini is one of those players that almost always does something crazy in his ASL matches. Even if he's not the best P, he's so fun to watch.

Is it me, or is he going to get streamrolled by Snow?
Turrican
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1057 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-02 15:48:13
September 02 2025 15:41 GMT
#116
On September 03 2025 00:18 mtcn77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2025 23:57 Ideas wrote:
Mini is one of those players that almost always does something crazy in his ASL matches. Even if he's not the best P, he's so fun to watch.

Is it me, or is he going to get streamrolled by Snow?

SnOw usually wins PvP iirc. He uses to be weaker than Mini at it, but he has evolved.

[image loading]


[image loading]


JDON MY SOUL!
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey639 Posts
September 02 2025 16:42 GMT
#117
What surprises me is there is equal chance of True progressing into the round of 8 versus all the prime suspects in Group C not making it out. It is just an unprecedented group selection, in my opinion.
Turrican
barcodejester
Profile Joined March 2022
51 Posts
September 02 2025 16:47 GMT
#118


How are the maps zerg favored?? lmao



thats how the games are currently playing out in KCM, DPL & ASL

Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8148 Posts
September 02 2025 17:23 GMT
#119
On September 03 2025 01:42 mtcn77 wrote:
What surprises me is there is equal chance of True progressing into the round of 8 versus all the prime suspects in Group C not making it out. It is just an unprecedented group selection, in my opinion.


I feel like since Ro16 has Bo3s there's a far lower chance for true to succeed than in Ro24. But who knows.
Free Palestine
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1764 Posts
September 02 2025 17:41 GMT
#120
I think these are all well-balanced groups with lots of ASL winners and finalists (11/16). Nothing like last season's stacked group of Snow, Rush, Mini and hero.

Jaedong has a good chance to get through to Ro8. He can out-micro Snow and Mini and should be ok with Sharp.

Speed can probably upset someone in his group.
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