On July 15 2025 21:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: From 21 may to 15 july dont gonna lie to you those numbers seem so low. I swear to god i do 55 in 3 days (when i was active) LOL. Everyone took holydays on june or wut ?
I dont know the reason for FlaSh not playing the last ASL. Did he post anything ? Could be that the surgery he had before didnt do anything and he decided to take this new surgery ?
No gonna lie 55 games in 1 month is the range of games im expecting from someone like Rain. That numbers of games sound reasonable for Rain playing in ASL and doing well. But someone like Effort/Last/Rush/Light/Hero is pretty low.
It's 21 June, not May. Maybe if you can read my posts properly or double check yourself on eloboard.com, we don't have to waste time correcting facts like this.
But FlaSh surgery happened the 21 may.
Mind posting the stats from that date ? I deadass think you do that shit in purpose lol. I was telling how flash not been as active as his peers. And you came like usual with your cherry picking. You know what. NVM. lol
On July 15 2025 21:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: From 21 may to 15 july dont gonna lie to you those numbers seem so low. I swear to god i do 55 in 3 days (when i was active) LOL. Everyone took holydays on june or wut ?
I dont know the reason for FlaSh not playing the last ASL. Did he post anything ? Could be that the surgery he had before didnt do anything and he decided to take this new surgery ?
No gonna lie 55 games in 1 month is the range of games im expecting from someone like Rain. That numbers of games sound reasonable for Rain playing in ASL and doing well. But someone like Effort/Last/Rush/Light/Hero is pretty low.
It's 21 June, not May. Maybe if you can read my posts properly or double check yourself on eloboard.com, we don't have to waste time correcting facts like this.
But FlaSh surgery happened the 21 may.
Mind posting the stats from that date ? I deadass think you do that shit in purpose lol. I was telling how flash not been as active as his peers. And you came like usual with your cherry picking. You know what. NVM. lol
I'm sorry but it's your lack of reading comprehension skill and probably low IQ, that causes your confusion and once again, before properly doing some thinking yourself, you wrongly accused me of something malicious.
I said that Flash had a major breakfrom May 07 to June 21 this year (as in he had no games recorded during that period), that's why the count of games post-surgery is from June 21 you dumbass. Or do you think he had surgery on May 21 and resumed playing on the same day and we should start the count from there?
So i asked about FlaSh activity but you went ahead and posted others activity and saying others maybe should not play ASL either when in reality you just ignore that others were indeed active while FlaSh wasnt. Hey man it is what it is. You doing that from day 1 one.
On July 15 2025 21:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: From 21 may to 15 july dont gonna lie to you those numbers seem so low. I swear to god i do 55 in 3 days (when i was active) LOL. Everyone took holydays on june or wut ?
I dont know the reason for FlaSh not playing the last ASL. Did he post anything ? Could be that the surgery he had before didnt do anything and he decided to take this new surgery ?
No gonna lie 55 games in 1 month is the range of games im expecting from someone like Rain. That numbers of games sound reasonable for Rain playing in ASL and doing well. But someone like Effort/Last/Rush/Light/Hero is pretty low.
It's 21 June, not May. Maybe if you can read my posts properly or double check yourself on eloboard.com, we don't have to waste time correcting facts like this.
But FlaSh surgery happened the 21 may.
Mind posting the stats from that date ? I deadass think you do that shit in purpose lol. I was telling how flash not been as active as his peers. And you came like usual with your cherry picking. You know what. NVM. lol
I'm sorry but it's your lack of reading comprehension skill and probably low IQ, that causes your confusion and once again, before properly doing some thinking yourself, you wrongly accused me of something malicious.
I said that Flash had a major breakfrom May 07 to June 21 this year (as in he had no games recorded during that period), that's why the count of games post-surgery is from June 21 you dumbass. Or do you think he had surgery on May 21 and resumed playing on the same day and we should start the count from there?
My honest opinion, and feel free to reject my feedback, but maybe just give up. I'm certainly giving up. People like him assume they're literally always right and they act according to that core assumption (generally reminds me of a lot of people in this forum). It leads to all kinds of trolling and other idiocy, but never to a moment of understanding or admission or anything of that sort. It's an exercise in futility.
On July 15 2025 23:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: So i asked about FlaSh activity but you went ahead and posted others activity and saying others maybe should not play ASL either when in reality you just ignore that others were indeed active while FlaSh wasnt. Hey man it is what it is. You doing that from day 1 one.
Wow. As usual, Eonzerg and logic. Cannot be in the same sentence.
How active they are is measured by how many games they play, not how many breaks they take. All players have major or minor breaks doing whatever they do, do you take that into account? No you don't have to, because if such breaks affect their activity, it will naturally show on their total game count. As far as I know, Light took a bigger break earlier this year due to mental issue from raising his child, for example.
Also think about this: if Flash had one month break due to surgery, and still registered 100 games more than Soulkey in the last 9 months, doesn't that mean he was even much more active than Soulkey during the other 8 months?
Flash has that one break from May 07 to June 21 this year due to that surgery, but apart from that period he has been playing consistently and has more games than Light and Soulkey since October 2024. That is a fact that no one can spin any other way. I can't even cherry pick if I want.
You are the one who posed this statement first:
Also idk where this energy is coming from that guys are saying FlaSh is playing a lot. you can basically go to his afreeca page and see that he is one of the less active players atm.
I showed facts that prove he has been as active, if not more, than Light and Soulkey, whether you count the period since October 2024 (his comeback) or since June 21 2025 (after he resumed playing from his surgery). And by active, that means he has more online games recorded on eloboard.
I mean, my definitions and boundaries are always well defined. My source of data is public there and anyone can check. I could not be more clear about my writings.
On July 15 2025 23:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: So i asked about FlaSh activity but you went ahead and posted others activity and saying others maybe should not play ASL either when in reality you just ignore that others were indeed active while FlaSh wasnt. Hey man it is what it is. You doing that from day 1 one.
Also idk where this energy is coming from that guys are saying FlaSh is playing a lot. you can basically go to his afreeca page and see that he is one of the less active players atm.
I showed facts that prove he has been as active, if not more, than Light and Soulkey, whether you count the period since October 2024 (his comeback) or since June 21 2025 (after he resumed playing from his surgery). And by active, that means he has more online games recorded on eloboard.
I mean, my definitions and boundaries are always well defined. My source of data is public there and anyone can check. I could not be more clear about my writings.
I didnt question how active has been FlaSh in the past. We are talking about why FlaSh is not participating in the next ASL.
FlaSh was super active by your data. Then had a surgery cuz i imagine the pain was too much right ? or there is not surgery and everything is fake and now he is playing again. ASL got announced and he is dodging it to no feel the shame of losing vs Light/Mini/Snow/Best.
It doesnt really occur to you that he is not participating cuz the pain is too much after putting the work he think is required to win a tournament ?
Isnt FlaSh known as someone that put insane of hours in practice ? He doesnt even consider himself talented but a guy that put insane amount of work.
I mean right now we are in this weird arguments where a human is having pain and is forced to get surgeries to try to fix it.A player that stopped his progaming career in his prime in order to fix the issue. And we are just no believing him and instead find more accurate to accuse him of dodging the tournament cuz he is not favorite.
2 surgeries in less than 2 years is crazy btw.
I cant even believe we have people like that thinking this way honestly.
On July 15 2025 23:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: So i asked about FlaSh activity but you went ahead and posted others activity and saying others maybe should not play ASL either when in reality you just ignore that others were indeed active while FlaSh wasnt. Hey man it is what it is. You doing that from day 1 one.
You are the one who posed this statement first:
Also idk where this energy is coming from that guys are saying FlaSh is playing a lot. you can basically go to his afreeca page and see that he is one of the less active players atm.
I showed facts that prove he has been as active, if not more, than Light and Soulkey, whether you count the period since October 2024 (his comeback) or since June 21 2025 (after he resumed playing from his surgery). And by active, that means he has more online games recorded on eloboard.
I mean, my definitions and boundaries are always well defined. My source of data is public there and anyone can check. I could not be more clear about my writings.
I didnt question how active has been FlaSh in the past. We are talking about why FlaSh is not participating in the next ASL.
FlaSh was super active by your data. Then had a surgery cuz i imagine the pain was too much right ? or there is not surgery and everything is fake and now he is playing again. ASL got announced and he is dodging it to no feel the shame of losing vs Light/Mini/Snow/Best.
It doesnt really occur to you that he is not participating cuz the pain is too much after putting the work he think is required to win a tournament ?
Isnt FlaSh known as someone that put insane of hours in practice ? He doesnt even consider himself talented but a guy that put insane amount of work.
I mean right now we are in this weird arguments where a human is having pain and is forced to get surgeries to try to fix it.A player that stopped his progaming career in his prime in order to fix the issue. And we are just no believing him and instead find more accurate to accuse him of dodging the tournament cuz he is not favorite.
2 surgeries in less than 2 years is crazy btw.
I cant even believe we have people like that thinking this way honestly.
I would really appreciate if you can argue by presenting counter-arguments to my points, which are based on facts, instead of rambling on yours, which are based on beliefs.
Please answer directly this question: since Flash came back until now, he has played 478 onlines games. In the same period, Light has 415 games and Soulkey 374. If the pain is too much to the point that it makes him physically incapable of playing, why does he have more games than current ASL champion and semi-finalist? Do you think the pain only shows up at ASL studio but not at home?
On July 15 2025 23:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: So i asked about FlaSh activity but you went ahead and posted others activity and saying others maybe should not play ASL either when in reality you just ignore that others were indeed active while FlaSh wasnt. Hey man it is what it is. You doing that from day 1 one.
You are the one who posed this statement first:
Also idk where this energy is coming from that guys are saying FlaSh is playing a lot. you can basically go to his afreeca page and see that he is one of the less active players atm.
I showed facts that prove he has been as active, if not more, than Light and Soulkey, whether you count the period since October 2024 (his comeback) or since June 21 2025 (after he resumed playing from his surgery). And by active, that means he has more online games recorded on eloboard.
I mean, my definitions and boundaries are always well defined. My source of data is public there and anyone can check. I could not be more clear about my writings.
I didnt question how active has been FlaSh in the past. We are talking about why FlaSh is not participating in the next ASL.
FlaSh was super active by your data. Then had a surgery cuz i imagine the pain was too much right ? or there is not surgery and everything is fake and now he is playing again. ASL got announced and he is dodging it to no feel the shame of losing vs Light/Mini/Snow/Best.
It doesnt really occur to you that he is not participating cuz the pain is too much after putting the work he think is required to win a tournament ?
Isnt FlaSh known as someone that put insane of hours in practice ? He doesnt even consider himself talented but a guy that put insane amount of work.
I mean right now we are in this weird arguments where a human is having pain and is forced to get surgeries to try to fix it.A player that stopped his progaming career in his prime in order to fix the issue. And we are just no believing him and instead find more accurate to accuse him of dodging the tournament cuz he is not favorite.
2 surgeries in less than 2 years is crazy btw.
I cant even believe we have people like that thinking this way honestly.
I would really appreciate if you can argue by presenting counter-arguments to my points, which are based on facts, instead of rambling on yours, which are based on beliefs.
Please answer directly this question: since Flash came back until now, he has played 478 onlines games. In the same period, Light has 415 games and Soulkey 374. If the pain is too much to the point that it makes him physically incapable of playing, why does he have more games than current ASL champion and semi-finalist? Do you think the pain only shows up at ASL studio but not at home?
He just had surgery may 21 tho ? He played 478 games then had surgery what that means TMNT ?
BTW idk if where do you live one day you wake up and do you feel pain and just decide to go to the Hospital to get surgery. Usually what happen is that you have this issue and do you go to the doctor and then set a date.(usually months depending the hospital demand ) So is not like he just woke up one day before ASL and said shit i better take this surgery now so i avoid playing the next ASL.
And you know what. This argument reached his end point. Atleast by my side. No gonna waste more time with this.
On July 15 2025 23:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: So i asked about FlaSh activity but you went ahead and posted others activity and saying others maybe should not play ASL either when in reality you just ignore that others were indeed active while FlaSh wasnt. Hey man it is what it is. You doing that from day 1 one.
You are the one who posed this statement first:
Also idk where this energy is coming from that guys are saying FlaSh is playing a lot. you can basically go to his afreeca page and see that he is one of the less active players atm.
I showed facts that prove he has been as active, if not more, than Light and Soulkey, whether you count the period since October 2024 (his comeback) or since June 21 2025 (after he resumed playing from his surgery). And by active, that means he has more online games recorded on eloboard.
I mean, my definitions and boundaries are always well defined. My source of data is public there and anyone can check. I could not be more clear about my writings.
I didnt question how active has been FlaSh in the past. We are talking about why FlaSh is not participating in the next ASL.
FlaSh was super active by your data. Then had a surgery cuz i imagine the pain was too much right ? or there is not surgery and everything is fake and now he is playing again. ASL got announced and he is dodging it to no feel the shame of losing vs Light/Mini/Snow/Best.
It doesnt really occur to you that he is not participating cuz the pain is too much after putting the work he think is required to win a tournament ?
Isnt FlaSh known as someone that put insane of hours in practice ? He doesnt even consider himself talented but a guy that put insane amount of work.
I mean right now we are in this weird arguments where a human is having pain and is forced to get surgeries to try to fix it.A player that stopped his progaming career in his prime in order to fix the issue. And we are just no believing him and instead find more accurate to accuse him of dodging the tournament cuz he is not favorite.
2 surgeries in less than 2 years is crazy btw.
I cant even believe we have people like that thinking this way honestly.
I would really appreciate if you can argue by presenting counter-arguments to my points, which are based on facts, instead of rambling on yours, which are based on beliefs.
Please answer directly this question: since Flash came back until now, he has played 478 onlines games. In the same period, Light has 415 games and Soulkey 374. If the pain is too much to the point that it makes him physically incapable of playing, why does he have more games than current ASL champion and semi-finalist? Do you think the pain only shows up at ASL studio but not at home?
He just had surgery may 21 tho ? He played 478 games then had surgery what that means TMNT ?
Do you really need to act that dumb. I clearly meant since he came back to streaming after military and coingate, as in October 2024
BTW idk if where do you live one day you wake up and do you feel pain and just decide to go to the Hospital to get surgery. Usually what happen is that you have this issue and do you go to the doctor and then set a date.(usually months depending the hospital demand ) So is not like he just woke up one day before ASL and said shit i better take this surgery now so i avoid playing the next ASL.
And you know what. This argument reached his end point. Atleast by my side. No gonna waste more time with this.
My pleasure. It's no fun arguing with troll-like level of arguments.
At the end of the day, the matter of fact is, if your injury physically prevents you from playing, it should prevent you both online and offline. And if you're still capable of putting on a lot of games online (same amount as many ASL participants), then you are capable of playing offline. There's no two ways about that.
Eonzerg's post also prompted me to look into further evidences of Flash "putting in insane hours of practice" before a tournament. Here's an example.
He had an ASL group stage Ro16 on March 15, 2020 - the last tourney he played as Terran. - On March 08, he put in 8 hours of LOL - On March 09, he put in 7.5 hours of LOL - On March 10, he put in 7.5 h of LOL - On March 12, he put in 3 h of LOL - On March 13, he put in 4 h of LOL - He didn't stream on March 11 and 14
If I said that was Rain's stream, no one would cast a doubt. Mind, I'm not trying to say Flash doesn't/didn't practice hard. But looking at this example, or his usual streaming content, or his number of games recorded online, his regime doesn't look significantly, or any different at all, compared to his colleagues.
Point is, I think it's quite safe to say his playing intensity now is similar to his pre-military, and also similar to many other ASL participants. So I see his reason for not competing in ASL not convincing. Had he played a pathetic 137 games during the past 9 months (Rain's number), I would be convinced.
Bottom line is, he is playing a ton. Just as much as he was in the past, just as much as any other ASL contenders.
So why don't play in ASL ? Probably (read certainly) because he doesn't feel like he is the favorite anymore.
Could it be because the game has evolved too fast and players are much better ? Most certainly. Could it be because his wrists issues prevent him from playing his A-game ? May be, but unfortunately, it's hard to believe what he is saying...
That being said, he can do whatever he wants. Should JJ fight Aspinall ? Probably, but if he doesn't and prefer to retire, that's totally understandable. At least for me. Those guys earned the right to do so without having to justify themselves.
Bottom line; if a man in pain requiring constant surgeries says "i am too injured and in pain to compete" and your response is "I dont believe you" you might just be an immature piece of shit.
On July 16 2025 12:01 Ze'ev wrote: Bottom line; if a man in pain requiring constant surgeries says "i am too injured and in pain to compete" and your response is "I dont believe you" you might just be an immature piece of shit.
Luckily he doesn't say so and for sure doesn't act so.
Also same man who's been known for lying and has an ego so big that when a colleague said he didn't fear him as much as Bisu and JD, he proceeded to group bully said colleague for "how dare you not see me as your god".
On July 16 2025 12:01 Ze'ev wrote: Bottom line; if a man in pain requiring constant surgeries says "i am too injured and in pain to compete" and your response is "I dont believe you" you might just be an immature piece of shit.
Luckily he doesn't say so and for sure doesn't act so.
Also same man who's been known for lying and has an ego so big that when a colleague said he didn't fear him as much as Bisu and JD, he proceeded to group bully said colleague for "how dare you not see me as your god".
On July 16 2025 12:01 Ze'ev wrote: Bottom line; if a man in pain requiring constant surgeries says "i am too injured and in pain to compete" and your response is "I dont believe you" you might just be an immature piece of shit.
Luckily he doesn't say so and for sure doesn't act so.
Also same man who's been known for lying and has an ego so big that when a colleague said he didn't fear him as much as Bisu and JD, he proceeded to group bully said colleague for "how dare you not see me as your god".
Malaka
This response right here fits the description of immature piece of shit more than anything.
Could it be because his wrists issues prevent him from playing his A-game ? May be, but unfortunately, it's hard to believe what he is saying.
I've also got to say, I have no doubt this is also the case. Of course if your wrists aren't what they used to be, you can't be at your 100%.
The thing is, his wrists pre-military were also like this and he was competing back then. How can after almost 4 years of inactivity and rest, they became worst? And why didn't he fix it during that time?
And secondly, you can say the same for other players. Hasn't JD suffered from wrist pain as well? But he's still competing. If he's not at his 100% and goes out in Ro24/16, so be it. He doesn't need a built-in excuse. He didn't retire the moment he was no longer the no. 1 Zerg anymore.
On July 15 2025 21:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: From 21 may to 15 july dont gonna lie to you those numbers seem so low. I swear to god i do 55 in 3 days (when i was active) LOL. Everyone took holydays on june or wut ?
I dont know the reason for FlaSh not playing the last ASL. Did he post anything ? Could be that the surgery he had before didnt do anything and he decided to take this new surgery ?
No gonna lie 55 games in 1 month is the range of games im expecting from someone like Rain. That numbers of games sound reasonable for Rain playing in ASL and doing well. But someone like Effort/Last/Rush/Light/Hero is pretty low.
It's 21 June, not May. Maybe if you can read my posts properly or double check yourself on eloboard.com, we don't have to waste time correcting facts like this.
But FlaSh surgery happened the 21 may.
Mind posting the stats from that date ? I deadass think you do that shit in purpose lol. I was telling how flash not been as active as his peers. And you came like usual with your cherry picking. You know what. NVM. lol
I'm sorry but it's your lack of reading comprehension skill and probably low IQ, that causes your confusion and once again, before properly doing some thinking yourself, you wrongly accused me of something malicious.
I said that Flash had a major breakfrom May 07 to June 21 this year (as in he had no games recorded during that period), that's why the count of games post-surgery is from June 21 you dumbass. Or do you think he had surgery on May 21 and resumed playing on the same day and we should start the count from there?
My honest opinion, and feel free to reject my feedback, but maybe just give up. I'm certainly giving up. People like him assume they're literally always right and they act according to that core assumption (generally reminds me of a lot of people in this forum). It leads to all kinds of trolling and other idiocy, but never to a moment of understanding or admission or anything of that sort. It's an exercise in futility.
Surgeries cause pain. What don't you guys understand about it that you make up conspiracy theory counter arguments?
Could it be because his wrists issues prevent him from playing his A-game ? May be, but unfortunately, it's hard to believe what he is saying.
I've also got to say, I have no doubt this is also the case. Of course if your wrists aren't what they used to be, you can't be at your 100%.
The thing is, his wrists pre-military were also like this and he was competing back then. How can after almost 4 years of inactivity and rest, they became worst? And why didn't he fix it during that time?
And secondly, you can say the same for other players. Hasn't JD suffered from wrist pain as well? But he's still competing. If he's not at his 100% and goes out in Ro24/16, so be it. He doesn't need a built-in excuse. He didn't retire the moment he was no longer the no. 1 Zerg anymore.
That is Jaedong. Flash has always been this cheeser who never took things seriously. Jaedong however could only pass the proscene selection after the third try, I believe. They don't come from the same background.
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