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[ASL19] Ro16 Group Discussion Thread
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GTR
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GTR
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lamarine
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WombaT
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On April 08 2025 07:00 lamarine wrote: why did SK put light into his group? Do they get kept out of each other’s way until a potential final if they’re grouped here? | ||
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Sorusaba
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1242 Posts
On April 08 2025 06:54 GTR wrote: Group A seems like SK and Light will proceed, but Barracks and Scan can upset in TvT. Group B is much closer than I have seen people say it is. Speed has had Jaedong's number for the past year and a half. It is going to be toughest for JD in this group because Jaedong also doesnt do super well vs Best. Sharp is hard to gauge because he can perform really well on stage, but it doesnt always show in online play. He is difficult to place because of it. Anything can happen in this group and it is a group of great uncertainty. Chaos group. Group C has the same issue as Group B. Everyone is really strong and in good form. Rain looked weakish in the past months but He recently beat Speed in a best of series and seems to have his act together again just on time. We will have to wait and see if he actually brings it on stage. He is the hardest to place in this group because its all PvZ or PvP, and I dont have much data for how he has been faring vs zerg recently. Bisu, Action, and Queen all look like they are in great shape. Bisu looked shaky in Ro24 but since his return to streaming he has look great. Group D is the ultimate group of death and doom of all time. Snow best toss for years now. Mini when he peaks he is almost the best. Rush has always been a solid solid performer in these match ups. HerO lools super strong and better than ever. | ||
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maybe
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Edit: maybe this too On April 08 2025 07:30 WombaT wrote: Do they get kept out of each other’s way until a potential final if they’re grouped here? | ||
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maybe
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
Always rooting for Mini. And this might be the season of Speed. Can't wait! | ||
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prosatan
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prosatan
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But it is a lottery for LB.. | ||
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iFU.pauline
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prosatan
Romania8823 Posts
On April 08 2025 15:35 iFU.pauline wrote: It is hard to predict anything with a bo1. For all I know, aside of SK group, it could go in any direction. Is bo1 or bo 3 ?? | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines613 Posts
Group B: Speed is looking so good recently so I am sort of expecting him to get through, but I'm rooting for JD all the way. Group C will depend on which Rain will show up. If it is the lazy ass Rain that prefers playing league or watching university over taking proleague seriously, then I'd rather have Bisu and ZerO go through instead. Grpup D: I root for Snow but dude has the odds stacked against him. Maybe him and Mini will go through. | ||
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konadora
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HOLYBATS
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Last.Midnight
Australia906 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8823 Posts
On April 08 2025 18:20 HOLYBATS wrote: Dual tournament format: First two matches: Bo1 - Final three matches: Bo3 thanks HOLYBATS ! | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4264 Posts
A - Soulkey vs Scan Light vs BarrackS B - Sharp vs Speed Jaedong vs Best C - Rain vs Action Bisu vs ZerO D - SnOw vs Rush hero vs Mini right??? | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4264 Posts
On April 08 2025 17:27 konadora wrote: man those groups are crazy lol my thoughts exactly probably the most stacked ro16.. ever? with groups C & D being especially bonkers | ||
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TMNT
3171 Posts
Imagine if all the big names were here: JYJ for Scan, Flash for Barracks, Royal for Speed (Speed is not even weaker, just less ASL points), Soma for Action. | ||
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Soft_General_5023
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On April 08 2025 19:52 TMNT wrote: To be fair almost every season the Ro16 is stacked. Imagine if all the big names were here: JYJ for Scan, Flash for Barracks, Royal for Speed (Speed is not even weaker, just less ASL points), Soma for Action. that still could happen in the next season, not sure when Soma is back. Now imagine Larva joining. | ||
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prosatan
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M3t4PhYzX
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19352 Posts
Groups B & C: Players that are good, but all have a track record of coming up short as of late Group D: All players who should win it all, but typically don't | ||
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Soft_General_5023
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is there a bet on that? | ||
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Ideas
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4264 Posts
On April 08 2025 22:45 Ideas wrote: So we'll finally see some games on death valley this round maybe? Not likely. The play-offs maybe. If a series goes full 7 games. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10402 Posts
On April 08 2025 19:33 M3t4PhYzX wrote: my thoughts exactly probably the most stacked ro16.. ever? with groups C & D being especially bonkers Scan is the only real "weak" player who managed to get in this time. I looked back to see if there were any other seasons that only had 1 main weak player. SSL Autumn: Sea (Actually, the only difference in the Ro16 this year is Sea, Royal out, Scan and Queen in) ASL17: Mong (Differences here are Mind, Royal, JYJ, Mong out, Queen, Speed, Scan, Jaedong in) ASL16: Calm, Killer, Ample (pretty weak) ASL15: Shine, sSak, Barracks (before he leveled up) ASL14: Mong, sSak, Shine (somehow made it to Ro8) ASL13: ggaemo ASL12: 815, free, noob, beast, Barracks (before level up) ASL11: Mong, Royal (before level up and formerly known as sorry) ASL10: Leta, free ASL 9: Mong, Barracks, Horang2, Sea.KH ASL 8: Zelot, Sascri (somehow made it over SK for Ro8), Horang2 ASL 7: Horang2, Guemchi, Piano, Calm, Modesty, Sascri (holy weak ASL) ASL 6: Shine (this ASL had a lot more mid-tier players than contenders, but still a pretty strong Ro16) ASL 5: Shine, Where, Movie ASL 4: Mong, Killer (made ro8), sSak, Shine ASL 3: Hyun, ggaemo, Guemchi, Jaehoon, Mong (made ro8). Shine also was here but he somehow made it to the finals on that infamous bag of builds run. ASL 2: Guemchi (made ro8), Rush (before level up), Movie ASL 1: free, Jaehoon, Piano, Mong, sSak Overall, ASL 13, 17, 18, and 19 were the only ones where you had 1 "weak" player. | ||
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Lazyer
United States374 Posts
These groups all look insane to me, I'm really excited for the games! | ||
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iFU.pauline
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TMNT
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On April 09 2025 03:13 iFU.pauline wrote: I feel that all Jaedong needs now is to build up confidence since he is displaying a bit of his former self. If he manages to pass with no struggle, his next opponent will be in real trouble for ro8 whoever that might be. A leap of faith. + Show Spoiler + He just got destroyed 7-2 in a B09 ultimate battle by Rush so don't keep your hope up too much | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1715 Posts
On April 09 2025 03:19 TMNT wrote: + Show Spoiler + He just got destroyed 7-2 in a B09 ultimate battle by Rush so don't keep your hope up too much What about the ultimate battle he won then? | ||
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Zografa
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On a good day he will make it out of his group, but his good days are 50/50 at best. He is not practicing enough imo. He needs to play more, every day. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
On April 08 2025 14:50 prosatan wrote: Group D is insane! But it is a lottery for LB.. I spent a few mins on mine lol. I felt like I was ordering some shit at Starbucks with a huge line behind me. Like I DON'T KNOW MAN, F***. I kinda want the GRANDE SUPREMO but the UBER DELUXE MAGNIFICO is also prty good. o fuck me. I went with: A: Soulkey, Barracks B: Speed, Best C: Queen, Rain D: herO, Mini I'll probably be completely wrong and everyone will laugh at me. I'M USED TO IT. On April 08 2025 21:44 M3t4PhYzX wrote: First round matchups are 1v2 / 3v4? afaik. hence the importance of players picking each other: they're picking their opponent. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8823 Posts
On April 09 2025 04:30 RogerChillingworth wrote: I spent a few mins on mine lol. I felt like I was ordering some shit at Starbucks with a huge line behind me. Like I DON'T KNOW MAN, F***. I kinda want the GRANDE SUPREMO but the UBER DELUXE MAGNIFICO is also prty good. o fuck me. I went with: A: Soulkey, Barracks B: Speed, Best C: Queen, Rain D: herO, Mini I'll probably be completely wrong and everyone will laugh at me. I'M USED TO IT. afaik. hence the importance of players picking each other: they're picking their opponent. I hate it because i didn't vote for JD , but the LB is made with your head , not with your heart ! I got: Sk and Light Best and Speed Bisu and Zero Rush and mini | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Action over Rain, but luckily, Rain has no T. But unfortunately, Action has no T. But luckily, Bisu has no T. And ZerO brings his A-game to this mess, while Action is always a danger for him in ZvsZ. This draw can't be bad for Rain,and i guess Soulkey would have interfere to help him with his Swap if that wasn't the case. I think Bisu is screwed even with this favorable draw, because he hasn't played well at all lately. Somehow, i think Rain and ZerO should advance. | ||
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Ideas
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8866 Posts
On April 08 2025 07:00 lamarine wrote: why did SK put light into his group? because rush and light appealed to him that they arent confident against snow. in order to increase chances of snow being eliminated, a zerg should be in his group. sk was contemplating between sending queen and hero but ultimately sent hero because it eliminates the coinflip zvz matchup in his own group and lets him practice only one matchup for the entire round. | ||
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Lazyer
United States374 Posts
- A: SK/Barracks - B: Sharp/Best - C: Queen/Action (any news on if Rain "practiced" for bw or is playing league?) - D: Hero/Snow | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey783 Posts
On April 09 2025 05:01 prosatan wrote: I hate it because i didn't vote for JD , but the LB is made with your head , not with your heart ! I got: Sk and Light Best and Speed Bisu and Zero Rush and mini | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1242 Posts
On April 09 2025 14:06 evilfatsh1t wrote: because rush and light appealed to him that they arent confident against snow. in order to increase chances of snow being eliminated, a zerg should be in his group. sk was contemplating between sending queen and hero but ultimately sent hero because it eliminates the coinflip zvz matchup in his own group and lets him practice only one matchup for the entire round. Everyone fears SnOw the most right now. Even if it is only in online play, SnOw has lost only three sets out of the last 20+ online sets. One to SK. One to Light. One to HerO. If SnOw can bring that same form from Online into Offline, he will win the season. Not even Soulkey has been able to properly play 50/50 vs SnOw online. However, HerO is currently playing disgustingly good. He might be the one to stand in SnOw's way. Soulkey swapping herO and Light might just have been the best swap in ASL history. | ||
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goody153
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Also SK putting Light in the same group sounds nuts. Although him only worrying about zvt all the time is a big advantage. He can just scrim and practice all zvt all the time. Group B and C sounds like a fun group to watch | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1242 Posts
On April 09 2025 22:01 goody153 wrote: Group D is kinda crazy. Isnt that like 4 ASL champions and the two strongest protoss in one group ? lol Also SK putting Light in the same group sounds nuts. Although him only worrying about zvt all the time is a big advantage. He can just scrim and practice all zvt all the time. Group B and C sounds like a fun group to watch Yeah group D is the most stacked group ever. | ||
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goody153
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On April 09 2025 21:58 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Everyone fears SnOw the most right now. Even if it is only in online play, SnOw has lost only three sets out of the last 20+ online sets. One to SK. One to Light. One to HerO. If SnOw can bring that same form from Online into Offline, he will win the season. Not even Soulkey has been able to properly play 50/50 vs SnOw online. However, HerO is currently playing disgustingly good. He might be the one to stand in SnOw's way. Soulkey swapping herO and Light might just have been the best swap in ASL history. I would love if Snow wins. Been awhile since we had a protoss that actually won ASL. Also adds spice to the competition if Soulkey isnt just dominating everything | ||
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goody153
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On April 09 2025 22:02 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Yeah group D is the most stacked group ever. Honestly I wonder how Group D typically ends up the group of death in ASL. Is it just picking order why this happens ? Like Group D gets the unwanted players most of the time | ||
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Miragee
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Group A: Soulkey and Barracks (mostly because Light played poorly in the Ro24 while Barracks had a strong showing) Group B: Speed and Best (this could go either way; I doubt JD will advance but if he wins his first match vs Best and faces him in the final match, who knows... Group C: Queen and Rain (no idea how good Rain is atm. but he usually need very little practice to be competitive. Bisu looked super weak but in a direct match up against Rain, anything could happen...) Group D: Snow and Hero (Mini could easily take the spot of either of the two tbh. I just think there is a distinct possiblity of Mini losing to Rush in the losers match) On April 09 2025 21:58 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Everyone fears SnOw the most right now. Even if it is only in online play, SnOw has lost only three sets out of the last 20+ online sets. One to SK. One to Light. One to HerO. If SnOw can bring that same form from Online into Offline, he will win the season. Not even Soulkey has been able to properly play 50/50 vs SnOw online. However, HerO is currently playing disgustingly good. He might be the one to stand in SnOw's way. Soulkey swapping herO and Light might just have been the best swap in ASL history. It's always the same and it doesn't matter with Snow. These "low stakes" online series are different. For the time being I think Snow just lacks something fundamental to take an offline tournament such as ASL. His performance in "low-stakes" online matches just never translates to offline. I would love to be proven wrong but for now the outcome of previous, comparable situations overwhelmingly point towards Snow not winning ASL. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8823 Posts
On April 09 2025 16:30 HOLYBATS wrote: No way you betrayed JD for LB! History will not forget this.  | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Ideas
United States8171 Posts
On April 09 2025 22:26 Miragee wrote: Just like everyone else here I find it really hard to predict these groups. It's not even because the Ro16 is that stacked but also because some of the usual dominant suspects have shown considerable weaknesses in the Ro24. Here's my LB: Group A: Soulkey and Barracks (mostly because Light played poorly in the Ro24 while Barracks had a strong showing) Group B: Speed and Best (this could go either way; I doubt JD will advance but if he wins his first match vs Best and faces him in the final match, who knows... Group C: Queen and Rain (no idea how good Rain is atm. but he usually need very little practice to be competitive. Bisu looked super weak but in a direct match up against Rain, anything could happen...) Group D: Snow and Hero (Mini could easily take the spot of either of the two tbh. I just think there is a distinct possiblity of Mini losing to Rush in the losers match) It's always the same and it doesn't matter with Snow. These "low stakes" online series are different. For the time being I think Snow just lacks something fundamental to take an offline tournament such as ASL. His performance in "low-stakes" online matches just never translates to offline. I would love to be proven wrong but for now the outcome of previous, comparable situations overwhelmingly point towards Snow not winning ASL. to be fair he DID make the finals twice before but then lost to essentially the best vP players in the scene at the time (flash and rain). But it's been a few years now, and he definitely underperforms given his offline stats. You can definitely go back to some of his previous ASL matches and see how he's choking or just unprepared for a BoX series. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8823 Posts
On April 09 2025 23:46 TornadoSteve wrote: Since prosatan decided to bet against the dong, i will go ahead and vote for Speed and JD Steve, I swear I want you to be right !! | ||
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prosatan
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G5
United States2921 Posts
Soulkey / Barracks Sharp / Speed Queen / Bisu SnOw / Mini But who knows. All of these groups can go so many ways. | ||
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Artas1984
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Group B: Best & JD. Hard group to call. All of these guys are kinda below top tier. Best over JD given their recent SOOP duel performance. Speed and Sharp are kinda 50/50, and that's only based on how much Speed is grinding and how much did he improve over the last 2 years. Technically speaking Sharp and Speed are superior to JD in mechanics, and can take him down no problem, but if JD keeps his game in top form based on is decision making, attention and preparation, he should beat them. Group C: Queen & Rain. I have no idea what is Rain's current form, but he is the best protoss is ASL/KSL history, so you can not count him out no mater what. Bisu looks seriously washed up and that is not just cause of his recent performance vs. Baxter. From what i have seen lately, the guy is lacking concentration and control on the battlefield, often not tracking his units all the time and having attention god knows where. This is the worst Bisu i have seen in many years. Perhaps 36 years of age does mean something. Action does not impress me with his decision making - i have seen some wanky games from him lately. Queen looks solid AF. To me he looks like a favorite to win ASL. Group D: Hero & Snow. This has to be one of the top 3 most "deadly groups of death" i have ever seen in ASL R16. Easy group to predict despite that. Hero will plow Mini, Snow will plow Rush. Hero will beat Snow. Mini vs. Rush - does not matter - whoever wins will get stomped by Snow. Snow's PvP at this point in time i would rank even ahead of Rain's. It's also his best matchup (not PvT like you all think). Let's see how it goes. Rooting for JD to win ASL (bottom low chances to say the least, but IDK, i must support my dong no mater what odds). | ||
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TornadoSteve
1113 Posts
On April 09 2025 22:03 goody153 wrote: Honestly I wonder how Group D typically ends up the group of death in ASL. Is it just picking order why this happens ? Like Group D gets the unwanted players most of the time Well... That make sense. | ||
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goody153
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Apparently Hero wanted to go to Group D just to shake up the protosses. That's interesting | ||
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DropBear
Australia4403 Posts
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ThunderJunk
United States730 Posts
My heart is with Bisu, Snow, Mini, and Queen. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Mini took a bite out of hero's fuckin FACE. Mini looking SOOOOooooOOOooOOOO handsome. My God what a baller. It's neck-snappin time. Light a candle and get your depends on. | ||
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zelevin
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