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It's about 51% players quit game immediately

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SCRVN
Profile Joined June 2024
112 Posts
February 07 2025 00:57 GMT
#1
Because they see mmr of enemy.

If mmr is too high/low compare to player, they will quit game immediately.

Just hide mmr of people like season 1 in 2017.

For me, I lost so much games to higher mmr players because of their mmr, it's not skill. We can not play well when we have to face to better players, it's not fair.
starcraft remasteredvn | Other StarCraft Tournaments
CicadaSC
Profile Joined January 2018
United States1836 Posts
February 07 2025 04:09 GMT
#2
That wouldn't fix anything. It's also ping, smurfing, matchup, countless reasons.
Remember that we all come from a place of passion!!
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3417 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-07 04:18:39
February 07 2025 04:14 GMT
#3
On February 07 2025 09:57 SCRVN wrote:
Because they see mmr of enemy.

If mmr is too high/low compare to player, they will quit game immediately.

Just hide mmr of people like season 1 in 2017.

For me, I lost so much games to higher mmr players because of their mmr, it's not skill. We can not play well when we have to face to better players, it's not fair.


You d lose the same if the MMR was hidden? Or are you saying you leave anytime you face a higher MMR? If so you re essentially smurfing, that's stupid.

Ladder is competitive, it s not meant to be fair. It s meant to give you an opponent quickly "within your range". Now because there are few players and the range + geographical limitations + the instant you search vs when other people search + the map vetoes you likely match +/-200MMR 95% of the time and the other 5% could be wild (very wild sometimes).

You can't play better when you face better players? That seems wrong. But if you genuinely cant it means you can't improve and so you shouldn't ladder. Play custom games instead, it s a fine and fun way to play. You can even make friends more easily and even practice together in a more controlled/fair way that any ladder system could ever give you.

PS: i m gonna need to see some data to back up your 51% claim
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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2295 Posts
February 07 2025 04:30 GMT
#4
lots of koreans dodge foreigners...

facing better players is the main reason there is a ladder... the higher u go u play stronger dudes, thats the point.

if u wanna noob stomp all day go play melee games.
StarCraft & Audax Italiano.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3088 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-07 11:57:26
February 07 2025 11:56 GMT
#5
I actually like the idea of not showing mmr at the beginning. With that you won't go into the game with a preconception of "this guy is way better than me I have no chance" or "this guy sucks it's a waste of time" or "I hate this guy he's an unranked smurf", which will likely affect your decision making in the game. It will also prevent a portion of instant leavers.

Then at the end of the game the mmr is displayed so you can know you just beat an S rank or lose to a B rank player.
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1658 Posts
February 07 2025 13:19 GMT
#6
If MMR is such a mental blocker just don't look at it during match making.
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1039 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-07 14:47:00
February 07 2025 14:43 GMT
#7
its really largely ping related. Most of the playerbase being korean means lot of leavers. some of em are mmr related.
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SCRVN
Profile Joined June 2024
112 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-07 14:56:41
February 07 2025 14:49 GMT
#8
I never leave all my games. How I play to +/- 500 mmr to me in the same way. So I respect to everyone include normal, smurf, cheat, hack, bm players

I never veto any maps. So I respect map makers and map is one of the great things I like in the game.

But I am unconfident when I have to face to better players. It's just no chance for me even I do anything I can.

Do you know why FlaSh took so much champion titles? Because he always uses his nickname (FlaSh) at all tournament/league. How about if FlaSh and his opponents use be unnamed to compete? RuBy used to quit immediately while countdown a game in the match he vs FlaSh (Proleague).

51% is a number that I guess, if you have an account with 1550 mmr, you will guess a bigger number.

Finally, using a hand to hide mmr at coutdowning is so dumb actually.
starcraft remasteredvn | Other StarCraft Tournaments
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8144 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-07 15:19:39
February 07 2025 15:19 GMT
#9
Do we have a teamliquid BW discord? would love to use it to matchmake with folks in NA for better ping (and avoid people dropping out immediately etc), not really caring about ladder ranking points.
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Volka
Profile Joined December 2010
Argentina410 Posts
February 07 2025 15:52 GMT
#10
I would be in favor of having a 'zen' mode like in lichess to hide rank and MMR. But at this point we are lucky if the map pool gets updated regularly. Still, you will have a lot of quitters because of lag, and mirror matchups. And you can't do anything about smurfs.

Close your eyes during the countdown.
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rtyrt7
Profile Joined August 2018
48 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-07 16:23:06
February 07 2025 16:19 GMT
#11
You can make a feature suggestion at:
https://klauncher.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=Bulletin

They will most likely consider implementing it as a feature if there's more supporters in the thread.

Where kLauncher is an antihack tool for SC:R. You can also see it present with some of the players in the games Artosis casts.

Here's how kLauncher looks like:
https://klauncher.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=klauncher



In the video there's the older version of it, which I miss, because you would have an interface for messaging everyone in a really easy way. I don't know why they removed it.
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3417 Posts
February 07 2025 17:18 GMT
#12
On February 07 2025 23:49 SCRVN wrote:
I never leave all my games. How I play to +/- 500 mmr to me in the same way. So I respect to everyone include normal, smurf, cheat, hack, bm players

I never veto any maps. So I respect map makers and map is one of the great things I like in the game.

But I am unconfident when I have to face to better players. It's just no chance for me even I do anything I can.

Do you know why FlaSh took so much champion titles? Because he always uses his nickname (FlaSh) at all tournament/league. How about if FlaSh and his opponents use be unnamed to compete? RuBy used to quit immediately while countdown a game in the match he vs FlaSh (Proleague).

51% is a number that I guess, if you have an account with 1550 mmr, you will guess a bigger number.

Finally, using a hand to hide mmr at coutdowning is so dumb actually.


Ok then it is my bad i didnt understand the first time. So yes based on that, hiding MMR would be fine if toggable. Probably would have little impact on leavers but at least psychologically it could help you.
It can display at the end instead. Isn't it what sc2 does? (No idea). A launcher feature for it would be neat and probably your best bet.

No idea what you're trying to say with Flash though ^^
Horang2 fan
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26136 Posts
February 08 2025 13:38 GMT
#13
I think there’s a gap between what I think people should do and what they actually do.

I think folks should give it their shot and play out games as best they can and not have it affect their game.

If it does, and makes the ladder experience worse well, suppose we gotta deal with that. I don’t even know if this a particular issue to be fair.

Like I think it’s pretty daft that in many modern games I play more and more and more information is being taken away to try to mitigate ‘ladder anxiety’ or its equivalents.

But if it’s the best solution versus people insta-leaving games, or not laddering at all or whatever, well I suppose I just gotta suck that up.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada427 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-11 09:01:46
February 11 2025 09:00 GMT
#14
On February 08 2025 22:38 WombaT wrote:

I think folks should give it their shot and play out games as best they can and not have it affect their game.



Very well said.

This is basically the mentality I adopted from watching Dewalt's stream. I once exclaimed in chat "Wow, Dewalt vs. Light!
Imagine playing vs. Light...I would be terrified!
"

He replied in a way that really stuck with me:

"But why should we imagine? Just play."
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
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