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United States1655 Posts
On November 19 2007 05:38 NonY[rC] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2007 05:27 SigrUn wrote:On November 19 2007 05:16 Thegreatbeyond wrote:
I'm sorry, but this was so different from Gom 1 TV MSL, you guys just never get it do you? Oh and ambitious, your not a Bisu fan at all, your just not understanding or just using whatver reasoning you have to satisfy your Bisu hate, and your Mind dick sucking urges, seriously shut up. Lol? Care to explain? If you ran Gom 1 TV MSL finals 100 times, Bisu would win an overwhelming majority of them. If you ran Gom 3 TV MSL finals 100 times, Bisu would likely win a majority of them. That is the opinion of TL.net's best analysts. The evidence is gathered by looking at how the games were won and what the game turning events were. If you can't understand this, then you should make yourself content with only reading tl.net and not posting here.
Bisu might not have played as well as he normally does, but just because Mind got "lucky" with positions, mines, and build orders doesn't take away from his play.
Saying that Bisu would have won a majority of games if they played 100 times is just stupid. He obviously wasn't in top form and lost the MSL and that's that. Bisu still has the chance for revenge next season and hopefully we'll be able to see him perform at his best.
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Braavos36402 Posts
On November 19 2007 05:55 SigrUn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2007 05:38 NonY[rC] wrote:On November 19 2007 05:27 SigrUn wrote:On November 19 2007 05:16 Thegreatbeyond wrote:
I'm sorry, but this was so different from Gom 1 TV MSL, you guys just never get it do you? Oh and ambitious, your not a Bisu fan at all, your just not understanding or just using whatver reasoning you have to satisfy your Bisu hate, and your Mind dick sucking urges, seriously shut up. Lol? Care to explain? If you ran Gom 1 TV MSL finals 100 times, Bisu would win an overwhelming majority of them. If you ran Gom 3 TV MSL finals 100 times, Bisu would likely win a majority of them. That is the opinion of TL.net's best analysts. The evidence is gathered by looking at how the games were won and what the game turning events were. If you can't understand this, then you should make yourself content with only reading tl.net and not posting here. Bisu might not have played as well as he normally does, but just because Mind got "lucky" with positions, mines, and build orders doesn't take away from his play. Saying that Bisu would have won a majority of games if they played 100 times is just stupid. He obviously wasn't in top form and lost the MSL and that's that. Bisu still has the chance for revenge next season and hopefully we'll be able to see him perform at his best.
Nobody is saying Mind doesn't deserve it.
But what Nony is saying isn't "just stupid." It's a good point and one worth making. Don't dismiss things just because you disagree with them.
I don't see how Bisu having a chance next season somehow makes Nony's point "just stupid" and not worth saying.
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nice flaming thread.
Go Bisu for protoss's sake!
hope you'll take this OSL. 
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4492 Posts
On November 19 2007 05:38 NonY[rC] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2007 05:27 SigrUn wrote:On November 19 2007 05:16 Thegreatbeyond wrote:
I'm sorry, but this was so different from Gom 1 TV MSL, you guys just never get it do you? Oh and ambitious, your not a Bisu fan at all, your just not understanding or just using whatver reasoning you have to satisfy your Bisu hate, and your Mind dick sucking urges, seriously shut up. Lol? Care to explain? If you ran Gom 1 TV MSL finals 100 times, Bisu would win an overwhelming majority of them. If you ran Gom 3 TV MSL finals 100 times, Bisu would likely win a majority of them. That is the opinion of TL.net's best analysts. The evidence is gathered by looking at how the games were won and what the game turning events were. If you can't understand this, then you should make yourself content with only reading tl.net and not posting here.
Haha. Not sure who those "best analysts" are, but they obviously don't like Mind all that much
Or just Protoss users?
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United States1655 Posts
On November 19 2007 07:00 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2007 05:55 SigrUn wrote:On November 19 2007 05:38 NonY[rC] wrote:On November 19 2007 05:27 SigrUn wrote:On November 19 2007 05:16 Thegreatbeyond wrote:
I'm sorry, but this was so different from Gom 1 TV MSL, you guys just never get it do you? Oh and ambitious, your not a Bisu fan at all, your just not understanding or just using whatver reasoning you have to satisfy your Bisu hate, and your Mind dick sucking urges, seriously shut up. Lol? Care to explain? If you ran Gom 1 TV MSL finals 100 times, Bisu would win an overwhelming majority of them. If you ran Gom 3 TV MSL finals 100 times, Bisu would likely win a majority of them. That is the opinion of TL.net's best analysts. The evidence is gathered by looking at how the games were won and what the game turning events were. If you can't understand this, then you should make yourself content with only reading tl.net and not posting here. Bisu might not have played as well as he normally does, but just because Mind got "lucky" with positions, mines, and build orders doesn't take away from his play. Saying that Bisu would have won a majority of games if they played 100 times is just stupid. He obviously wasn't in top form and lost the MSL and that's that. Bisu still has the chance for revenge next season and hopefully we'll be able to see him perform at his best. Nobody is saying Mind doesn't deserve it. But what Nony is saying isn't "just stupid." It's a good point and one worth making. Don't dismiss things just because you disagree with them. I don't see how Bisu having a chance next season somehow makes Nony's point "just stupid" and not worth saying.
I'm not dismissing it- it just isn't logical to say something like that. I could claim that if Savior played Bisu 100 times in GOM 1 that Savior might've been able to win a majority of times but what does that even mean? I could also say that "the evidence" was from analysts who watched how Bisu won the games and what the game turning events were, but Savior lost and that's final.
It might be consoling to the fans to think that if the players played a Bo100 their favorite player would win, but what I'm trying to get at is that the games have been played and it doesn't matter what could have been or what would be in a theoretical situation.
And I say that Bisu has a chance next season because it's true. I was only disagreeing with Nony's part about using the Bo100 as part of the argument.
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On November 19 2007 04:52 Try wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2007 04:48 grobo wrote:
How can you not like someone like that? when he has no personality watsoever. and speaks like a computer/drone.
are you fucking kidding me?
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On November 19 2007 05:18 GTR-2-Go wrote:
I heard Bisu left DOM Art Hall crying.
So he doesn't get my respect back until he wins this OSL.
wtf...source?
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Before Bisu loss there were like 3-4 or 'hardcore ' Bisu haters... and now AFTER the loss... so many :D... I don't get it why you have to hate somebody?! If you like Bisu or Mind than cheer for one or the other and get over it! Be happy that both of them provided us with some good matches. I think people who hate some player are a little bit insecure in the capabilities of their favorite player and try to 'help' with this stupid hate against other players. Just because Bisu lost his 3rd final is not suddenly making him a bad player and it's normal that Mind won in part because Bisu made mistakes or didn't played at full capacity. But that's how all the games go. The players who makes less mistakes wins. So let's cheer for both of them or if you're really fanatic about someone cheer for him but please stop this hate thing!
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I would expect nothing less than a whitewash of this OSL to make up for it from Bisu. Particularly given I don't see anyone except possibly Stork as a player with a good chance over Bisu in the OSL (This of course assumes the loss means Bisu becomes even more motivated.)
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Stegosaur
Netherlands1231 Posts
Very nice thing to do of him, throwing the fans a bone like that =) I never really cared for Bisu (besides the fact he's the obvious dominant player right now) but little things like this make SC that more fun to follow.
GL Bruce Lee toss!
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mind is so boring all the bonjwas fall asleep
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On November 19 2007 07:03 Mynock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2007 05:38 NonY[rC] wrote:On November 19 2007 05:27 SigrUn wrote:On November 19 2007 05:16 Thegreatbeyond wrote:
I'm sorry, but this was so different from Gom 1 TV MSL, you guys just never get it do you? Oh and ambitious, your not a Bisu fan at all, your just not understanding or just using whatver reasoning you have to satisfy your Bisu hate, and your Mind dick sucking urges, seriously shut up. Lol? Care to explain? If you ran Gom 1 TV MSL finals 100 times, Bisu would win an overwhelming majority of them. If you ran Gom 3 TV MSL finals 100 times, Bisu would likely win a majority of them. That is the opinion of TL.net's best analysts. The evidence is gathered by looking at how the games were won and what the game turning events were. If you can't understand this, then you should make yourself content with only reading tl.net and not posting here. Haha. Not sure who those "best analysts" are, but they obviously don't like Mind all that much Or just Protoss users?
I'm a Terran player who has a lot of respect for Mind and his MSL run, and I still recognize the points at which fairly amateurish mistakes cost Bisu all three of the games he lost. It's entirely reasonable to come to this conclusion without bias, the games speak for themselves.
People saying that Bisu made mistakes he is expected not to make doesn't have to mean that the poster thinks Mind is undeserving or a bad player.
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Technically anyone giving an opinion on a match can be called an analyst, but I deem the people with the most evidence and the best arguments as the best analysts. I haven't seen a good argument from anyone saying that Bisu played his best but Mind played better. The good arguments have been saying that Bisu had a bad day and Mind didn't demonstrate any ability that other top Terrans don't already possess. And aside from the good arguments, I've seen knowledgable posters write 1 liners that are in line with the same opinion.
Nobody has come close to convincing me that Mind would have won that Bo5 more often than Bisu if it were run 100 times. I don't know how the events in game 1 and game 3 could be twisted to support that claim. At best, someone could make an argument based on Bisu's history that the finals were an example of a trend from Bisu that we've been seeing build for a while now. However that's absolutely not the case as Bisu has shown consistently solid play when the pressure is on.
In any case, Mynock, you're calling the validity of my use of 'best analysts' into question. So if you'd like to support that there have been better analyses posted by better analysts whose conclusions are contrary to my own, go ahead. Perhaps I've just overlooked them.
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I think bisu made some horrible moves
wheither it will continue we`ll just have to wait and see, I don`t think so but it might
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btw I think that was the first bo5 bisu has ever lost if Im not mistaken
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Braavos36402 Posts
On November 19 2007 08:36 NonY[rC] wrote:
Technically anyone giving an opinion on a match can be called an analyst, but I deem the people with the most evidence and the best arguments as the best analysts. I haven't seen a good argument from anyone saying that Bisu played his best but Mind played better. The good arguments have been saying that Bisu had a bad day and Mind didn't demonstrate any ability that other top Terrans don't already possess. And aside from the good arguments, I've seen knowledgable posters write 1 liners that are in line with the same opinion.
Nobody has come close to convincing me that Mind would have won that Bo5 more often than Bisu if it were run 100 times. I don't know how the events in game 1 and game 3 could be twisted to support that claim. At best, someone could make an argument based on Bisu's history that the finals were an example of a trend from Bisu that we've been seeing build for a while now. However that's absolutely not the case as Bisu has shown consistently solid play when the pressure is on.
In any case, Mynock, you're calling the validity of my use of 'best analysts' into question. So if you'd like to support that there have been better analyses posted by better analysts whose conclusions are contrary to my own, go ahead. Perhaps I've just overlooked them.
I wouldn't take Mynock too seriously, he's just as much a Terran fanboy as he claims others are Protoss fanboys. You guys can go in circles of internet argumentation, I'd advise to just ignore him.
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=) hope is restored
btw notice he posted this half past midnight. im dissapointed as much as he should be dissapointed knowing that he could have played much better.
well like he said there are more chances =D
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Bisu you aint coming back. Savior is ^^
P.S. I think Hwasin showed a lot more stronger TvP than Mind did. Maybe Im wrong but that's something I did notice
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